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Electrician As A Career?

dman44

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From these comments, it appears that I was right; an electrician is an excellent trade to go into. However, I also get the impression that my opportunity has passed. I am probably too old to start in this field(I am fortyish).
Maybe you should look into getting your gas tickets. I also have that (g2 going for g1 in sept) and during our slow season (winter time theres no work for ac and refrigeration) we do all boiler maintenance furnaces all kinds of gas stuff. It keeps us busy usually 12 months of the year nvm the service we also pick up.

Your g3/g2 will take u five months if u take a a course at himark.ca
at george brown and other schools will take you 2-3 years
 

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Some other skilled trades are as follows. They all make around $50/hour (including pension & benefits for the major construction unions like the IBEW). Electricians and Plumbers are the most well known trades but there are many others that pay just as well. So if being electrocuted really bothers you, look into the other trades. All have apprenticeship programs, usually union-based. From what I've heard it's a lot harder to get into the trades if you're not willing to be in a union (though not impossible).

If I had to pick a skilled trade starting out, I'd pick one where I could put my union card "in my shoe" and work non-union on my own (because you'll be responsible for finding your own work in slow times) so I could supplement my income. In other words, your day job would be working in industrial/construction and at night or on weekends you could be working for your friends/neighbors and/or running your own private business on the side.

Be aware that there are pros and cons to working in industrial vs. construction. Industrial can tie you to a specific workplace for longer (if not permanently) whereas construction can take you all over the province and you're constantly moving from job to job as each finishes. Neither option is mutually exclusive. Sometimes people are willing to take less pay to work in a specific workplace for longer periods of time (i.e., job security). Be aware that working in the trades can be tough when the economy takes a dump (e.g., the early '90s), but all indications are that we will (continue to) have a significant shortage of skilled trades for the next generation. In some respects it's downright scary how big the shortage will be when compared to the coming infrastructure projects.

Boilermaker
Carpenters/Drywall
Ironworkers
Millwright
Operating Engineers
Painters
Plumber/Pipefitter
Refrigeration Mechanic
Sheet Metal Worker
Roofer
 

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From these comments, it appears that I was right; an electrician is an excellent trade to go into. However, I also get the impression that my opportunity has passed. I am probably too old to start in this field(I am fortyish).
Not necessarily.
A buddy got into an electrical apprenticeship program in his mid 40s and did very well for himself as an electrician. He said that was the best move in his life.
 

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Maybe you should look into getting your gas tickets. I also have that (g2 going for g1 in sept) and during our slow season (winter time theres no work for ac and refrigeration) we do all boiler maintenance furnaces all kinds of gas stuff. It keeps us busy usually 12 months of the year nvm the service we also pick up.

Your g3/g2 will take u five months if u take a a course at himark.ca
at george brown and other schools will take you 2-3 years
Dman, I don't know what kind of work you do, but there is refrigeration work to do all year round. Judging by the things you mention in your postings, I'm assuming you do mostly residential work. And in that case, I guess you are right. However, food plants, hotels, office towers, malls, and so on all need cooling and refrigeration all year round. Having a gas ticket is almost mandatory, though. But, I would say that even in the winter, 80 percent of my work is still refrigeration-based.
 

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From these comments, it appears that I was right; an electrician is an excellent trade to go into. However, I also get the impression that my opportunity has passed. I am probably too old to start in this field(I am fortyish).
When I was a first year apprentice, there was a guy in my class who was 42. He had been working as a programmer for about 20 years and hated it. Getting out of that office environment made him extremely happy. So what if he was 42? He can still work in the trade for a good 20 years or so. There are small niche parts of certain trades that are much easier on the body. Automation and controls is one that comes to mind. Get your license in a trade, and then specialize in something less taxing on the body.
 

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You have to think about this with any trade....
Do you still want to do this when you are 50 and older?
If not is there a possibility or do you have the skills to either move into management or start your own business?

If your answer is no then stay away.
 

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Any trades success as well as yours is based on what you are willing to put into it, the more you learn the better you will be at it. I have 3 trades and just wrote and passed my 309-A ( Construction & Maintenance Electrician ). I enjoy working in the field and i am nearly 50 years old. There are many people who work in the trades and do not have a highschool education but are excellent electricians, you must be able to humble yourself and learn from anyone who wants to express an opinion. I make around $80 k a year with no side jobs or overtime but enjoy going to work everyday. If you choose a career you must enjoy it or it will be a much harder go, enjoying what you do makes the day fly by and you can earn enough money to support yourself and raise a family or hobby on TERB for many years to come

As far as electruction goes you should only work on live equipment if you are testing or troubleshooting, you are not encouraged to work live in the field anymore. They want you to lock and tag the circuit out before working on a circuit.
 

dman44

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Dman, I don't know what kind of work you do, but there is refrigeration work to do all year round. Judging by the things you mention in your postings, I'm assuming you do mostly residential work. And in that case, I guess you are right. However, food plants, hotels, office towers, malls, and so on all need cooling and refrigeration all year round. Having a gas ticket is almost mandatory, though. But, I would say that even in the winter, 80 percent of my work is still refrigeration-based.

Actually I do 100% commercial work, But resi side jobs. I'm doing a job with 40 ac's right now(commercial). Although normally at this time we would be slower. You can't get your G1 without working on commercial equipment... and i work on a lot of big scary boilers lol. But yeah, were not heavy into the refrigeration side as much anymore because not as much $$ in it. Although we do alot of packaged units, and we will do walk ins and what not. That's what I love about my job, we work on such a wide variety of shit haha.
 

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What are the typical wages for an electrician? Junior and experienced?

Coincidently, my buddy is looking for a career change: short list is electrician or a taxi driver!

My guess is they earn the roughly the same....around $50k?...maybe the electrician gets abit more after gaining more experience and the cabby has to work 60 hours a week for that.
You're joking right?

Taxi driver compared to electrician?
 

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My guess is they earn the roughly the same....around $50k?...maybe the electrician gets abit more after gaining more experience and the cabby has to work 60 hours a week for that.
No way will an electrician make the same as a cabbie.
Had a buddy who was an electrician who said the money was great (he averaged >$100K/yr) but the hours were brutal. 60 hrs/wk was the average workweek. He HAD to agree to work 3 Saturdays and 2 Sundays per month. Then there was some extra OT during the week on many occasions he HAD to be there for coverage. It was rough on his marriages. He is on wife #3....:eyebrows:

Mandatory OT was the SOP in all the trades.
 

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What's the route to becoming an electrician? highschool diploma? college? university? special school?
 

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In the US it used to be go to a tech high school then pass the apprenticeship test to become an apprentice. No college was required.
 

dman44

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70 k on paper.... you guys forget these guys are doing side jobs making 100-150$ an hour saturdays and sundays and working at nights. The reason I keep my commercial job is its guaranteed work all the time and duhhh my apprenticeship. I charge 100 bucks cash for a service call Residential furnace or A/C or boiler or water tank.. anything residential. Best case scenario its a dirty filter and takes me 5 minutes. Worst case scenario, something is really fucked in the unit that needs to be replaced. Then I make more money installing the part. I can only imagine what guys who have been doing this for 30 years are making. 100K + is definitely attainable, but it dont come easy.
 

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What's the route to becoming an electrician? highschool diploma? college? university? special school?
If you go non-union you just have to get someone to hire and register you. I don't believe even high school is required. For the union they get a lot of applicants so they can be more selective. High school is good enough but they require certain courses to have been taken and minimum marks in things like math.
 

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70 k on paper.... you guys forget these guys are doing side jobs making 100-150$ an hour saturdays and sundays and working at nights. The reason I keep my commercial job is its guaranteed work all the time and duhhh my apprenticeship. I charge 100 bucks cash for a service call Residential furnace or A/C or boiler or water tank.. anything residential. Best case scenario its a dirty filter and takes me 5 minutes. Worst case scenario, something is really fucked in the unit that needs to be replaced. Then I make more money installing the part. I can only imagine what guys who have been doing this for 30 years are making. 100K + is definitely attainable, but it dont come easy.
You charge 100 bucks an hour and you aren't even licenced? That's ballsy. What will you charge when you are a journeyman?
 

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One specialization I see in electricians is office tower and data centre work. Steady work - cabling up server racks, office relocations, etc. There are special skills in dealing with fibre testing, etc.
 

dman44

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You charge 100 bucks an hour and you aren't even licenced? That's ballsy. What will you charge when you are a journeyman?
I am licensed in equipment up to 400 000 btu(this covers all residential gas up to the meter). I have my Ozone depletion license(license to handle refrigerant), and I am a 3rd year 313 A apprentice(5 year apprenticeship). 313 D residential apprenticeship is 2 years. In the refrigeration world residential air conditioners are like a child's toy. Incredibly simple.
When im a journeyman with 313A and G1 I won't even touch residential. Those licenses are commercial licenses and anybody with them and good experience makes top dollar and has no time for residential service calls.
 

LKD

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OK... perhaps some electrician can advice me.

One of my light switches in the dining room just broke off... There is nothing I can do beside change the entire light switch. How do I go about changing this? I opened the switch housing and know that I'll have to remove and replace the entire switch.

Like how does one handle live wire or check that its been shut off etc?
 

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Wazup, you are putting everyone on the union hiring list in the same category, YOU ARE WRONG!!! You don’t even know the guy and you are chopping him up like that! You don’t know anything if that is the way you look at it! What is wrong with a career change at 40? It takes balls to change a career in mid life, my hat off to anyone who does it! I have seen guys in their 40's get into the trade and become supervisor as soon as they get their license because of their maturity and then get asked to estimate and manage projects.
Take it from someone who has been there for many years, there is allot of politics in the union, if you don’t believe that Wazup, then you are one of the suck ups that works weekends and evenings for straight time, setting us backwards from what our union brothers fought hard for, you probably break all the safety rules, maybe even a scab!! Remember lay-offs happen because a job may take 3x - 10x the manpower that the company will have on hand, so they call the union hall for more manpower. When the job is over the really good ones and the suck ups will keep their job, the remainder will go back on the hiring list; it is a bit of a tough life sometimes when you don’t gobble for your job.
Starting rate through the IBEW union (approx $18-$20/hr) is better than most average jobs out there and when you get your ticket the wage package is currently around $50/hr with awesome benefits, 10% VP, and about $40/hr on the weekly paycheque and don’t forget about making double the rate when you work overtime, I have had a few cheques come in for $2500/week after taxes, I worked one job in the 90's with heavy OT and most guys easily made over $50k by July.
Most of the construction trades pay similar, (masonry is physically very tough) but if you hook the right job in electrical such as fibre optics, fire alarms, security systems or building automation systems (BAS), the work isn’t that physically hard, but it is a speciality and you may be there till the very end of the job with allot of time inside out of the cold. New construction always starts outside. I liked hooking a new construction job in April/may and by winter the job would be closed in with heat blowing, really not as bad as some are making it sound here. And when it is cold you wear the right clothing.
Yes, there is allot of studying and the C of Q exam is not easy and the masters exam is a tough one also, and it should be that way to make sure only the capable ones succeed. Electricity can kill you in a blink of an eye. I would suggest taking an aptitude test to see if it is something you are mentally capable of doing. Get the Ohm’s law table and study the crap out of it, if you can understand Ohm’s law, then there is a possibility you can do it. Second year theory is not a walk in the park either, induction, capacitance, code books, some algebra formulas you will have to memorize.
I personally preferred construction rather than industrial plants, more diversity. In industrial you go to the same plant every day, same people, same everything, not my thing. When the construction job is over you get a fresh change of scenery. The best money was industrial construction, existing plants that are making changes, new machines, moving things around. This falls under construction and was a lot of fun and usually always inside and warm.
I got into electrical in my late teens and was licensed by 22, and I used the trade as a stepping stone to other careers in construction and if the whole economy goes to the crapper, I still have a trade ticket in my pocket that is worth a minimum of $50k per year. Dad always said there is nothing better than a trade to fall back on! Call the union hall for more info. Good Luck!!
 
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