DoFo says another lockdown 'on the 'table'

[canada-man]

The huge problem I see coming is that if 30 percent of people refuse to be vaccinated, this plague will never end.

We will continually be locking down because there will be no shortage of hosts for this virus and the ICUs will forever be overloaded.

They are going to have to enact legislation to FORCE people to be vaccinated.

ICUs are not being overloaded there are over 2000 icu rooms

this is and was nev a plague covid 19 is another name foor the latest flu strain. the average age of deaths is 82-84

the recovery rate for the covid boogey man virus is 99.98% the flu is more deadly especially to children

back in 2017-2018 flu season hospitals where overloaded with flu cases

Hospitals Overwhelmed by Flu Patients Are Treating Them in Tents | Time

Surgeries postponed after severe flu cases overwhelmed Toronto ICU

At least one Toronto hospital has had to delay elective surgeries as patients with severe influenza complications have overwhelmed local ICUs.

toronto.citynews.ca

most death cases are elderly from the covid boogeyman have 2 or more pre-existing conditions that are slowly killing them


turn off your tv.

 

[squeezer]

The huge problem I see coming is that if 30 percent of people refuse to be vaccinated, this plague will never end.

We will continually be locking down because there will be no shortage of hosts for this virus and the ICUs will forever be overloaded.

They are going to have to enact legislation to FORCE people to be vaccinated.

The way I see it and the way I would be if I were in charge is to first try to innoculate as many people as possible with just coaxing and offering free shots. The majority will comply because the majority of the population realizes this is the only way to end this pandemic and return to normal. After all the vaccines have been injected fully, double dosed and into every willing arm, they will reassess. If hospitalizations are down and cases are down they will leave things alone. If they find that the unwashed are causing mutations and still burdening the hospital, policies will come in Federally in most countries i.e. passports, ID, etc. Employers, businesses, schools will have vaccination policies to protect staff and customers.

 

[mandrill]

The huge problem I see coming is that if 30 percent of people refuse to be vaccinated, this plague will never end.

We will continually be locking down because there will be no shortage of hosts for this virus and the ICUs will forever be overloaded.

They are going to have to enact legislation to FORCE people to be vaccinated.

I believe that one can achieve herd immunity with far less than 100% vaccination. The virus simply dwindles and fades out if its opportunities to continue to spread are curtailed at even the 70% level.

 

[Cheeta]

Lockdowns brought the numbers down, reopening brought them back up with a vengeance under the variants. MAN, do you get anything right? Even Phil can attest to this!

After 2nd wave England has shutdown everything now 4 months. Here we open and close. There are no thinking what they open. Retail such as malls , hair saloon , nail saloon are open. In England none of those are open and will be open in phases as of April 27th.

Failure of government at all level in understanding COVID is very clear. England learned the hard way. They will not have a 3rd wave but the time they open everything in June.. Most people will be vaccinated.

Health care system in countries like England, Germany , France and so on is much more superior than Canada with vast number of hospitals across the countries. These countries the federal government is on the control not like like Canada. Trudeau does not want to take responsibility using his authorizes. Hopefully we will be in complete lockdown for at least 3 months till most of us can get 1 shot of vaccine. Otherwise we are losing the battle with COVID real fast.

 

[mandrill]

After 2nd wave England has shutdown everything now 4 months. Here we open and close. There are no thinking what they open. Retail such as malls , hair saloon , nail saloon are open. In England none of those are open and will be open in phases as of April 27th.

Failure of government at all level in understanding COVID is very clear. England learned the hard way. They will not have a 3rd wave but the time they open everything in June.. Most people will be vaccinated.

Health care system in countries like England, Germany , France and so on is much more superior than Canada with vast number of hospitals across the countries. These countries the federal government is on the control not like like Canada. Trudeau does not want to take responsibility using his authorizes. Hopefully we will be in complete lockdown for at least 3 months till most of us can get 1 shot of vaccine. Otherwise we are losing the battle with COVID real fast.

Health and hospitals is constitutionally a provincial area of jurisdiction. While the feds can he helpful, it's all on the provinces.

 

[TeeJay]

ICUs are not being overloaded there are over 2000 icu rooms

turn off your tv.

Covid Round Table yesterday made (another) baseless prediction that 800 people will be in ICU by months end (April)

Seeing as they have NEVER been close to correct yet care to wager they are wrong again?

And this is AFTER we discovered they have falsely inflated ICU occupancy as we speak (+27 counting people who are testing NEGATIVE for Covid so current "record high" is also #FakeNews)

 

[doggystyle99]

ON inoculated over 3 million people (out of a population of 15 million... this must be a province of dinosaurs lol)
ON reserved vaccine for old people and at risk communities first

Old people do not protest, usually wear masks, shop at separate hours from young people, and generally stay home

So assuming any of the nonsense you spout is vaguely true why exactly is Ford peeing his pants again?

More TeeJay facts.

Every time you post there is something new that you need to be thought.

in·oc·u·late

treat (a person or animal) with a vaccine to produce immunity against a disease.
"he inoculated his tenants against smallpox"

Don't confuse yourself with the numbers of vaccines doses given and the number of people who are inoculated, they are two different things in this case.

 

[james t kirk]

I believe that one can achieve herd immunity with far less than 100% vaccination. The virus simply dwindles and fades out if its opportunities to continue to spread are curtailed at even the 70% level.

Only one problem. This virus is mutating to be more virulent, not less. The figure of 70% applies to a normal virus which when it mutates becomes less aggressive. This one becomes more aggressive.

 

[fall]

I actually agree restaurants should be compensated for stock and other opening expenses due to the unforeseeable hardships through no fault of their own. As I've mentioned before I do feel very bad for small business folks but I also blame folks with your bent pandemic thinking prolonging lockdowns by fighting regulations and assisting with some of the spread.

I love this thinking . Compensated by whom??? By us? The taxpayers. No, thank you, we have paid too much already.

 

[fall]

The huge problem I see coming is that if 30 percent of people refuse to be vaccinated, this plague will never end.

We will continually be locking down because there will be no shortage of hosts for this virus and the ICUs will forever be overloaded.

They are going to have to enact legislation to FORCE people to be vaccinated.

And why we should lock down? After all willing people get the vaccine, why should we still be in lock down? If someone refuses to get vaccine, it is on them and, eventually, either most of them get immunity after a short period of illness or will never get a virus. Either way the heard immunity will be reached.

 

[Valcazar]

I believe that one can achieve herd immunity with far less than 100% vaccination. The virus simply dwindles and fades out if its opportunities to continue to spread are curtailed at even the 70% level.

The basic rule is herd immunity happens at 1- 1/R0
That means for herd immunity to work with only 70% of the population vaccinated the R0 would have to be 3 or less. (a bit higher actually). If I recall, most indications were that it was somewhere around 2/2.5 so 70% should work.

 

[mandrill]

Only one problem. This virus is mutating to be more virulent, not less. The figure of 70% applies to a normal virus which when it mutates becomes less aggressive. This one becomes more aggressive.

They normally become more contagious and less lethal. An unsuccessful virus is one that kills its hosts and does not transmit easily.

 

[TeeJay]

More TeeJay facts.

Every time you post there is something new that you need to be thought.

in·oc·u·late

treat (a person or animal) with a vaccine to produce immunity against a disease.
"he inoculated his tenants against smallpox"

Don't confuse yourself with the numbers of vaccines doses given and the number of people who are inoculated, they are two different things in this case.

They have given 1st doses to 3+ million
That is what is on their own webpage lol

Your english is also incorrect
Vaccinate is the most narrow definition
Inoculate INCLUDES vaccinate

(so it is possible a person inoculated has not been vaccinated, every person who has been vaccinated has been inoculated)

Since I know you always try and fob off facts that you do not understand:

"Vaccinate" vs. "Inoculate" vs. "Immunize": What Are The Differences?

In combatting the COVID-19 pandemic, the words "vaccinate," "inoculate," and "immunize" come up in headlines daily. Can they be used interchangeably, though?

www.dictionary.com

 

[New World]

Several Doctors who are on the Health table have appeared on CTV, CBC, and everyone favorite fake news channel CP24 and stated our vacination strategy is incorrect. When will Ford grow some balls and fire Williams?

 

[Cheeta]

There are lawsuit against Federal and provincial govts regarding interval between vaccine. 4 months interval is something Canada does only. The effectiveness of vaccine will dissipate fast with people with low immune system.

 

[bazokajoe]

They have given 1st doses to 3+ million
That is what is on their own webpage lol

Your english is also incorrect
Vaccinate is the most narrow definition
Inoculate INCLUDES vaccinate

(so it is possible a person inoculated has not been vaccinated, every person who has been vaccinated has been inoculated)

Since I know you always try and fob off facts that you do not understand:

"Vaccinate" vs. "Inoculate" vs. "Immunize": What Are The Differences?

In combatting the COVID-19 pandemic, the words "vaccinate," "inoculate," and "immunize" come up in headlines daily. Can they be used interchangeably, though?

www.dictionary.com

More bullshit from TJ
Ontario website says total doses administered 2,276,313.
Far cry from 3+ million

COVID‑19 vaccines

Learn about Ontario’s vaccination program to help protect us against COVID‑19 and how to book a vaccine. The Ministry of Health has released its plan to connect Ontarians to the tools they need to stay safe this respiratory illness season. This includes making flu, RSV and new COVID-19 XBB...

covid-19.ontario.ca

 

[Valcazar]

They normally become more contagious and less lethal. An unsuccessful virus is one that kills its hosts and does not transmit easily.

It's more complicated than that, of course, but as a rule of thumb that's right. The issue is that with a virus that transmits well while asymptomatic there is much less pressure to become less lethal. If it can spread well and then kills you on the back end, it has no pressure to stop doing that. It is only if it kills you before it can spread that it fucks itself.

There are lawsuit against Federal and provincial govts regarding interval between vaccine. 4 months interval is something Canada does only. The effectiveness of vaccine will dissipate fast with people with low immune system.

We really don't know. No one has data on this.

 

[mandrill]

There are lawsuit against Federal and provincial govts regarding interval between vaccine. 4 months interval is something Canada does only. The effectiveness of vaccine will dissipate fast with people with low immune system.

the lawsuit will go nowhere. No judge is going to whack the government for not providing vaccines that it doesn't have.

 

[mandrill]

It's more complicated than that, of course, but as a rule of thumb that's right. The issue is that with a virus that transmits well while asymptomatic there is much less pressure to become less lethal. If it can spread well and then kills you on the back end, it has no pressure to stop doing that. It is only if it kills you before it can spread that it fucks itself.

IIRC the classic case is the bubonic plage, which spread very effectively, but also killed itself out of existence in Europe in only 2 years.

 

[squeezer]

More bullshit from TJ
Ontario website says total doses administered 2,276,313.
Far cry from 3+ million

COVID‑19 vaccines

Learn about Ontario’s vaccination program to help protect us against COVID‑19 and how to book a vaccine. The Ministry of Health has released its plan to connect Ontarians to the tools they need to stay safe this respiratory illness season. This includes making flu, RSV and new COVID-19 XBB...

covid-19.ontario.ca

Come on! Stop picking on Slim Teejay!