engagement ring advice
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If you are about to spend your life with a women who demands that you give her a conspicious down payment for future companionship be prepaired to to pay and pay for the rest of your life. Marriages of this type are nothing more than long term prostitution deals. Spending three months salary on a ring is only the begining of a lifetime of emotional and monitary flushing that will suck the life out of you, and leave you a castrated puddle in a dark street somewhere. Reject marriage, live well, have many friends, lovers, be free and do what you want. Don't let fucked up cultural pressures force you into that torture chamber called marriage. Go see the Roman Polanski movie "Bitter Moon". Its a great example of how relationships destroy the humanity in people. Dont bother with the fake diamonds, its not a deal. It just means that you want to buy into the lie but can't afford it.
Meister said:
That's what I was thinking after reading markvee's links.
So basically he's giving the love of his life a material that is most commonly used in heavy industry.
I know what else he can do:
When she wants a nice dress or something to wear out for a night on the town, he can get her a set of tyvek overalls!!
Instead of a pair of serengetti sunglasses, a pair of $3.00 safety glasses
Instead of a pair of manolo's, some of those paper booties CSI wears.
Instead of a second car, he can get her one of those grey rubbermaid garbage carts!
Instead of a nice salon haircut, give her a bowl and a pair of scissors!
Hell, this guy's chick is the luckiest woman on earth!
Good God almighty.
Get the real thing. It is not worth the aggrevation of getting outed on something like this. She, as was mentioned earlier; will break your balls til the end of days.
Some women live for their wedding days a fake, chemically identical etc...etc...ring is not the real thing. And if and when she finds out, it is not worth the grief.
Get the real thing. It is not worth the aggrevation of getting outed on something like this. She, as was mentioned earlier; will break your balls til the end of days.
Some women live for their wedding days a fake, chemically identical etc...etc...ring is not the real thing. And if and when she finds out, it is not worth the grief.
Strongbeau said:
What they want is to show off to their friends and play sick and twisted competitive games. If she has to explain that the industrial gem-quality thing is actually in some nerdy way superior to the... blah blah, her friends by now are smirking and waving around their big expensive REAL diamonds and she feels bad. She sees you later that day and she's pissed off and you have no idea why and she won't tell you.
The whole diamond thing is a trap. If you don't spend a big sum on her ring, her friends have a bigger ring than she does, and she's unhappy; but no matter how much you spend, someone will always outspend you--or have found a better place to buy diamonds, or whatever. No matter how much money you have, someone else has more. The fact that the diamonds are 3x or 10x overpriced because of a cartel is just salt rubbed in the wound.
The ONLY way to escape this, in my opinion, is to avoid diamond rings. Take three months of salary to a good jeweller and buy some other kind of ring that does not have a diamond. For that much money, sans the diamond, the ring will be a seriously kick-ass ring.
Your wife can then show off her incredible ring to others, and no-one can ever trump her with a bigger diamond.
Of course, you have to persuade her of this, and, obviously, it is NOT a way to save money, only a way to avoid giving money unnecessarily to an evil cartel.
fuji said:
I'm not disagreeing with this advice (a nice diamondless-ring) but has anyone actually successfully pulled this off? Without any repercussions? (Like, you'll have to buy her a diamond ring later?)
99% of the women I know get a strange look in their eyes when the subject of diamonds comes up.
Wanna see the look? Sit your S.O. down and say, "I was thinking of buying you a diamond..."
I'm not quite sure how well it would go if you finished with "...but how about a nice diamond-less ring instead?"
God I was lucky. My wife's Grandmother put something in my one day. I looked down and saw a diamond ring. She smiled at me and said don't let me down. I asked my wife to marry me a week later. ( We had been living together for 3 years).
Talk to your "future wife" and discuss the topic. If you can't talk about this openly with her don't get married. Your not ready.
Talk to your "future wife" and discuss the topic. If you can't talk about this openly with her don't get married. Your not ready.
blackdog said:
Amen to that!!!
This is the best piece of advice I have ever heard!!!!
Every one one of us should print this out, and refer to it twice a day, and 3 times on weekendS.
Markvee....WAKE THE F**K UP!!!
alienencounters said:
LOL now THAT'S funny.....
Sure, the whole diamond ring thing is a setup from the start but hey, us guys do ALL kinds of bizarre things to keep our ladies happy. Face it, that's the way it is and that's the way it will always be. I know there are some women who don't go for all the typical romantic things like flowers (yes, I met a woman who HATES getting flowers), I have met some who preferred an emerald instead of a diamond (I bought her a nice little one for $600.00 and she was in heaven), I also know women who prefer good old fashioned tighty whiteys instead of lingerie but hey, it is up to you to find out what kind of a lady you have.
One thing however, if she's the type that goes for the romantic stuff, and you get her an industrial diamond? Plain and simple: you're fucked.
markvee said:
I am a jewelry buying novice, and this is what I have learned so far.
Here is a good summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond
http://diamondnexuslabs.com/ sells diamond simulants, which are not really diamonds, hence the low price of $194 for a 1.03 Carat diamond on a ring. These are words to watch out for:
diamond simulant
diamond imitation
cubic zirconia
moissanite
The thing I am interested in is man made (also known as cultured or synthetic) diamond in gem form. There are 2 techniques for making synthetic diamond: High Pressure, High Temperature (HPHT) and Chemical Vapor Deposition (CVD).
Here are the companies I have found that make synthetic diamond:
A) High Pressure High Temperature HPHT method:
1) http://www.gemesis.com/ sold by
http://www.wdcgroup.com in Vancouver
WDC (Waldman Diamond Company) Canada
525 Seymour St. Suite 506
Vancouver, B.C. V6B 3H7, Canada
Tel: 604-602-4367
Toll-free: 1-866-393-4372
Fax: 604-602-4360
2) http://www.adiadiamonds.com/ sold by
http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/ in Battlecreek MI
e-mail: info@pearlmansjewelers.com
phone toll free: 888.811.1529
local phone number: 269.963.1529
fax number: 269.963.4751
address:
46 West Michigan Avenue
Battle Creek, Michigan
49017
hours: Monday - Friday 10 am - 5:30 pm EST
Saturday 10:00 a.m. - 3:00 p.m. Nov. 25 - Dec. 23
Otherwise By appointment
3) http://www.newagediamonds.com/ in Russia
Office 232, Fl 2
Lermontovsky Pr. 43/1,
St-Petersburg, Russia
Phone: + 7 812 740 2832
US Toll Free: +1 888 623 4 973
B) Chemical Vapor Deposition (CVD):
1) http://www.apollodiamond.com/ in Boston
The only site that I can find so far that lists inventory is here:
http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/
In terms of synthetic diamonds, they are out of stock of white diamonds, but a 0.47-0.66ct round blue diamond can be had for $2,327-$5,148:
http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/diamond-search.php?cat=AD&view=table&sort=&shape=B&color%5B%5D=B&page=&carat_low=0.46&carat_high=0.69
By comparison from the same site, a 0.70-0.72ct round white diamond of the same clarity can be had for $2,084-$2,895:
http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/diamond-search.php?cat=TC&view=table&sort=&carat_low=0.70&carat_high=0.99&page=&price_low=2000&price_high=2999
A price of $2,000-$4,000 seems reasonable, but I think I should be able to find a dealer that sells the synthetics at a lower price than the mined variety.
Information on specific deals is appreciated.
Thanks everyone for the advice, especially Strongbeau for the advice to buy the stone and ring separately to avoid taxation at the border.
asn said:
There are a ton of variables that determine the value of a diamond. For eg: if a 3 ct diamond has a big flaw in the middle, they would probably opt to cut many smaller, better quality diamonds around the flaw.
For eg: you can spend $60K on a 1 ct diamond but it would most likely be a vvsi, colour M and perfect clarity.
