does musical tastes determine your intelligence?

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YOUR taste in music reflects your intelligence – and Beyonce fans are among the most stupid, it was claimed today.
Devotees of the Destiny’s Child star came close to the bottom of the pile in a student’s comparison between exam results and musical tastes.

But they are not the worst of the worst – unless they are also fans of rapper Lil’ Wayne – because his followers are deemed the least intelligent.

Devotees of Justin Timberlake and Jay-Z also ranked low in the scale, it was claimed.

They are among the findings of the probe by Virgil Griffiths, a PhD student in America, who puts Beethoven listeners as far and away the smartest.


Griffith compared students’ scores in SAT exams with their favourite music acts and genres by analysing data on social networking sites.

Those who prefer Indie music are most intelligent, while gospel, pop and rock fans were all ranked at the lower end of the scale.

Fans of legendary acts like Queen, The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Frank Sinatra and Bob Marley are all around average and above when it comes to brains, according to Griffith’s graph.

And Radiohead, U2 and Bob Dylan count some of the more intelligent people among their fans.

Those who are mad about pop music did not fare well in the analysis.

As well as Beyonce, fans of Justin Timberlake and Jay-Z both ranked at the bottom of the scale.

Their supporters all got below 1,000 in SAT scores, with the average being a mark of 1071 out of 1600. Fans of composer Beethoven were way ahead of the rest with a score of more than 1300.

British bands Coldplay, Muse and Oasis all came in dead central in the "Music that makes you dumb" graph.

On his website, of the same name, Griffith describes the results of his study as “hilarity incarnate”.

He introduces the test by saying: “I’ve listened to artists who after listening to I thought to myself ’Wow... loving this rubbish says a lot about someone and how much they got going on in their head’.

“Could one’s musical tastes say something about intelligence?”


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2315392.ece
 
canada-man said:
As well as Beyonce, fans of Justin Timberlake and Jay-Z both ranked at the bottom of the scale.

Their supporters all got below 1,000 in SAT scores, with the average being a mark of 1071 out of 1600. Fans of composer Beethoven were way ahead of the rest with a score of more than 1300.
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How is the average 1071 if all the scores were below 1000?
And was the sample of SAT takers (high school) who claimed to like Beethoven statistically valid?
And are SATs a legitimate intelligence test?
Oh, there's so much wrong with this kind of pop pseudo-science. People just use it to reinforce stereotypes they want to believe.
 
http://stats.org/faq_vs.htm - as a reminder as the media always messes up the distinction.

I'd suggest checking out his site, it'll save you a lot of time in deciding whether it's worth debating the merits of his 'study'. He is doing this to measure a correlation between a students musical tastes and "smartitude". :rolleyes:
http://musicthatmakesyoudumb.virgil.gr/
 
Does age have anything to do with it? I do not know many people under 35 that listen to Dylan.
 
canada-man said:
the graph


http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=38416








YOUR taste in music reflects your intelligence – and Beyonce fans are among the most stupid, it was claimed today.
Devotees of the Destiny’s Child star came close to the bottom of the pile in a student’s comparison between exam results and musical tastes.

But they are not the worst of the worst – unless they are also fans of rapper Lil’ Wayne – because his followers are deemed the least intelligent.

Devotees of Justin Timberlake and Jay-Z also ranked low in the scale, it was claimed.

They are among the findings of the probe by Virgil Griffiths, a PhD student in America, who puts Beethoven listeners as far and away the smartest.


Griffith compared students’ scores in SAT exams with their favourite music acts and genres by analysing data on social networking sites.

Those who prefer Indie music are most intelligent, while gospel, pop and rock fans were all ranked at the lower end of the scale.

Fans of legendary acts like Queen, The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Frank Sinatra and Bob Marley are all around average and above when it comes to brains, according to Griffith’s graph.

And Radiohead, U2 and Bob Dylan count some of the more intelligent people among their fans.

Those who are mad about pop music did not fare well in the analysis.

As well as Beyonce, fans of Justin Timberlake and Jay-Z both ranked at the bottom of the scale.

Their supporters all got below 1,000 in SAT scores, with the average being a mark of 1071 out of 1600. Fans of composer Beethoven were way ahead of the rest with a score of more than 1300.

British bands Coldplay, Muse and Oasis all came in dead central in the "Music that makes you dumb" graph.

On his website, of the same name, Griffith describes the results of his study as “hilarity incarnate”.

He introduces the test by saying: “I’ve listened to artists who after listening to I thought to myself ’Wow... loving this rubbish says a lot about someone and how much they got going on in their head’.

“Could one’s musical tastes say something about intelligence?”


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2315392.ece
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Thanks for another interesting post. To answer your question, absolutely not.

A person's taste in music has so many variences. One example would be in relation to life experiences. This study in itself was a little moronic and judgemental.

A person's perceptions and their over all outlook on anything in life has to do with an open mind more than living within a sealed tight box. To have a wide range in musical tastes is a plus more than anything. Just because a person likes hard core rap does not make them dumb.

Beyonce must be doing something right, as she is listed in Forbes magazine. There is something intelligent about that.
 
I've ranted about the quality of popular music going downhill since the 80's when I was in college. It's even worse now.

Still, Virgil forgot one little factor: correlation does not equal causation

It's a huge fallacy in critical thinking.
 
Angela@Mirage said:
Beyonce must be doing something right, as she is listed in Forbes magazine. There is something intelligent about that.
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The study doesn't negate her intelligence, only her fans'. Jerry Springer is a millionaire, too.
 
rayfinkel said:
Rock/Alternative Rock = Intelligent or semi-intelligent

Hip Hop/Rap = Dumber than a bag of hammers.


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I got nothing against the Black community, nor do I listen to much Rock but I totally agree with your statement.

I personally know how much influence music/musicians can have on teens, and I'd ban hiphop if I could.... especially looking at the amount of crap they put out... I think every rap song today doesn't go deeper than bling blings, cars, asses, mansions, grills, wheels, clubs, jail, titties
 
dreamblade said:
The study doesn't negate her intelligence, only her fans'. Jerry Springer is a millionaire, too.
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I got that. I was basically saying that she is a great role model for many people. I like Jerry because he is a smart guy. I do not like his show personally, but he is doing something right as his trashy show brings big ratings.
 
LKD said:
I got nothing against the Black community, nor do I listen to much Rock but I totally agree with your statement.

I personally know how much influence music/musicians can have on teens, and I'd ban hiphop if I could.... especially looking at the amount of crap they put out... I think every rap song today doesn't go deeper than bling blings, cars, asses, mansions, grills, wheels, clubs, jail, titties
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No way. If you are taught from a young age that is simply marketing and all of it is just acting to bring in big bucks, an intelligable child would know the difference. Yes alot of rap is from the street culture. These artists are sharing their life experiences with us. Artists should not have to babysit our children. They are out their making a good living. If a teen decides to be a ganster, that is his unfortunate choice. Let's not blame the media.
 
I think the study is ass backwards. It is not the type of music that one listens to that determines ones intelligence, but ones intelligence that determines the type of music one listens to. I would be very interested to see where listeners of Steely Dan, Chick Corea, and Yo Yo Ma rank on the list.

Many people listen to music because it has a good beat and can put one in a trance, others listen to music because of the complex, melodic harmonies that awaken the senses.

Correlation between the two? I would suspect so.
 
Doesn't make sense.
I have a 175 IQ (tested way back in adolescence in the 80's) and through H.S. listened to rap/hip hop, Reggae & classical music as well as elvis & abba & the beatles.
just cuz I got a high I.Q. doesn't mean I have any idea how to figure out women though LMAO.
 
Davy.Biggie said:
Doesn't make sense.
I have a 175 IQ (tested way back in adolescence in the 80's) and through H.S. listened to rap/hip hop, Reggae & classical music as well as elvis & abba & the beatles.
just cuz I got a high I.Q. doesn't mean I have any idea how to figure out women though LMAO.
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Wow, that blows my IQ of 42 right out of the water!:eek:
 
Angela@Mirage said:
I got that. I was basically saying that she is a great role model for many people. I like Jerry because he is a smart guy. I do not like his show personally, but he is doing something right as his trashy show brings big ratings.
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big ratings do not mean smart or good.

Rush Limbaugh's show also brings in big ratings. I don't exactly see him as a good role model.

Paris Hilton doesn't generate that mass amount of publicity because of her brains.

Hell CNBC's financial news is #1 in the ratings. And it still will be even though Jon Stewart exposed them as a bunch of goofs.
 
Don said:
big ratings do not mean smart or good.

Rush Limbaugh's show also brings in big ratings. I don't exactly see him as a good role model.

Paris Hilton doesn't generate that mass amount of publicity because of her brains.

Hell CNBC's financial news is #1 in the ratings. And it still will be even though Jon Stewart exposed them as a bunch of goofs.
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It does when it is their bank account. I fuck for a living. People think I am dumb, but I am laughing all the way to the bank.
 
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