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Eight years of Obama made America great, where will the economy be in four?

Aardvark154

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No there aren't. That's hyperbole. No one has been "destroyed". They lost factory jobs and now they work in lower paying jobs more commensurate with their lack of education.

No doubt they are worse off, but they are not destroyed
This is tragic and sad. Your comments are a lot like Government Takings. The Government always says and almost always successfully argues that they haven't "taken" your property, there is some value left. . . . even if your property originally had a fair market value of $800,000 and after the government project now has a value of $ 100,000 after all you do still have value left.

Something is obviously wrong here if I'm the evil conservative and you are the great progressive Grit.
 

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This is tragic and sad. Your comments are a lot like Government Takings. The Government always says and almost always successfully argues that they haven't "taken" your property, there is some value left. . . . even if your property originally had a fair market value of $800,000 and after the government project now has a value of $ 100,000 after all you do still have value left.

Something is obviously wrong here if I'm the evil conservative and you are the great progressive Grit.
You sound a little more like Hugo Chavez to me, trying to change economic reality with Government dictates.
 

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This is an all time joke from you. It has made some richer. But that former factory worker now earns $10 an hour with no benefits compared with $20 an hour with benefits before globalization.
Yup. And many other people are better off.

He was promised globalization will make him better off not worse off.
No he wasn't. None of us are promised anything. The economy presents opportunities and it's up to us to take them.

You deliberately fail to acknowledge the lie used to sell globalization and the jobs and people it has destroyed.
I don't know who sold you what but most Canadians and most Americans are better off now than they were when NAFTA was signed.

From "Failure to Adjust," by Edward Alden: "A central task of any government is to provide the tools to help people adjust and succeed in the face of economic change.
I agree with that. But ripping up trade deals isn't adjusting, it's self destructing.

Recommendations for the federal government include enforcing trade rules to ensure a more level playing field; reforming international rules to constrain subsidies that distort trade; developing comprehensive workforce retraining plans and apprenticeships to help American workers build necessary skills; and expanding trade adjustment assistance to workers displaced by trade."
The first two are protectionist and doomed. While no one will object to a level playing field is in fact pretty level, and while no one objects to removing distortions, those are not the reason why factory jobs are moving to countries with fundamentally lower costs for low skilled labor.

I support the last two. We should indeed retrain people and provide assistance to those too old to be retained.
 

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If Barack Obama had implemented policies to help those destroyed by globalization, we wouldn't have today the craziest man to ever occupy the White House.
That might be true, but it is still the case that globalization has been a big net benefit to Americans.
 
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