DUI With the company Car

[HOF]

I doubt they will seek him out...or ever know it is 'him'....

I would recommend he travel a slightly different route where cops are likely not going to hang.

KEEP driving to a minimum.

That said....he has to get thru 90- days of this.....and a subsequent fine/licence suspecnsion upon conviction!!

It is a risk.....may be worth it!!!

Why do you present yourself as a law and order guy, when it's clear you're not? Remember what you said about cutting tire valves=crime, and how hard you would have come down on the drunk guy#2 tickling drunk girl#1's coochie, but when told to go away no further issue 3 years you said. I can't seem to find that thread now either.

--------- coyihptre

 

[HOF]

We had this in the company I worked for a few Years ago and the guy was eventually demoted to a desk jockey from a Sales Director position!!

He was lucky!

 

[HOF]

Your seriously suggesting he commit fraud ?

Good call Mervyn, I forgot to add that to the list of questions.

 

[Dougal Short]

Does insurance still cover you if you are in a accident driving while your license in suspended?

I am almost certain it doesn't. You can't legally drive a car when your license is suspended, so I can't imagine that the insurer wouldn't use that as a reason to pass on paying out on a claim, no matter the size.

And Harry, as others have said, I think your coworker is fucked if he doesn't 'fess up. He might well be fucked either way though.

I lot will depend on your employer, but as someone who works outside of the office a lot, I had to sign an agreement with my employer that "promised" I wouldn't drink and drive or knowingly break any laws, and that if I did, they wouldn't be there to help.

In this case, had your friend injured or killed someone, the liability would have gone straight up to the owners of the company, so his (and your) efforts to cover this up will not be well received, especially if make an effort to hide it.

You referred to him as a "coworker" and not a "friend", so I guess the question is whether you are prepared to loose your job for a coworker... Who will certainly loose his no matter what you do, when this thing comes to light... and it will. If it was his own car, he'd get away with it, but not if it's a co-car...

 

[2canchew]

Are you for real?
Does your company cars have GPS units?
If the car was impounded, how did the two of you get back to work?
How is he getting to work?
Hasn't the boss asked about the car?
Are there not travel logs and expense submissions?

If the car has been impounded, doesn't the registered owner have to pick it up and pay tow and storage fees?
Did your co-worker not have to be taken to the station for further breath tests? paperwork?
Did your coworker contact a lawyer?
Is the car insured by the company or your co-worker?
Does he need a rider on his personal insurance to drive the company vehicle.
If the companies insurance and/or your co-workers insurance finds out have fun paying for insurance!
Did the PC not write down your co-workers driver's license number, address, insurance?
Does your co-worker not realize that the PC could show up at your workplace?

Does your workplace have a policy manual about company vehicles usage and responsibility?
Do you have any integrity not encouraging your co-worker to be honest with your employer?
Do you think that your employer won't punish you because you weren't driving, but you were drinking on the job?

There's something stinky here, smells like bullshit.

Haaary, now you have some expainen to do.

 

[elwoodinontario]

BTW, if you're charged with DUI, I thought you now have a crimnal record and you lose your license for minimum 1 year.

You lose your license for the year if you're conivicted. 90 days when you're charged.

 

[K Douglas]

The guy should just admit the truth to his boss and ask for an office job.

 

[fuji]

I had to blow once with a company car.. I felt I was probably ok .. but you are never 100% sure. I blew 0.047 well under at the time. But it was pretty anxious. Yeah it was bad judgement. Honestly...he is best to get a fake cast on his right leg and say he cannot drive for a while.. and go on LTD.

Leave ff the "and go on LTD" part which is fraud. I think he should claim some kind of injury/condition that prevents him driving for awhile but still find a way to go to work, if possible, until it's over. He should not attempt to get LTD out of it! Better yet tell his boss he has a "medical reason" why he can't drive, but leave it unspecified. In a way it is--alcoholism. So it's not a complete lie.

That said if it backfires and he loses his job, well, then maybe he should have thought about it before he drove drunk.

 

[doggee_01]

Does insurance still cover you if you are in a accident driving while your license in suspended?

no..

 

[BillyBobBobbybob]

I'm guessing the car is still in impound and not 7 days yet. He will be pleasantly surprised that the registered owner will have to get the car out of impound. So, all this discussion is null and void since his boss will find out quite shortly.

 

[oldjones]

He goes to the boss and tells the full story, hires a driver(s) to get him around to fulfill the reqirements of his job, and rents a car to sub for the company car while it's impounded. Leaving only his alcohol abuse problem to be worked out with the employer; that should be very doable. If he worked for me, covered up and I found out he'd have to explain those choices to everyone he applied to for his next job. Which he'd need immdiately. And the vehicles person would also have some explaining to do, if they hadn't noticed.

He's still pretending he wasn't responsible, and proving that he isn't.

 

[maxgroove]

Just a thought..But I believe a notice of impound (or similar) gets sent to the registered owner..

 

[oldjones]

I agree with everything you say, but he actually does not have to explain anything to future employers. He could go-in and say he left the current company for any number of reasons. If future employers called the current company, they will basically say "He worked here, and he left - that's all I can tell you." Any other statement by the current company could get them in a heap-load of legal trouble, even if everything is true.

I once had an alcoholic employee and we fired her over it. She applied to my former boss, and he called me. I told him EVERYTHING about the employee, including missed days, alcoholism, poor work, drinking at work, deadlines not met, how I got in a heap of trouble for her mistakes, etc... When I mentioned this to the SVP of my firm who was also a lawyer, she just shook her head and said "I need to give all you guys a seminar on the ins-and-outs of employment law."

Getting in trouble for telling the truth is a better long-run bet than lying because of bad laws.

If the employee in the tale applied anywhere that asked me about his employment record, I'd have no reluctance about specifically detailing his lying about his abuse of company property and disregard of the law in driving company cars without a license. Summarily dismissing him for the offence would be worth the legal/contractual penalties, if such existed for 'my' situation—remembering employment law is state/provincial and contracts individual. The same goes for supplying those facts if asked for a reference. Most such cases I've run across actually seem to have been decided by accounting, supposedly on cost-benefit bases. Which simply speaks to the low value they place on right action. On a par with the employee in question.

The future cost of hiring or keeping a dishonest, disloyal employee with such appallingly bad judgement and ethics could be astronomical. And we can get the laws changed, if they're that out of touch.

The company trusted him; he can demonstrate he's a man worthy of that trust, or a weasel who deserves no one's trust.

 

[rld]

I had to blow once with a company car.. I felt I was probably ok .. but you are never 100% sure. I blew 0.047 well under at the time. But it was pretty anxious. Yeah it was bad judgement. Honestly...he is best to get a fake cast on his right leg and say he cannot drive for a while.. and go on LTD.

Are you honestly that stupid?

You think an insurer is going to pay out a broken leg claim with copies of the X-ray reports?

Your dishonesty and lack of ability to think seems to know no bounds.

 

[rld]

He's already there...he committed a criminal act by driving the car under the influence. Now he is exposing the company to massive liability by driving while suspended.. so IMHO faking in injury is probably less harmful then pretending it didn't happen. Either one is fraud, but driving under suspension is a much more serious legal violation then faking an injury.

Why, oh great con man, do you think he is exposing the company to massive liability if driving while suspended?

 

[2canchew]

I had a friend of mine that I played pool with and he got caught in a company car after pool. He told his boss and his boss said that if he didn't want to loose his job he should hire a driver at HIS expense.....6 months later he was caught again and got early retirement.

 

[fuji]

He's already there...he committed a criminal act by driving the car under the influence. Now he is exposing the company to massive liability by driving while suspended.. so IMHO faking in injury is probably less harmful then pretending it didn't happen. Either one is fraud, but driving under suspension is a much more serious legal violation then faking an injury.

Faking injury isn't so bad. It's the fraud part, claiming LTD and trying to get some benefit out of it... that's bad. I mean lying is not great, but I can see how with severe consequences he might want to make up some alternative explanation for why he can't drive. But going the next step, and trying to get someone else to cough up LTD cash, and a free vacation--really???