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Dutch Oven

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That you think that this is a logical argument or even a logical interpretation of what I said, is hilarious. I think you are either trolling, or you have a problem with reading comprehension or you comment for the sake of commenting to keep the thread going.
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Frankfooter

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How was that your take away from my sentence? Again, do you have a problem with reading comprehension or are you just trolling?
You said this:
I attribute that to Putin's early attempts to europeanize Russia, which failed. So he probably understood that he has to find new allies and reinforce Russia. However NATO expansion has always been a problem.
This finding new allies and reinforcing is all that Ukraine was doing with NATO.
You don't have a problem with Putin doing it, but do for Ukraine.
Why?
 

Frankfooter

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That you think that this is a logical argument or even a logical interpretation of what I said, is hilarious. I think you are either trolling, or you have a problem with reading comprehension or you comment for the sake of commenting to keep the thread going.
You've repeatedly stated you think Ukraine is a puppet state of the US.
Is that not true?
 

krealtarron

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You said this:


This finding new allies and reinforcing is all that Ukraine was doing with NATO.
You don't have a problem with Putin doing it, but do for Ukraine.
Why?
Ukraine isn't finding new allies and reinforcing. It isn't acting independently. Its corrupt politicians were being manipulated formerly by Russia and presently by the US. I am not okay with either meddling. But only one side's meddling has resulted in war - the west's.

Ukraine could have stayed neutral and developed good relations with both Russia and the west, and if Putin attacked then, I would have completely supported your argument. Not the case now. Zelensky the corrupt puppet is basically using his people, forcefully conscripting them, firing commanders who dare to even present a true picture of the frontlines, firing his close circles under charges of "corruption" to basically use his countrymen as meat shields doing the west's bidding. Proxy war 101. I wouldn't be surprised if he is getting kickbacks under the table and getting rich as we speak.
 
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krealtarron

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You've repeatedly stated you think Ukraine is a puppet state of the US.
Is that not true?
Yes. Your argument however, does not follow from that.
 

KDK13

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You folks are forgetting history- the Ukrainian people tossed out the Russian puppet Yanukovich who fled to Moscow after backing out of an EU agreement at the last minute in favor of a Russian one despite opposition. Hence the people revolted as Ukrainians wanted to be closer to the west not closer to Russia.

Also, Ukraine gave up its nukes in favor of security. Which the Russians violated.
 

Frankfooter

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Ukraine isn't finding new allies and reinforcing. It isn't acting independently. Its corrupt politicians were being manipulated formerly by Russia and presently by the US. I am not okay with either meddling. But only one side's meddling has resulted in war - the west's.

Ukraine could have stayed neutral and developed good relations with both Russia and the west, and if Putin attacked then, I would have completely supported your argument. Not the case now. Zelensky the corrupt puppet is basically using his people, forcefully conscripting them, firing commanders who dare to even present a true picture of the frontlines, firing his close circles under charges of "corruption" to basically use his countrymen as meat shields doing the west's bidding. Proxy war 101. I wouldn't be surprised if he is getting kickbacks under the table and getting rich as we speak.
Which is it, is Zelensky ordering all this or are they a puppet state and the US is somehow forcing them to do all this?

There is zero evidence to back up this claim that Ukraine is a puppet state.
 
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krealtarron

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Which is it, is Zelensky ordering all this or are they a puppet state and the US is somehow forcing them to do all this?

There is zero evidence to back up this claim that Ukraine is a puppet state.
As I said, go read about how the west has meddled in Ukraine than saying "nobody in this board believes this". I dont have the time to be educating you.

Start here:

 
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krealtarron

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I asked for proof not the opinion of an actor who is also a covid denier.
Nope it is not an opinion. It is a fact and he presents proof. Again, go watch it and take time to read about it. I am not going to spoon feed you.
 
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Frankfooter

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Nope it is not an opinion. It is a fact and he presents proof. Again, go watch it and take time to read about it. I am not going to spoon feed you.
Are his covid denial videos also 'fact'?

Are these 'facts' only available on an actors youtube channel or are they presented on any other form that can actually cite sources?
 

krealtarron

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Are his covid denial videos also 'fact'?

Are these 'facts' only available on an actors youtube channel or are they presented on any other form that can actually cite sources?
Stupid and irrelevant comment.
 

SchlongConery

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Nope it is not an opinion. It is a fact and he presents proof. Again, go watch it and take time to read about it. I am not going to spoon feed you.
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krealtarron

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Spoon feed him Russel Brand's nutritional supplements?
But it does not matter who it comes from. He speaks facts and presents proof to back it up which when you look at in a historical context of similar instances from the past, makes sense. Or you can choose to just buy the propaganda on CNN.
 
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krealtarron

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Not at all.
Establishing the credibility of your main source is fair.
If the opinion of a covid denying actor counts as the best source for 'facts' in your book that should be stated in all your posts.
As I said, Russell can be right about certain things, wrong about certain things On this issue he is right. Take things at face value, issue by issue, instead of engaging in group think.
 

Frankfooter

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As I said, Russell can be right about certain things, wrong about certain things On this issue he is right. Take things at face value, issue by issue, instead of engaging in group think.
As I said, if his claims are so solid they should be backed up by legit sources.
Quote from them, instead of from covid denying actors.
 
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SchlongConery

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But it does not matter who it comes from. He speaks facts and presents proof to back it up which when you look at in a historical context of similar instances from the past, makes sense. Or you can choose to just buy the propaganda on CNN.

Seriously? Back to saying I buy CNN propaganda? I thought you said I just hated Russia because of my "personal bias" based on my own family almost all being slaughtered by Russia?

Just goes to prove you have zero ability to absorb anything anyone contributes to the discussion.

Evil, ignorance and foolishness combined into one.

Among other things, you are unworthy of further engagement.
 

krealtarron

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Evil, ignorance and foolishness combined into one.

Among other things, you are unworthy of further engagement.
Yeah sure, everyone who calls for an END TO WAR, and speaks against ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL EXPLOITATION of Ukraine, is "evil, ignorant and foolish" and everyone who PROMOTES war, MANIPULATES UKRAINE INTO SELLING THEIR COUNTRY TO CORPORATIONS are "noble, brave and morally superior".

What an upside down world we live in. 🙃

PS: I was using CNN as a general catch all term for people who are unwilling to see the other side. In your case I do believe it is personal bias.
 

Frankfooter

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Yeah sure, everyone who calls for an END TO WAR, and speaks against ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL EXPLOITATION of Ukraine, is "evil, ignorant and foolish" and everyone who PROMOTES war, MANIPULATES UKRAINE INTO SELLING THEIR COUNTRY TO CORPORATIONS are "noble, brave and morally superior".

What an upside down world we live in. 🙃

PS: I was using CNN as a general catch all term for people who are unwilling to see the other side. In your case I do believe it is personal bias.
You don't speak for an end to war, you say Putin was justified in attacking Ukraine and NATO should be disbanded.
You make it sound like Ukraine deserves to be attacked and that the war should be called off so Putin can claim the land he's got now.

That makes it sound to everyone else here like you are defending a war of aggression started by Russia.
That's not anti-war.
 
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