Economic Inequality

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Recently there have been a number of posts in other threads about the growth in inequality. I thought that some of the explanations people offered were rather uniformed. Thus, I thought the explanation offered at the end of this article in today’s NY times might be of interest to some (by the way, for those not familiar with economists, both Gregory Mankiw and Lawrence Katz are big names, one is a democrat and the other a republican):

The Wealth Trajectory: Rewards for the Few
By N. GREGORY MANKIW
Published: April 20, 2008
IF there is one thing about the United States economy in recent years that is beyond dispute, it is this: It’s a great time to be rich.
Yes, I know, being rich has never exactly been a downer. But today it is all the more sweet.
You see it in the daily headlines. The financial pages tell us that Lloyd C. Blankfein, chief executive of Goldman Sachs, took home $68.5 million last year. The political pages tell us that during the last eight years, Bill and Hillary Clinton raked in $109 million. These stories are not mere aberrations. According to the economists who crunch the numbers, they reflect a long-term trend of increasing economic inequality.
The best data on the superrich comes from Thomas Piketty of the Paris School of Economics and Emmanuel Saez of the University of California, Berkeley. Professors Piketty and Saez have been studying historical data from tax returns and recently updated their work to 2006.
They report that one out of every 10,000 American families has income in excess of $10.7 million. These lucky duckies number less than 15,000. Put together, they could all fit into a modest-size town. (We could call it Aspen or Nantucket.)
What’s more, the superrich have been getting an increasing slice of the economic pie. In 1980, the top 0.01 percent of the population had 0.87 percent of total income. By 2006, their share had more than quadrupled to 3.89 percent, a level not seen since 1916.
Critics of the Piketty-Saez data argue, with some justification, that tax return data is unreliable. Tax rules are constantly changing, and the rich have ways to manipulate the system. It is impossible to be sure whether a change in reported income is merely a change in tax strategy or a true change in circumstance.
It is hard to escape the conclusion, however, that Professors Piketty and Saez are finding something real. Other data sources lack much information on the superrich, who are simply too rare to show up in significant numbers. But when we compare the merely affluent with those at the low end of the pay scale, these other sources show similar, if less extreme, trends.
Take the government’s Current Population Survey, which covers about 50,000 households and is best known for producing the monthly unemployment rate. Like the tax return data, the C.P.S. also shows rising inequality. From 1980 to 2005, the earnings of the 90th percentile full-time male worker increased 49 percent more than the earnings of the 10th percentile worker. Among full-time female workers, there has been a similar divergence between high and low earners.
Offsetting this trend to some degree is the shrinking gender gap. Female workers started well below their male counterparts and have been catching up. But despite this equalizing force, the earnings ratio of the 90th to 10th percentiles, men and women combined, has risen 30 percent.
What accounts for rising inequality? Some pundits are tempted to look inside the Beltway for a cause, but the case is hard to make. Government policy makers do not have the tools to exert such a strong influence over pretax earnings, even if they wanted to do so.
Also, the trend toward increasing inequality has been fairly steady, despite changing political winds. The income share of the richest families increased substantially both during Ronald Reagan’s eight years in office and during Bill Clinton’s.
The best diagnosis so far comes from two of my Harvard colleagues, Claudia Goldin and Lawrence F. Katz, in their forthcoming book “The Race Between Education and Technology” (Harvard University Press). Professor Goldin is an economic historian, and Professor Katz is a labor economist who briefly worked in the Clinton administration. Their bottom line: “the sharp rise in inequality was largely due to an educational slowdown.”
According to Professors Goldin and Katz, for the past century technological progress has been a steady force not only increasing average living standards, but also increasing the demand for skilled workers relative to unskilled workers. Skilled workers are needed to apply and manage new technologies, while less skilled workers are more likely to become obsolete.
For much of the 20th century, however, skill-biased technological change was outpaced by advances in educational attainment. In other words, while technological progress increased the demand for skilled workers, our educational system increased the supply of them even faster. As a result, skilled workers did not benefit disproportionately from economic growth.
But recently things have changed. Over the last several decades, technology has kept up its pace, while educational advancement has slowed down. The numbers are striking. The cohort of workers born in 1950 had an average of 4.67 more years of schooling than the cohort born in 1900, representing an increase of 0.93 year in each decade. By contrast, the cohort born in 1975 had only 0.74 more years of schooling than that born in 1950, an increase of only 0.30 year a decade.
Because growth in the supply of skilled workers has slowed, their wages have grown relative to those of the unskilled. This shows up in the estimates of the financial return to education made by Professors Goldin and Katz. In 1980, each year of college raised a person’s wage by 7.6 percent. In 2005, each year of college yielded an additional 12.9 percent. The rate of return from each year of graduate school has risen even more — from 7.3 to 14.2 percent.
WHILE education is the key to understanding broad inequality trends, it is less obvious whether it can explain the incomes of the superrich. Simply going to college and graduate school is hardly enough to join the top echelons with Lloyd Blankfein and Bill and Hillary Clinton.
But neither is education irrelevant. If Mr. Blankfein had left the New York public school system and gone directly to work, instead of attending Harvard College and Law School, most likely he would not be the head of a major investment bank today.
If the Clintons had been content with high school diplomas and not attended Georgetown, Wellesley, Oxford and Yale, they most likely would not have reached the White House and Senate, and it is a good bet that they would not now be getting multimillion-dollar book deals and $100,000 speaking dates. A top education is no guarantee of great riches, but it often helps.
Maybe educational levels are like Willie Wonka’s chocolate bars. A few of them come with golden tickets that give you opportunities almost beyond imagination. But even if you aren’t lucky enough to get a golden ticket, you can still enjoy the chocolate, which by itself is well worth the price.

N. Gregory Mankiw is a professor of economics at Harvard. He was an adviser to President Bush and advised Mitt Romney in his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/b...ankiw&st=nyt&oref=slogin&scp=1&pagewanted=all
 

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Slightly off the topic of the link you posted, and admittedly economics is not my strong suit, but since it is clearly yours I would appreciate your opinion. Do you think the current direction of the US economy is sustainable? Financial services, especially debt services, have skyrocketed and become an intergral part of what fuels the economy. Isn't this the same road other countries, such as England, had taken near the end of their dominance? If it didn't work then, why should it work now?
 

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This was very well written in my view... the one issue that was missed (from my perspective) was that technology has moved US jobs to lower cost countries.. thus a double whammy - well educated workers are being paid more because they are in increasingly shorter supply and unskilled workers have the opposite experience.

As I've said several dozen times, send you kids to collage.

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onthebottom said:
As I've said several dozen times, send you kids to collage.

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Easier said than done.
Almost 40 yrs ago my entire college expenses were covered by the NYS Regents Scholarship Program. All I had to pay for was books. This is no longer the case. For all Dubya's rhetoric on Education he hasn't done SQUAT to lessen the high cost of going to college. I graduated debt free like tens of thousands of others in my generation. This is quite rare today and only getting worse. In this regard we are moving backwards with Dubya doing NOTHING to allieviate this....:(
 

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onthebottom said:
As I've said several dozen times, send you kids to collage.

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College* ...a point well taken. lol Sorry, I just couldn't help it.
 

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onthebottom said:
This was very well written in my view... the one issue that was missed (from my perspective) was that technology has moved US jobs to lower cost countries.. thus a double whammy - well educated workers are being paid more because they are in increasingly shorter supply and unskilled workers have the opposite experience.

As I've said several dozen times, send you kids to collage.

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part-time or full-time?

in full-time college many kids who don't have parents that give them money regularly of tough choices to make


1. work part-time in jobs which gives you little time to study and do assignments and end up failling and part-time jobs are increasingly demand previous experience and some form of qualifications and these jobs are usually low paying.


2. don't work so you can have all the time to study and do assignments and go hungry and in some cases have no money to by textbooks and tools
 

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Asterix said:
Slightly off the topic of the link you posted, and admittedly economics is not my strong suit, but since it is clearly yours I would appreciate your opinion. Do you think the current direction of the US economy is sustainable? Financial services, especially debt services, have skyrocketed and become an intergral part of what fuels the economy. Isn't this the same road other countries, such as England, had taken near the end of their dominance? If it didn't work then, why should it work now?
I’m not exactly sure what you mean. However, I have posted before that I clearly don’t think the current situation of the U.S. consuming more than it produces (and hence, going more an more into debt) is sustainable. On this issue, I’m in agreement with Fiji. However, I’ll note that I’m a micro person and NOT a macroeconomist.

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As I've said several dozen times, send you kids to collage.

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In general, I don’t disagree that this is good advice. However, I think it ignores the fact that many are not suited for post secondary education in anything serious. In the U.S. and the Atlantic provinces, part of this would be true to the bad math preparation in high schools. However, even the best preparation, will not turn someone without ability, into an engineer, computer scientist, biotechnologist, etc. I’m not saying that I know what to do with those people, but I’m not sure it is fair to just throw them to the wolfs just because they may not have the same abilities as the rest of us.
 

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part-time or full-time?

in full-time college many kids who don't have parents that give them money regularly of tough choices to make


1. work part-time in jobs which gives you little time to study and do assignments and end up failling and part-time jobs are increasingly demand previous experience and some form of qualifications and these jobs are usually low paying.


2. don't work so you can have all the time to study and do assignments and go hungry and in some cases have no money to by textbooks and tools

Any way you can. Ohio State is $8,500 a year plus living expense - for that you get a world class education. A VERY good investment.

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someone said:
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In general, I don’t disagree that this is good advice. However, I think it ignores the fact that many are not suited for post secondary education in anything serious. In the U.S. and the Atlantic provinces, part of this would be true to the bad math preparation in high schools. However, even the best preparation, will not turn someone without ability, into an engineer, computer scientist, biotechnologist, etc. I’m not saying that I know what to do with those people, but I’m not sure it is fair to just throw them to the wolfs just because they may not have the same abilities as the rest of us.
This is the crux of the problem, but there are many very good jobs between high school and college educations......

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onthebottom said:
This is the crux of the problem, but there are many very good jobs between high school and college educations......

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Then why is there an unemployment problem in Ohio and NY, to mention just 2 areas?...:rolleyes:
 

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Then why is there an unemployment problem in Ohio and NY, to mention just 2 areas?...:rolleyes:
Because those economies are in transition away from manufacturing..... new skills need to be learned. I'd never say this is easy, and I think we should provide training to those displaced by macro economic shifts but you can't expect the world economy to bend to the US desire to keep things the way they used to be.

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So I guess we can just let Team 'w' handle things and retraining like they did their rebuilding in NO after Katrina then, eh.....:eek:
 

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So I guess we can just let Team 'w' handle things and retraining like they did their rebuilding in NO after Katrina then, eh.....:eek:
Government of either party is going to have very little effect here......

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Government of either party is going to have very little effect here......

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Not really, it's the GOP that have problems doing things in a competent manner!....;)
 

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Not really, it's the GOP that have problems doing things in a competent manner!....;)
You're in denial about this, and I'm not going to be able to change your mind. Those who continue to admire the issue without having rational market based alternatives will continue to whistle in the wind.....

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You're in denial about this, and I'm not going to be able to change your mind. Those who continue to admire the issue without having rational market based alternatives will continue to whistle in the wind.....

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BS!!!!
You have only to look at NO post Katrina to see what happens when the GOP is in 'action'!...:rolleyes:
 

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BS!!!!
You have only to look at NO post Katrina to see what happens when the GOP is in 'action'!...:rolleyes:
You're head is in the sand.....

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You're head is in the sand.....

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Sooo you approve of the way Team 'w' rebuilt NO, not to mention the way their wars are going since claiming 'Mission Accomplished' ...how many years ago?.....:rolleyes:
 

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Sooo you approve of the way Team 'w' rebuilt NO, not to mention the way their wars are going since claiming 'Mission Accomplished' ...how many years ago?.....:rolleyes:
Funny how the Gulf Coast is thriving under R governments while the Ds in NO sit on their ass... both the government Ds and the trailer squatters.

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onthebottom said:
Funny how the Gulf Coast is thriving under R governments while the Ds in NO sit on their ass... both the government Ds and the trailer squatters.

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Not funny at all!
In fact thanks for bringing up Newt Gingrich's old 'Withering on the Vine Policy'. Newt said in it, "only fund and give money to Rep areas and starve Dem areas to let them wither away." What you pointed out above is an example that Newt's policy is still being practiced by Team 'w'.....not that it's any surprise!....:rolleyes:
 
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