Dual Citizens

[John Henry]

This is what happens when somebody argues with an idiotic pig.

What's with the name calling here . You are really showing how much of a classless person you really are . Is this what you do when someone doesn't have THE SAME OPINION OR IDEAS AS YOU . You resort to name calling . What do you have the mentality of a child in a playground resorting to name calling .

Let me try one on you . GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU IDIOT PIG . Now I have stooped down to your level you classless piece of shit .

 

[danmand]

What's with the name calling here . You are really showing how much of a classless person you really are . Is this what you do when someone doesn't have THE SAME OPINION OR IDEAS AS YOU . You resort to name calling . What do you have the mentality of a child in a playground resorting to name calling .

Let me try one on you . GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU IDIOT PIG . Now I have stooped down to your level you classless piece of shit .

You were already there

Go to the land of the terrorists and kiss their asses since you love them so much . You should have immigrated to Syria , Iran or even Iraq if you hate Canadians like me . I'm sure that you'd fit in perfectly over there .

It's never too late to move . Just think of all of the free ass you would be getting being over there.

 

[John Henry]

You were already there, idiot

Blah blah blah blah ..... Idiot . Still showing how much class you don't have . Your so funny . :wink:

 

[jcpro]

This is what happens when somebody argues with an idiotic pig.

LOL! It's not about arguing, this individual does not have sufficient brain power for even that. It's about giving them enough rope for a public suicide. Cockroachs must be always in the light for all to see.

 

[Titalian]

Actually NO . It was the Vikings that were here before the French . The Natives were here before the Vikings were . The French just stole the land claiming it for themselves from the Natives. Ever hear of New France . LOL What a joke that was .

Battle of the Plaines of Abraham . The French lost that war against the English . The English were kind enough to let the Conquered French stay in Canada .

French took the land from the Natives and the English took it from the French .

Let me clarify, The french were the first to settle in this country.

 

[Titalian]

What's with the name calling here . You are really showing how much of a classless person you really are . Is this what you do when someone doesn't have THE SAME OPINION OR IDEAS AS YOU . You resort to name calling . What do you have the mentality of a child in a playground resorting to name calling .

Let me try one on you . GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU IDIOT PIG . Now I have stooped down to your level you classless piece of shit .

Name Calling ??? The stove calling the kettle black. I think you should come out of retirement. Its not doing you well.

 

[John Henry]

Let me clarify, The french were the first to settle in this country.

Check your history books . The French were not the first to settle in Canada but they were the first to steal the land that belonged to the Natives and keep it .

Name Calling ??? The stove calling the kettle black. I think you should come out of retirement. Its not doing you well.

Stove calling the kettle black . LOL I wasn't the one that started to name call in the first place . I have no need of that even though I don't agree with what someone has said . Unlike you or your buddies who can't win a argument so you revert to name calling as a last resort .

Retirement is great thank you very much . It gives me more time to deal with losers such as yourself who think that they're God's gift to Terb . I guess you and your buddies can't stand to have someone go against what you think is right . I'm used to dealing with Neanderthals who think that every one else is wrong and what they think is the right way .

Jealous that you still have to work to make ends meet . Just like your mouth you can't control your money . LOL

 

[wilbur]

Battle of the Plaines of Abraham . The French lost that war against the English . The English were kind enough to let the Conquered French stay in Canada .

French took the land from the Natives and the English took it from the French .

Actually, no. The war went on after the Battle of the Plains of Abraham and the English lost a battle later west of Quebec. France didn't lose Canada as a result of the battle of the plains of Abraham. New France capitulated after the defeat of the French Fleet off the coast of France, meaning no more resupply. France ceded its territories in North America in the treaty of Paris to the English after conceding its defeat in the 7 Years War.

The English were kind enough to let the Canadiens stay in Canada because:

1: They needed them to run the country, as there were very few English there at the time, and that's why the French based Civil Code endures as the basis of Quebec civil law.

2: The US colonies were rebelling and the English didn't need more enemies, especially an alliance between the US revolutionaries and the Canadiens.

In 1775, American Generals Benedict Arnold and Richard Montgomery lead a US force to attack Quebec City. Mongomery's force had previously defeated the British at Fort St Jean (sur Richelieu) and Montreal. Because the British garrison at Quebec was too small to repulse them, the British governor of Quebec, Sir Guy Carleton, reactivated the Canadien militia (543 members under the command of Colonel Noel Voyer), which had previously served under the French regime. The Americans were repulsed, especially when General Montgomery was killed leading an assault on a blockhouse manned by 30 Canadien militia (and a few British sailors) under the command of capitaine Chabot and lieutenant Alexandre Picard.

Governor Murray's ignoring London's orders to assimilate the Canadien through language, legal system and religion had paid off.

 

[oldjones]

Did you know:

Only Canadian citizens can join the Canadian military.

Joining the U.S. military can be a shortcut to U.S. citizenship.

Only native born Americans can aspire to be President. (No, President Obama was not born in Kenya.) Ted Cruz was born in Canada to an American mother so he is eligible.

Native born would mean in the USA, the words in the Constitution are "natural-born". If you're gonna obsess about such nits you'd best be picky about precise and accurate terminology.

 

[oldjones]

When i lived in Quebec, I was told that if Quebec became an independent country I would automatically be a Quebec citizen but would still retain my Canadian citizenship. Hence, I would be a dual Quebec Canadian resident. However, new immigrants to Quebec would only be Quebec citizens.

Also, I was told that my kids could attend English school but the kids of new immigrants would have to attend French school.

Since it never happened, and there was never any definition of Québecois, nor any official body empowered to define Québec citizenship, 'they' were free to tell you whatever nonsense they liked. What any eventual law might say, who can know? But what you laid out is as logical, humane and just as could be imagined.

 

[oldjones]

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Case in point .... Our dear leader of the Liberal party of Ont and her LIckspittles . The Blind Followers of Ont voting her back in with a Majority . If the blind followers of Ont can vote her back in then I have NO problem with voting Harper back in .

Guess where most of her seats that she got came from . A city full of stupid blind followers . Need I say more .

None of which has anything to do with the topic, which lies entirely beyond provincial powers. Try to keep up.

 

[Aardvark154]

Actually, no. The war went on after the Battle of the Plains of Abraham and the English lost a battle later west of Quebec. France didn't lose Canada as a result of the battle of the plains of Abraham. New France capitulated after the defeat of the French Fleet off the coast of France, meaning no more resupply. France ceded its territories in North America in the treaty of Paris to the English after conceding its defeat in the 7 Years War.

The English were kind enough to let the Canadiens stay in Canada because:

1: They needed them to run the country, as there were very few English there at the time, and that's why the French based Civil Code endures as the basis of Quebec civil law.

2: The US colonies were rebelling and the English didn't need more enemies, especially an alliance between the US revolutionaries and the Canadiens.

Point one basically so.

As to your second point , not really. The Quebec Act of 1774, 14 Geo. III c. 83 although from the Imperial Government's perspective all about making Quebec a peaceful province, was seen in the thirteen Atlantic Colonies as being part and parcel of the the Coercive Acts/Intolerable Acts. Its provisions were seen by most in the Atlantic Colonies as being trial of a new model for British colonial administration, which would strip the colonies of their elected assemblies. Also although the Imperial Government failed to appreciate it, the colonies had fought hard in the French and Indian/Seven Years War, and it seemed to them that the Quebec Act in seemingly voiding the charter rights of most of the Atlantic Colonies to western lands was rewarding the losers in Quebec.

Of course the irony was while it was a significant burr under the saddle in the thirteen colonies, in Quebec itself it was in principle measure liked only by the Roman Catholic Clergy and Seigneurs.

 

[John Henry]

None of which has anything to do with the topic, which lies entirely beyond provincial powers. Try to keep up.

People are calling names of people who wish the Conservatives back into power . Just pointing out how many stupid people voted for the Fiberals and where most of the votes came from . Ever hear of Toronto . Full of stupid people that will vote back in the crooks that were in before. Point taken . Blind followers of the Conservatives compared to the Blind Followers of the Fiberal Party who mostly live in the City of Toronto . Get the picture !!!

Keep up yourself old timer . Where have you been through out the entire thread . Just waking up from your long needed rest . Just putting a new spin on things . Didn't know that your so old that it takes you so long to get through a thread . LOL

 

[basketcase]

Don't worry, Harper will not do anything nasty; He is solidly on the side of the jews.

And dan's racial views slip out once again.

 

[basketcase]

Let me clarify, The french were the first to settle in this country.

So if the French were the first to settle, then what were the natives doing for all that time?

I believe that Portuguese (or was it Basque?) and British fishermen were based in Newfoundland before the French went to Quebec City. It's been a while since I've been to the rock but I remember plaques with dates going back to the 1500's.

But of course that became irrelevant when France lost a war and ceded the land to Britain.

 

[red]

So if the French were the first to settle, then what were the natives doing for all that time?

I believe that Portuguese (or was it Basque?) and British fishermen were based in Newfoundland before the French went to Quebec City. It's been a while since I've been to the rock but I remember plaques with dates going back to the 1500's.

But of course that became irrelevant when France lost a war and ceded the land to Britain.

The natives were restless. So they didn't settle down

 

[red]

Treating citizens differently is wrong and illegal.

If they lied on their immigration documents then they can be stripped of their citizenship.

If someone commits a terrorist act then that's why we built prisons. When the sentence is served then they rejoin Canadian society

 

[wilbur]

Point one basically so.

As to your second point , not really. The Quebec Act of 1774, 14 Geo. III c. 83 although from the Imperial Government's perspective all about making Quebec a peaceful province, was seen in the thirteen Atlantic Colonies as being part and parcel of the the Coercive Acts/Intolerable Acts. Its provisions were seen by most in the Atlantic Colonies as being trial of a new model for British colonial administration, which would strip the colonies of their elected assemblies. Also although the Imperial Government failed to appreciate it, the colonies had fought hard in the French and Indian/Seven Years War, and it seemed to them that the Quebec Act in seemingly voiding the charter rights of most of the Atlantic Colonies to western lands was rewarding the losers in Quebec.

Of course the irony was while it was a significant burr under the saddle in the thirteen colonies, in Quebec itself it was in principle measure liked only by the Roman Catholic Clergy and Seigneurs.

London may have been naive in transferring to the Province of Quebec lands west of the 13 colonies, as well as guaranteeing the conquered inhabitants their language, religion and legal system, not to mention sparing them from deportation; this was unprecedented in British history, and even the Scots were forbidden to speak Gallic and wear tartans after the defeat of the Jacobite rebellion. The Americans were infuriated that they did not reap the windfall they expected after having participated in most of the battles against the French up to 1759. But the main reason for the American revolution was the high taxes levied on the American colonies by London in order to pay the huge debts incurred during the 7 years war against France.

In any case, the Act of Quebec was proclaimed in 1774, and the American revolutionary attack on the Province of Quebec took place in 1775. No matter the reason, Sir Guy Carleton, the Governor of British North America, had barely escaped being captured in Montreal by Montgomery, and upon his retreat to Quebec City, realized that the garrison of British regulars there was too small to prevent Quebec and then the rest of British North America from falling to the Americans. He had to reactivate the French Canadian militia. He gave every able bodied male within the ramparts of Quebec 4 days to decide whether to leave or to join the militia. 543 enrolled in the Canadien led militia and few left. Along with fighting for the Crown came more rights, culminating in the Constitution Act of 1791 that created Upper and Lower Canada, including their legislative assemblies.

Despite the American fury at the unprecedented largesse granted by the British to the French Canadians, the Americans made frequent overtures to the Canadien to join them in overturning British 'oppression', from 1775, to the war of 1812, to Louis-Joseph Papineau during his exile in the US after the rebellion of 1837, and even during the Fenian raids. But they stuck with the Crown.

Without the French Canadian militia, Quebec and British North America would have fallen to the Americans in 1775.

The popular notion amongst Canadians is that the 'French' should have been assimilated or deported after the Plains of Abraham, but should basically keep their mouths shut and this bilingualism nonsense should end. But Quebec is French speaking and Canada bilingual because the British needed them at a critical moment in history. The same happened again in 1813 at the battle of Chateauguay.

 

[oldjones]

London may have been naive in transferring to the Province of Quebec lands west of the 13 colonies, as well as guaranteeing the conquered inhabitants their language, religion and legal system, not to mention sparing them from deportation; this was unprecedented in British history, and even the Scots were forbidden to speak Gallic and wear tartans after the defeat of the Jacobite rebellion. The Americans were infuriated that they did not reap the windfall they expected after having participated in most of the battles against the French up to 1759. But the main reason for the American revolution was the high taxes levied on the American colonies by London in order to pay the huge debts incurred during the 7 years war against France.

In any case, the Act of Quebec was proclaimed in 1774, and the American revolutionary attack on the Province of Quebec took place in 1775. No matter the reason, Sir Guy Carleton, the Governor of British North America, had barely escaped being captured in Montreal by Montgomery, and upon his retreat to Quebec City, realized that the garrison of British regulars there was too small to prevent Quebec and then the rest of British North America from falling to the Americans. He had to reactivate the French Canadian militia. He gave every able bodied male within the ramparts of Quebec 4 days to decide whether to leave or to join the militia. 543 enrolled in the Canadien led militia and few left. Along with fighting for the Crown came more rights, culminating in the Constitution Act of 1791 that created Upper and Lower Canada, including their legislative assemblies.

Despite the American fury at the unprecedented largesse granted by the British to the French Canadians, the Americans made frequent overtures to the Canadien to join them in overturning British 'oppression', from 1775, to the war of 1812, to Louis-Joseph Papineau during his exile in the US after the rebellion of 1837, and even during the Fenian raids. But they stuck with the Crown.

Without the French Canadian militia, Quebec and British North America would have fallen to the Americans in 1775.

The popular notion amongst Canadians is that the 'French' should have been assimilated or deported after the Plains of Abraham, but should basically keep their mouths shut and this bilingualism nonsense should end. But Quebec is French speaking and Canada bilingual because the British needed them at a critical moment in history. The same happened again in 1813 at the battle of Chateauguay.

It's all in your point of view isn't it? Britain saw 1759 as the conquest of New France, which extended from the mouth of the St Lawrence to the mouth of the Mississippi. To keep the peace they didn't divide what they now considered their territory as the spoils of war which their Colonists dearly wanted. To those Americans — among them the young George Washington whose troops had started the war — the whole effort was to meant to acquire those lands for their use, not for the resident Canadiens, nor even the non-resident fellow Brits who could now sail right into the continent's centre, avoiding the rambunctions of the Atlantic seaboard entirely. For their part the Canadiens, appreciated their conquerors' forbearance and refused to see themselves as oppressed when American liberators under the same generals offered to liberate them. And France continued to see the unoccupied (as seen by white folks) part of its territories in the southwest as New France, and available for sale when the new Emperor needed cash.

 

[Anynym]

There is nothing in this new law that treats any citizen any different from any other.

The simple fact is that it is possible for ANY citizen to renounce their Canadian citizenship; however, one of the necessary components of such a revocation is to have another citizenship - you cannot become stateless by renunciation of citizenship.

This law simply acknowledges that certain acts are included in the list of things which are deemed as to be a willful renunciation of Canadian citizenship, and is also in place or being considered in other countries around the globe.