Even Al Jazeera's answered my question

[basketcase]

but gryf still avoids it.

Al Jazeera admits unethical coverage of Israel's release of Samir Kuntar
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009383.html

The Al Jazeera television station admitted Wednesday that its coverage of Israel's release of convicted Lebanese terrorist Samir Kuntar violated the station's own code of ethics. The admission came in response to a threat by Israel's Government Press Office to boycott the satellite channel unless it apologized.

In an official letter, a copy of which was obtained by Haaretz, Al Jazeera's general director, Khanfar Wadah, wrote that "elements of the program" broadcast in Kuntar's honor on the night of Saturday, July 19, "violated [the station's] Code of Ethics," and he "regards these violations as very serious."

He also said he had ordered the channel's programming director to take steps to ensure that such an incident does not recur.

The boycott threat was issued by the director of the GPO, Danny Seaman, in response to a program broadcast from Lebanon that covered the welcome-home festivities for Kuntar. In it, the head of Al Jazeera's Beirut office, Ghassan bin Jiddo, heaped praises on Kuntar, for instance by calling him a "pan-Arab hero."
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This is not the first time Israel has protested Al Jazeera's coverage, but for its protests to result in an apology is unusual.

Just to ask again,

Do you support or condemn the Palestinian hero worship for those who kill Israeli citizens

Do you support or condemn the killing of Israeli citizens?.

 

[scouser1]

I am not really that surprised despite what the neo con crowd who is Arabic is limited to shawarma and falafel will tell you, Al Jazeera is the only Arabic language station that frequently has Israeli politicians interviewed and to openly express their views

 

[assoholic]

..I condem all the killing, Israeli killing Palestinian just as
much as Palestinian killing Israeli.
And I do not give a shit how it is done.
"Accidentally" as suppossedly when the Isreali's
luanch a missile from a helicopter killing every-one
around the target.
Or by a suicide bomber.
It is morally the same,and as long as the Isaeli's kill,
so they should be killed.
In case you did not notice, way more Palestinians get
killed in a year then Israeli's.

 

[basketcase]

I agree that they are the most reliable and least radical Arabic news station. This story shows that they obviously they have room for improvement though (and it seems that events like the Kuntar celebration must have a market).

 

[basketcase]

Assoholic, thanks for being one of the few to answer the question even if it wasn't directed at you.

I have no problem with disagreements, as long as they are from a consistent set of morals. Those who refuse to allow themselves understand the 'other side' are the ones who simplify the issue to say only one side is to blame.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is an extremely deep one and wrongs have been committed by the Israelis, Palestinians, Arab states, and all the superpowers that have stuck their fingers in the pie for their own benefit. Even though I have more sympathy for the Israelis in general, I have no problem admitting when they are wrong. My main beef here is when individuals like the one who refuses to answer my question blindly assign blame based on their irrational hatreds.

 

[assoholic]

..why do you think they have been killing each other for the last 50 years?
because the fanatics on both sides refuse to let the majorities in their
communities have voice.
Easy to say more Palestinians or Arabs should just stand up
condem suicide bombings.
We are not the one's who my end in in a Police station being beaten.
Or an Israeli to stand up and admit Israel is oppressing the Palestinian's,
and face being treated as a traitor.
You either condem terrorism.
The use of terror to achieve political aims.
Or you do not.
Regardless of whether the perpetrator is the US, Israel or Palestinian.
Killing is killing.

 

[DATYdude]

Or an Israeli to stand up and admit Israel is oppressing the Palestinian's,
and face being treated as a traitor.

If you know anything about Israel you would know that many many Israelis do regularly stand up and admit that Israel is oppressing the Palestinians. Israel has at least one very vocal human rights organization and I don't know that its members are regarded as traitors by mainstream Israelis. I know quite a few Israelis, most of them are more or less on the "left", and I don't know any of them who think Israel isn't oppressing the Palestinians.

I also don't know a single one that thinks it would be better to just do nothing in the face of armed militias and suicide bombings. I would say that many Israelis who once believed that real peace was possible with the Palestinians are no longer sure. It's very sad.

 

[gryfin]

This might put some perspective on events.

http://www.rememberthesechildren.org/remember2008.html

 

[basketcase]

There are many (many, many) places where political use of terror is accepted in ways that in Canada we could hardly conceive. Here it is a travesty that a teen was subjected to sleep deprivation. In many other places, prisoners would wish that was the extent of their treatment, often for things as simple as belonging to the wrong family, walking in the wrong place or being given the 'wrong' classification by a colonial power.

If it wasn't for the other political issues, Israel's behaviour would rank somewhere between countries like South Korea and the Ukraine yet their bad actions are repeatedly all over the news. We hear pretty much nothing about rights in Russia, reports on Saudi Arabia get glossed over, rare mention of 100's killed in Lebanon, and only enough on Darfur for the general public to have some sense that there is trouble there.

Some of the posters here ONLY post about Israel in any way they can spin as negative, often using the stories from Israelis who oppose the occupation as proof of Israel's evil (and despite your claims, there are many Israelis who openly oppose their country's actions and are not declared traitors - Ha'aretz is a prime example). They will post endlessly about one Palestinian death at Israeli hands yet are silent about the hundreds of Palestinians that the Lebanese army killed and the 10's of thousands they've displaced (into other camps where they are allowed very limited rights.

I could accept a poster like gryfin if he at any point criticized the actions of countries besides Israel (and the US) and showed anything approaching consistent morals.

The exclusive criticism of Israel makes it clear that it is not out of any compassion for the suffering of the Palestinian people but merely petty hatred.

 

[assoholic]

..I do not know much about the Israeli political parties.
However, my guess it is like the American system,
with little difference on the big issues.
Just a different spin.
All with the same paymasters.

 

[basketcase]

Actually the Israeli system is more like a European system; too many parties for one to rule without coalitions. The parties are extremely diverse representing pretty much every viewpoint (they even have a registered marijuana party). Wikipedia has it at 12 different parties holding seats with some of them being alliances of smaller parties. Kadima which Olmert leads holds only 29 seats out of 120. There are also two Arab parties holding seats, one "Jewish-Arab" party as well as Arabs holding prominent positions in the two biggest parties.

 

[gryfin]

Actually the Israeli system is more like a European system; too many parties for one to rule without coalitions. The parties are extremely diverse representing pretty much every viewpoint (they even have a registered marijuana party). Wikipedia has it at 12 different parties holding seats with some of them being alliances of smaller parties. Kadima which Olmert leads holds only 29 seats out of 120. There are also two Arab parties holding seats, one "Jewish-Arab" party as well as Arabs holding prominent positions in the two biggest parties.

European systems don't allow racists to the extent that the Israeli system does. Very few systems do.

 

[basketcase]

Please explain all the 'nationalist' parties that run in Europe?

You might also explain how the Palestinian political process has been functioning recently using violence instead of debates. When was the last time Israeli parties were running around the streets killing each other?

Besides that,

Do you support or condemn the Palestinian hero worship for those who kill Israeli citizens and do you support or condemn the killing of Israeli citizens?

 

[Enonymouse]

...don't allow racists to the extent that the Israeli system does. Very few systems do.

Iran does....their leader openly says he wants to obliterate Israel and the jews.

I'm betting he's a no-good mother f'n Muslim....

 

[Enonymouse]

This might put some perspective on events.

http://www.rememberthesechildren.org/remember2008.html

Looks like the good guys have better shots ! At least the good guys are winning.

You might want to give this a watch:

http://multimedia.heritage.org/content/wm/Lehrman-092706a.wvx


This is the truth of what has happened in the middle east. The Muslims destroyed Lebanon....are trying to destroy Isreal...and have the western nations on thier radar....all in the name of Peace...and Allah ...the pedofile.

 

[basketcase]

Thanks mouse but all that your posts accomplish is show that you are just the opposite side of the gryfin coin.

 

[gryfin]

Thanks mouse but all that your posts accomplish is show that you are just the opposite side of the gryfin coin.

You have to admit, you do attract flies.

But his sources are no different than you rely on. Like MEMRI, CAMERA, and all the sites run by Itamar Marcus.

 

[basketcase]

To clarify for SA

Gryfin, do you support or condemn the Palestinian hero worship for those who kill Israeli citizens (not active combatants) and do you support or condemn the killing of Israeli citizens(not active combatants)?

 

[gryfin]

To clarify for SA

http://www.rememberthesechildren.org/remember2008.html

72 Palestinian children dead at the hands of the IDF in 2008.
How many Israeli children? 4.

59 Palestinian children dead at the hands of the IDF in 2007.
How many Israeli children? 1.

139 Palestinian children dead at the hands of the IDF in 2006.
How many Israeli children? 2.

56 Palestinian children dead at the hands of the IDF in 2005.
How many Israeli children? 6.

188 Palestinian children dead at the hands of the IDF in 2004.
How many Israeli children? 8.

 

[basketcase]

Gryfin, do you support or condemn the Palestinian hero worship for those who kill Israeli citizens and do you support or condemn the killing of Israeli citizens