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Whatever Became of Economists and the American economy–Paul Craig Roberts


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Whatever Became of Economists
and the American economy

Paul Craig Roberts

According to the official economic fairy tale, the US economy has been in recovery since June 2009.

This fairy tale supports America’s image as the safe haven, an image that keeps the dollar up, the stock market up, and interest rates down. It is an image that causes the massive numbers of unemployed Americans to blame themselves and not the mishandled economy.

This fairy tale survives despite the fact that there is no economic information whatsoever that supports it.

Real median household income has not grown for years and is below the levels of the early 1970s.

There has been no growth in real retail sales for six years.

How does an economy dependent on consumer demand grow when real consumer incomes and real retail sales do not grow?

Not from business investment. Why invest when there is no sales growth? Industrial production, properly deflated, remains well below the pre-recession level.

Not from construction. The real value of total construction put in place declined sharply from 2006 through 2011 and has bounced around the 2011 bottom for the past three years.

How does an economy grow when the labor force is shrinking? The labor force participation rate has declined since 2007 as has the civilian employment to population ratio.

How can there be a recovery when nothing has recovered?

Do economists believe that the entire corpus of macroeconomics taught since the 1940s is simply incorrect? If not, how can economists possibly support the recovery fairy tale?

We see the same absence of economics in the policy response to the sovereign debt crisis in Europe. First of all, the only reason that there is a crisis is because instead of writing off that part of the debt that cannot be paid, as in the past, so that the rest of the debt could be paid, creditors have demanded the impossible–that all the debt be paid.

In an attempt to achieve the impossible, heavily indebted countries, such as Greece, have been forced to reduce old age pensions, fire government employees, reduce social services such as health care and education, reduce wages, and sell-off public property such as ports, municipal water companies, and the state lottery. These austerity packages deprive the government of revenues and the population of spending power. Consequently, consumption, investment, and government spending all fall, and the economy sinks lower. As the economy sinks, the existing debt becomes a larger percentage of the GDP and becomes even more unserviceable.

Economists have known this ever since John Maynard Keynes taught it to them in the 1930s. Yet there is no sign of this foundational economics in the policy approach to the sovereign debt crisis.

Economists it appears have simply vanished from the earth. Or, if some are still present, they have lost their voices and do not speak.

Consider “globalism.” Every country has been convinced that globalism is imperative and that not to be part of the “global economy” means economic death. In fact, to be part of the global economy means death.

Understand the economic destruction that globalism has wreaked on the United States. Millions of middle class factory jobs and professional skill jobs such as software engineering and Information Technology have been taken away from the American middle class and given to people in Asia. In the short-run this drops labor costs and benefits the profits of the US corporations that offshore the jobs, but the consequence is to destroy the domestic consumer market as jobs that permit the formation of households are replaced with lowly paid part-time jobs that do not.

If households cannot form, the demand for housing, home appliances and furnishings declines. College graduates return home to live with their parents.

Part-time jobs hurt the ability to save. People are only able to purchase cars because they can get 100 percent financing, and more in order to pay off an existing car loan that exceeds the vehicle’s trade-in value, in a six-year loan. These loans are possible, because those who make the loans sell them. The loans are then securitized and sold as investments to those desperate for yield in a zero interest rate world. Derivatives are spun off these “investments,” and a new bubble is put in place.

When manufacturing jobs are offshored, the US plants are closed, and the tax base of state and local governments declines. When the governments have trouble servicing their accumulated debt, the tendency is not to meet their pension obligations. This reduces retiree incomes, incomes already reduced by zero or negative interest rates.

This unraveling of consumer demand, the basis for our economy, was entirely obvious at the very beginning. Yet junk economists or hired corporate mouthpieces promised Americans a “New Economy” that would provide them with better, higher paying, cleaner jobs to take the place of the jobs moved abroad. As I have pointed out for more than a decade, there is no sign of these jobs anywhere in the economy.

Why did economists make no protest as the US economy was shipped abroad and deep-sixed at home?

Globalism also devastates “emerging economies.” Self-sufficient agricultural communities are destroyed by the introduction of large-scale monoculture agriculture. The uprooted peoples relocate to cities where they become a drain on social services and a source of political instability.

Globalism, like neoliberal economics, is an instrument of economic imperialism. Labor is exploited, while peoples, cultures, and environments are destroyed. Yet the propaganda is so powerful that people partake of their own destruction.
 

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It's the problem no one wants to talk about.

Drive around the US, and even here in Canada. There are pockets of great wealth, to be sure. But there are also obvious signs of entire communities being left behind. Way behind.
 

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There are some economists who have been pretty accurate and reasonable and whose predictions have been pretty spot on - both nobel prize winners - Joe Stiglitz and Paul Krugman. They are from the Keynesian school of thought...but the supply side school of thought has all the big money behind it thus a bunch of economists have in essence been bought out (according to Krugman) but what that does is to create confusion, and make the field look like it doesn't know what it is doing. Thus, no clear policy's emerge.
 

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We see the same absence of economics in the policy response to the sovereign debt crisis in Europe. First of all, the only reason that there is a crisis is because instead of writing off that part of the debt that cannot be paid, as in the past, so that the rest of the debt could be paid, creditors have demanded the impossible–that all the debt be paid.
In an attempt to achieve the impossible, heavily indebted countries, such as Greece, have been forced to reduce old age pensions, fire government employees, reduce social services such as health care and education, reduce wages, and sell-off public property such as ports, municipal water companies, and the state lottery. These austerity packages deprive the government of revenues and the population of spending power. Consequently, consumption, investment, and government spending all fall, and the economy sinks lower. As the economy sinks, the existing debt becomes a larger percentage of the GDP and becomes even more unserviceable.
The writer's solution to the problem is to write off part of the debt. Let's just pay part of it back.
Let's just start again with no debt. Now, we can keep the pensions, keep all the govt employees, keep full health care and education, keep the high wages, maintain government revenues, maintain people's spending power.

Will the same deal be made available to individual borrowers? How do I sign on?

Consider “globalism.” Every country has been convinced that globalism is imperative and that not to be part of the “global economy” means economic death. In fact, to be part of the global economy means death.
Globalism, like neoliberal economics, is an instrument of economic imperialism. Labor is exploited, while peoples, cultures, and environments are destroyed. Yet the propaganda is so powerful that people partake of their own destruction.
Globalism isn't something that can be switched on and off. If foreigners are able to put a quality TV set on the US market at a quarter of the price that the US manufacturer could do it -- the word "unstoppable" was coined to describe exactly the resulting market trend. The only alternative to globalism is the abandonment of the free market.

The writer does not give any hint as to what he proposes as the solution. What might he suggest? Ban imports? Start a tariff war? Increase the price of oil (or maybe encourage pirates) to push up transport costs? What?
 

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The writer's solution to the problem is to write off part of the debt. Let's just pay part of it back.
Let's just start again with no debt. Now, we can keep the pensions, keep all the govt employees, keep full health care and education, keep the high wages, maintain government revenues, maintain people's spending power.

Will the same deal be made available to individual borrowers? How do I sign on?



Globalism isn't something that can be switched on and off. If foreigners are able to put a quality TV set on the US market at a quarter of the price that the US manufacturer could do it -- the word "unstoppable" was coined to describe exactly the resulting market trend. The only alternative to globalism is the abandonment of the free market.

The writer does not give any hint as to what he proposes as the solution. What might he suggest? Ban imports? Start a tariff war? Increase the price of oil (or maybe encourage pirates) to push up transport costs? What?
He missed the lesson on comparative advantage....
 

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Whatever Became of Economists and the American economy–Paul Craig Roberts
There was an unemployment report from last month in the USA which showed the unemployment rate for people with a degree was below 3%, which probably means FULL EMPLOYMENT, and that this was the lowest level since the 2008 financial crisis.

IF YOU HAVE A DEGREE, THEN YOU WILL FIND A JOB IN AMERICA & your wages definitely will increase

CAPITALISM IS WORKING GREAT, IT HAS RECOVERED FROM THE 2008 CRISIS IN THE USA

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...u-s-might-run-out-of-college-educated-workers

As for the people who are still unemployed, likely low skilled and without a lot of education, the reasons for that are complex, and I do not believe it can be explained away with the usual left - right debate in politics.

One has to be technological progress has accelerated with the internet.

Another is globalization. Globalization is here to stay. To fight against it, is cutting your own nose off.
 

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CAPITALISM IS WORKING GREAT, IT HAS RECOVERED FROM THE 2008 CRISIS IN THE USA

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...u-s-might-run-out-of-college-educated-workers

As for the people who are still unemployed, likely low skilled and without a lot of education, the reasons for that are complex, and I do not believe it can be explained away with the usual left - right debate in politics.

Another is globalization. Globalization is here to stay. To fight against it, is cutting your own nose off.
You gotta be kidding, right?

Capitalism is great if regulated to prevent excesses and fraud. Then, it's great if it applies to big corporations instead of just us peons.

Too-Big-To-Fail is socialism for the corporations. If you or me can't pay our mortgages, capitalism applies: you get wiped out and lose your home and are subject to bankruptcy. When the big banks are on the brink because of deception and fraud (sub-prime mortgages, and Goldman-Sachs shorting their customers because they sold them 'bound to fail investments') and the giant derivatives ponzi scheme, the banking cartel (Federal Reserve Banks) just open up the taps and re inflate them by printing trillion dollars, money that will never be seen by the millions who got their houses foreclosed.

Bloomberg is nothing more than propaganda for the masses on behalf of their corporate connections. What? propaganda? but this is the USA and not the Soviet Union! How can it happen in the USA, the beacon of freedom? One glaring example was the mainstream US press feeding all of us the US government garbage about Iraqi WMD's as a pretext for war, without any question, and the very few who had done actual journalistic investigations (Knight-Ridder news service) were simply ridiculed for questioning that. There is no reason to believe that the US media propaganda of 2003 is not still not with us to this day, regardless of which political party is in power, because corporations rule in the US. Investigative reporting in the US is pretty well dead, and all the US media do is just reprint US government press releases about the glowing economy.

Ya, right! one fifth (20%) of US households are on food stamps and the actual unemployment rate is about 37%, as the official 5% figures includes only those that are actively seeking work.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/w...isery-index-worst-in-40-years/article/2542604

So you can point at corporate media for trying to brainwashing us into believing that the US economy is doing so well, because doing otherwise (like reporting the truth) would not be so good for the investment climate.
 

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Capitalism is working! Educated people are forced to settle for shitty McJobs. Part time employment, minimum wage in the service industry... hurray! They're employed. Aren't things just grand? Would you like fries with that diploma? Wall Street plunges the entire world into a massive recession, and we reward them by bailing them out and applaud their successes while we eat our Kraft dinner. The income gap between the rich and poor is bigger now than it ever was. The 7 Walmart heirs own more than the bottom 40% of people. (wrap your fucking heads around that for a second. 7 people, with more wealth than a hundred-some-odd million!) If you read about some dark ages empire where the evil overlords owned EVERYTHING, and everyone else had such a tiny percentage of assets, you would be horrified and cheer the inevitable violent, bloody revolution. But hey, things sure are going great guns, aren't they?


The emperor's new clothes are snazzy as fuck.
 

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You gotta be kidding, right?
That unemployment report is very clear. Educated people in America have full employment.

Last time that unemployment rate was this low for educated people, was 2008 before the Lehman Brothers collapse. Clearly this means capitalism came all the way back.

As the rest of the people, uneducated, they can improve themselves. It is not hopeless.

Whatever they intend to do, just leave the educated out of it. It is working for them. Why drag them down.

Look what happens in this country. Wynne changes the rules that all the kids in teachers college must pass two years instead of one. When they graduate, they still will not have a job. At least they can look south again.
 

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Capitalism is working! Educated people are forced to settle for shitty McJobs. Part time employment, minimum wage in the service industry... hurray! They're employed. Aren't things just grand? Would you like fries with that diploma? Wall Street plunges the entire world into a massive recession, and we reward them by bailing them out and applaud their successes while we eat our Kraft dinner. The income gap between the rich and poor is bigger now than it ever was. The 7 Walmart heirs own more than the bottom 40% of people. (wrap your fucking heads around that for a second. 7 people, with more wealth than a hundred-some-odd million!) If you read about some dark ages empire where the evil overlords owned EVERYTHING, and everyone else had such a tiny percentage of assets, you would be horrified and cheer the inevitable violent, bloody revolution. But hey, things sure are going great guns, aren't they?


The emperor's new clothes are snazzy as fuck.
Pointless.

Full employment for educated people in America. Why can't we have that here in this country?

Just because you hate the rich, or people better off than others, that does not substitute for critical thinking skills. Something an educated person is suppose to have.

Stopping taxing hard working people until we're bankrupt for good like Greece.

We probably are in this province.
 

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That unemployment report is very clear. Educated people in America have full employment.

Last time that unemployment rate was this low for educated people, was 2008 before the Lehman Brothers collapse. Clearly this means capitalism came all the way back.
An utterly ridiculous statement. All you're doing is cherry picking a convenient sample. So when there isn't full employment does your litmus test still define the results and capitalism doesn't work? Or do you change the goalposts?

Boom and bust cycles don't qualify as success for me. Granted I'd take capitalism over communism any day, but the reality is that we're creating a polarized society of haves and have nots with a declining middle class. That is a recipe for social unrest as history has often shown us. I'd qualify capitalism simply as the lesser of two (or more) evils but not one without grave consequences.

And by the way, you are using a disproven argument of over-taxation. The greatest period of growth and prosperity in US history was when marginal tax rates in the US were much higher. Tax reductions don't help the "hard working" class as much as they help the wealthy. And this coming from someone who benefits more when the high net worth class receive tax breaks.

And that Greece point is way off the mark. Way, way off.
 

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An utterly ridiculous statement. All you're doing is cherry picking a convenient sample. So when there isn't full employment does your litmus test still define the results and capitalism doesn't work? Or do you change the goalposts?

Boom and bust cycles don't qualify as success for me. Granted I'd take capitalism over communism any day, but the reality is that we're creating a polarized society of haves and have nots with a declining middle class. That is a recipe for social unrest as history has often shown us. I'd qualify capitalism simply as the lesser of two (or more) evils.

And by the way, you are using a disproven argument of over-taxation. The greatest period of growth and prosperity in US history was when marginal tax rates in the US were much higher. Tax reductions don't help the "hard working" class as much as they help the wealthy. And this coming from someone who benefits more when the high net worth class receive tax breaks.

And that Greece point is way off the mark. Way, way off.
What kind of bullshit is this?

Tell me why other countries and places, such as Canada for example, cannot have full employment on any type of worker?

Why?

Then tell me about capitalism, how it works, who leads it? The innovators, corporations, or the janitor?

And now we get to the real and total bullshit. That you folks on the left are so happy to point out.

This is only the damn beginning. At full employment for the educated, soon or later, they not find enough of these workers, then businesses will hire less qualified folks and train them. They could train them to do the full job, or a watered down version of the job, or implement more technology to aid the worker without the background for the job.

Wouldn't the unemployment rate for the general population start going down too. But that is totally unacceptable. Because that is capitalism.

You leftist hate capitalism, you want to even torpedo that before it has a chance.

Vote Justin, vote Liberals!.

:Eek:
 

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What kind of bullshit is this?

Tell me why other countries and places, such as Canada for example, cannot have full employment on any type of worker?

Why?

Then tell me about capitalism, how it works, who leads it? The innovators, corporations, or the janitor?

And now we get to the real and total bullshit. That you folks on the left are so happy to point out.

This is only the damn beginning. At full employment for the educated, soon or later, they not find enough of these workers, then businesses will hire less qualified folks and train them. They could train them to do the full job, or a watered down version of the job, or implement more technology to aid the worker without the background for the job.

Wouldn't the unemployment rate for the general population start going down too. But that is totally unacceptable. Because that is capitalism.

You leftist hate capitalism, you want to even torpedo that before it has a chance.

Vote Justin, vote Liberals!.

:Eek:
You folks on the left? :rofl:

My man, I'm an investment banker with a background in macroeconomics. Trust me, I am no lefty. But to blindly make assertions that you have without understanding the true nature of wealth and the structure that supports it is almost tragic. You've been watching too much Mad Money my friend.
 

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We need to stop talking about the middle class. We've been talking about its decline for decades. Fact is, the middle class is practically gone now. We are now living in a world of have and have nots. The chasm between the two will only grow from here on out.
 

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You folks on the left? :rofl:

My man, I'm an investment banker with a background in macroeconomics. Trust me, I am no lefty. But to blindly make assertions that you have without understanding the true nature of wealth and the structure that supports it is almost tragic. You've been watching too much Mad Money my friend.
Simply put, this wealth gap is real, but the threat of consequences to the system, is over stated IMO.

All these leftist want is another handout. Or their union protected for life, damn the young. Kathleen Wynne protects her teaching buddies the boomer generation, without giving much thought to the kids in teachers college. Isn't unemployment of the youth in Italy around 50%.

Look at the new leaders of Greece, and the Ontario government. Their attitudes are the same.

They promise almost everyone, almost everything, ESPECIALLY social justice. Until someone says no, as in no more money, only then they start to backtrack.

What I really think, is that this social welfare state in Europe, is basically gone. It will wind up like the U.S.S.R. The Anglo model of harsh capitalism will prevail.
 

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The greatest period of growth and prosperity in US history was when marginal tax rates in the US were much higher. Tax reductions don't help the "hard working" class as much as they help the wealthy. And this coming from someone who benefits more when the high net worth class receive tax breaks.

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Indeed. During Eisenhower's time, the President who warned of the Industrial-Military complex taking over the government, the top tax rate was over 80% in the US. Now, billionaires are subject to a measly 15%, and that's not counting most of the cash scurried away offshore.
 

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Simply put, this wealth gap is real, but the threat of consequences to the system, is over stated IMO.
Far from it. More and more, global growth will rely on an increasingly smaller percentage of high end consumers (the generally referred to 1%) while real wage growth in many labour classes has been stagnant for the better part of a decade. An unbalanced system will not break in a balanced way. Whatever the catalyst (ie. A 40% drop in oil prices) whatever system shocks are felt, their impact is magnified. This will result in an increase of boom/bust cycles.

All these leftist want is another handout. Or their union protected for life, damn the young. Kathleen Wynne protects her teaching buddies the boomer generation, without giving much thought to the kids in teachers college. Isn't unemployment of the youth in Italy around 50%.

Look at the new leaders of Greece, and the Ontario government. Their attitudes are the same.

They promise almost everyone, almost everything, ESPECIALLY social justice. Until someone says no, as in no more money, only then they start to backtrack.

What I really think, is that this social welfare state in Europe, is basically gone. It will wind up like the U.S.S.R. The Anglo model of harsh capitalism will prevail.
You obviously have strong ideological and political beliefs I am not interested in debating. But my objection will always exist when political preferences (of any nature) use cherry-picked or outright mischaracterized economic principles and/or data to support their agenda.
 
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