Do you get jealous of her yearly earnings? Most escorts make more then thier clients?

[fall]

This thread, in other words:

"I'm a cheap bastard, and don't want to pay what the ladies are asking for. Let me throw out many words to justify my cheap bastardism".

That's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

You post rewritten: people are not allowed to discuss what I think they should not discuss. SPs are precious. Anyone who disagree with me is a bad person (substitute by any degrading word here).
Your post shows: You are a moron who cannot read and use logic. We are not chip, we pay the price and more. I, personally, almost always give a $20-$40 tip to agency SP/MA girls. Do you? And noone can tell me what I can or cannot discuss.

 

[bigbiz]

You post rewritten: people are not allowed to discuss what I think they should not discuss. SPs are precious. Anyone who disagree with me is a bad person (substitute by any degrading word here).
Your post shows: You are a moron who cannot read and use logic. We are not chip, we pay the price and more. I, personally, almost always give a $20-$40 tip to agency SP/MA girls (and not for "extra" service - for extras I pay way more). Do you? And noone can tell me what I can or cannot discuss.

I don't think you understood his sarcasm. I read it as a joke by gntlmn.

 

[fall]

Here is the summary of this thread as I see it. CL=clients, SP=SPs

CL: I am curious, how much SPs earns. Do they earns more than us?
SP: Not your business, we barely survive making almost minimal wage after the expenses
CL: wow, how it can be? Why you still in business? maybe you should work for an agency or somehow optimise your costs?
SP: We are doing fine. We make good living. We know better how to run our business
CL: But yet, if you work full-time and have 3-4 clients a day with reasonable holidays and vacation time, you should clear at least $100K after expenses.
SP: Your assumptions are wrong. We are lucky to get 1 client a day. Our costs are huge. 2 Clients a day is a full-time job because it is so stressful. Try it yourself and see.
CL: OK, but 2 clients is really small number and you have half a day free. Maybe take a regular job and call escort a part-time income. Or really go work for an agency or pool together to reduce expenses.
SP: You have no idea about our business. All your assumptions about number of clients and costs are wrong. we know best what to do.
CL: OK, so what are the correct number
SP: None of your business
CL: OK, so, let's assume 4 full-time (agency girl can definitely get 4 a day) and 2 full time, hotel + advertising are expenses.
SP: you cannot assume that, those numbers are wrong. Plus we need to pay accountant, fitness guru, photographer, and have plastic surgery
CL; We like you the way you are, with selfies and natural tits. So, what are the correct numbers
SP: None of your business
CL: OK, assume 4 full-time, 2 full-time
SP: You have no right to assume anything. It is not your business to count our money. You are not allowed to discuss how much we make?
CL: ??? But how can we argue with you if you do are not willing to give us the number or let us to assume/deduct those numbers on own own? And we never said that we are not willing to pay your rates. We are just curious.
SP: You are cheap bastards
CL: ??? OK we fail to see the logic, but OK. But can you at least tell us: so you prosper or survive on chicken and rice?
SP: Not your business you cheap bastards.
CL: OK, If you do not want to share info, it is OK. We will just discuss it among ourselves. We will make some assumptions and constract business models for different scenarios. It is fun to have some theoretical discussion and see if standard business models apply to SP economy.
SP: You are not allowed to do that!!!! We will not let you do to that!!!! You are cheap bastards!!!!. This discussion must be closed!!!!
CL ???
SP: You are cheap bastards!!!!


Did I miss anything?

 

[fall]

I don't think you understood his sarcasm. I read it as a joke by gntlmn.

If it is true, than it is definitely a higher level of sarcasm . Sorry for my misunderstanding.

 

[Gurney]

All that because Uber keep posting weird/bad worded/frustrated questions when he is drunk.

Originally it could have ask maybe "How much do you thing a MA/SP make ?" instead of the Jealous.

Why being Jealous ? What frustration do you have to be Jealous ? Are you Jealous of all the peoples that are making more then you ?

There is a lot to be Jealous of ...

Doctors are making more then you, Dentists, many business man/women and you still see them.

There is already a "prejudice" asking that question for MA/SP but not for others.

My comment that I did sometime ago wasn't about they should not do that much but that some of them are making lot and probably other that dont.
Who cares, in every field there is peoples making more then their counterpart doing "same job".

m2c

 

[Gntlmn]

You post rewritten: people are not allowed to discuss what I think they should not discuss. SPs are precious. Anyone who disagree with me is a bad person (substitute by any degrading word here).
Your post shows: You are a moron who cannot read and use logic. We are not chip, we pay the price and more. I, personally, almost always give a $20-$40 tip to agency SP/MA girls. Do you? And noone can tell me what I can or cannot discuss.

You're right. There's so much I didn't consider before posting. I shouldn't discuss it further.

 

[Gntlmn]

Dude, no offence but in other words you’re an idiot who throws away money. Being an aware buyer doesn’t make me cheap. I didn’t work my way up in life throwing money around. Having an escort claim her friends make 15000 to 45000 but another one spending 4000 to 30000 on photoshoots a year sounds good to you that’s your take. Good for you.

Now sit down and let the men have a discussion

You're right. There's so much I didn't consider before posting. I shouldn't discuss it further.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Why is this even a topic? I just don't understand why anyone gives a shit what the ladies make.

I shake my head at what terb is becoming. How the hell did it change from being an escort review board to a forum of any and all topics, including annual income of providers?

I'm from a generation where it is rude to ask income...rude to ask a lady's age or weight...etc...etc...

Guys, please, use a little common decency and leave this discussion to die.

I was taught that was well.

I don't discuss the wages of anyone except the employees and sub contractors I pay at my mainstream business. That is it.

I don't get why people insist on talking about others people money.

Maybe these guys should start talking about what they do and what they make.

Let's at least make this a comparisons for equality sake. But they won't. They just want to clam on that all sex workers make over 100K and don't pay taxes on it. That is the mindset and they will never change that, making this far from an open discussion and more a dictation to us ladies telling us what we make and to a point; for some, how to run our business.

For those wondering, I made and claimed on my taxes $36, 435 in 2018 and will be claiming roughly 43, 960 this year if my numbers are correct. Expense not included. Which will be much higher this year because I had hotel expenses that I didn't have the year before. There are some real numbers for you. That is my escort income only. Not from my mainstream business. With that added in I'm about 90k ish. That is two jobs to make less then 100k and I still owe taxes on it. Anyone want to guess how much that will be? So there is gross annual income for you. Again, on 2 jobs because one doesn't cover it.

Oh and curiousm7 - as for the comment I can't find which calls showbizz names, I was always taught not to do that. That was WAY over the top and uncalled for. I'm sarcastic with my comments but I don't flat out name call like that. First - Get a grip bud, is a forum. And second, you owe him an apology and thankfully to the mods - should be banned for the child like outburst.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Curiousm7 got banned with a BANG lol! Priceless, gotta love that grumpy old man.

40 posts in this one: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?693342-Cost-of-operation-for-an-Indy-Ma-or-Hybrid/page2

145 posts in this thread

Probably another 200 posts in previous threads.

It blows my mind that we STILL have people say this isn't a topic lol.

It's not that it's not a topic, it's that some of you don't want it to be a topic. But who are you to decide what others should be discussing?

Back to topic now:

Thank you for the numbers Jessica. Do you work full time or part time?

I see a lot of well known Canadian escorts with very expensive cars on their IG and twitters, along with non stop shots of Gucci brand name purses and clothing and jewelries and dinners and etc. I know they make more than me, unless most of those things are gifts? One thing is for sure, I'm not jealous.

My numbers were slightly off and I changed them. Sorry. Typing on a small phone with no coffee. Reading is a little blurry in the morning.

Full time - ish for main stream. I own the business but collect wages.

Part time escorting compared to others. But for me it is full time enough. I don't want to fuck 3/4 guys a day. It is not for me. I want to enjoy my jobs. Both of them. It is key to my happiness in life since it takes up at least half time.

And I would disagree, ugh respectfully (I'm trying), with the jealously. I think deep down you Are slightly. Why else bring up the luxury stuff??? I get it is kind of in your face with twitter but I don't comment on doctors driving luxury cars and I don't see you commenting on doctors driving luxury cars so what it is truly that is driving you in this conversation? Why do you care SO much?

I wouldn't say people say it is not a topic, what woman say is, our business shouldn't be your topic. Your job, your money, your lifestyle is not up for conversation. It seems really rude to me to be honest. And completely one sided. I would feel the same if you asked about my mainstream income too. Again, old school I guess. It was just not something we asked people back in the day.

Now it seems everything an escort does is up for conversation. To be nit picked and dissected for the masses. With everyone jumping in with an opinion. Maybe put yourself in our shoes and think how annoying it would be to see all these threads about you and your job. Would you still be game? I posted my numbers, will you post yours?

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Thanks for the nice post Jessica. I'll cover it when I have time

I'll just say for now, I'm not into doctors, I'm into escorts lol.

I'm very honest when I saw I'm not jealous about their luxury items. It's like rappers with their bling bling and stack of money, no jealousy.

As for your number, you escort part time, so it's not what the intent of the topic is on about imo. Unless we could extrapolate?

Anyway, thanks again for the great constructive post

We will have to agree to disagree on the jealousy. Sorry.

I'll be interested to see your numbers.

 

[fall]

A few comments about Jessica and Showbizz discussion above

First, I disagree with Jessica that noone should be interested in how much ON AVERAGE people working FULL TIME make in a given profession. After all, when students go to college, they chose their specialisation partially based on how much they will be expected to earn after graduation And I am pretty sure Jessica knows that average doctors make above $200K, average teacher makes around $80K, etc. Why AVERAGE earning of SP should be a secret?

Second, let's not compare apples and oranges. Despite Jessica believes that her SPing is "full-time enough for her" it is really a part-time job for her (based on her posted numbers, about 15 hours a month 10 month a years). And, given that, her fixed-cost represent a higher portion of her gross income. Nothing wrong with it: she feels it works for her and it is just a supplementary income. However, when we discuss a question "how much SPs make" we are not talking about "how much part-time SP makes" - it depends on how much they are willing to work. It would be the same as to look at the Dentist who decided to work only one day a week and say that dentists only make $50K a year. An SPs who want to work full-time do make between $100K and $200K and the proof is simple: it is what any agency decent girls can make on full-time schedule.

Third about jealousy: even if a client makes below $100K, while full-time SP makes $150K or above, it is not a reason to be jealous. Setting aside that (a) you make too little and (b) her job (if it is full time) is pretty hard, you have a life-time work skills and your wage will increase over time while the SP wage will decrease with age (and at some time she will have to quite or become "fun Valery"), And if you see SP with fancy stuff and on fancy vacation - it is not a reason for jealousy, it is reason to pity them. They simply cannot plan their long-term finances and blow money that they make instead of saving for when they will be over 40 y.o.

 

[JohnnyFever]

I think a lot of you are simply outside the target demographic for the more expensive providers. Those providers are selling a brand, the luxury experience. The kind of guy who wants that expects everything to reflect it, so the expenses will likewise reflect that. The expensive photo shoots, the upscale condo, etc. If you're haggling with Leolist providers to get the hourly rate below $250, you're not who they're marketing to. The business model reflects that too, just like the difference between a Burger King franchise and the kind of restaurant where the meals cost $100+.

Just to note - I'm very much in the Burger King realm myself, but I don't see the issue with more expensive providers.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

A few comments about Jessica and Showbizz discussion above

First, I disagree with Jessica that noone should be interested in how much ON AVERAGE people working FULL TIME make in a given profession. After all, when students go to college, they chose their specialisation partially based on how much they will be expected to earn after graduation And I am pretty sure Jessica knows that average doctors make above $200K, average teacher makes around $80K, etc. Why AVERAGE earning of SP should be a secret?

Second, let's not compare apples and oranges. Despite Jessica believes that her SPing is "full-time enough for her" it is really a part-time job for her (based on her posted numbers, about 15 hours a month 10 month a years). And, given that, her fixed-cost represent a higher portion of her gross income. Nothing wrong with it: she feels it works for her and it is just a supplementary income. However, when we discuss a question "how much SPs make" we are not talking about "how much part-time SP makes" - it depends on how much they are willing to work. It would be the same as to look at the Dentist who decided to work only one day a week and say that dentists only make $50K a year. An SPs who want to work full-time do make between $100K and $200K and the proof is simple: it is what any agency decent girls can make on full-time schedule.

Third about jealousy: even if a client makes below $100K, while full-time SP makes $150K or above, it is not a reason to be jealous. Setting aside that (a) you make too little and (b) her job (if it is full time) is pretty hard, you have a life-time work skills and your wage will increase over time while the SP wage will decrease with age (and at some time she will have to quite or become "fun Valery"), And if you see SP with fancy stuff and on fancy vacation - it is not a reason for jealousy, it is reason to pity them. They simply cannot plan their long-term finances and blow money that they make instead of saving for when they will be over 40 y.o.

1. I think the nitpicking over everything escort is an overly obsessive trait here on TERB. I was raised to not ask about others peoples money. Maybe you are younger then me or were not taught the same but I don't see you going on medical forums asking how much doctors make.

2. Clarification. I said I was part time in escorting. It was full time ish with my mainstream job. I am not trying to hide anything in that regard. I just explain how that part time escorting was enough for me.

3. I think it is jealously, this obsession to dissect an escorts earnings. I think it is jealously when guys comment about all the luxury items they see on Twitter. I know many alcoholics who deny having an issue so it is no surprise to me that many men here would deny the truth as well.

But we will again, just agree to disagree.

 

[itd131]

This thread is getting kinda ridiculous lol

I have worked a variety of jobs in my life and I find that people often tend to think that everyone else makes too much money and everyone else is overpaid. The jobs I have had over the years, no question, require a lot more dedication and effort than outsiders assume. My father used to tell me that if you think another person has it so easy and makes so much money, then go and get their job. I would say that comment definitely applies here.

Am I jealous. No, not at all. I like to make as much money as I can and I'm sure the women in this business do too. If a lady can run her own business, make good money, be happy and achieve her goals in life then good for her.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

This thread is getting kinda ridiculous lol

I have worked a variety of jobs in my life and I find that people often tend to think that everyone else makes too much money and everyone else is overpaid. The jobs I have had over the years, no question, require a lot more dedication and effort than outsiders assume. My father used to tell me that if you think another person has it so easy and makes so much money, then go and get their job. I would say that comment definitely applies here.

Am I jealous. No, not at all. I like to make as much money as I can and I'm sure the women in this business do too. If a lady can run her own business, make good money, be happy and achieve her goals in life then good for her.

That is the right answer.

 

[Theredmilf]

This thread is getting kinda ridiculous lol

I have worked a variety of jobs in my life and I find that people often tend to think that everyone else makes too much money and everyone else is overpaid. The jobs I have had over the years, no question, require a lot more dedication and effort than outsiders assume. My father used to tell me that if you think another person has it so easy and makes so much money, then go and get their job. I would say that comment definitely applies here.

Am I jealous. No, not at all. I like to make as much money as I can and I'm sure the women in this business do too. If a lady can run her own business, make good money, be happy and achieve her goals in life then good for her.

Very well said. Lots of providers make more than I do but instead of being jealous, I’m inspired by them. Jealousy is a great way to externalize your power and choke out gratitude. I learned a long time ago to improve, I need to play with people better than me. Reach up to seize your goals.

 

[fall]

There was two starting questions: (1) Are you jealous and (2) Do providers earn more than their clients (notice the question marks at the end of each questions at the first post). But right after the discussion about the second topic starts, some SPs, instead of either participating or not participating in respectful discussion, jump in trying to close this discussion ("not your business"), claim that they know better but do not want to listen to clients' arguments and suggestions and do not provide an arguments and facts to support their position (except for Ali), and, finally, side-railed into discussion about "high vs. low fees"

No SP still provided any arguments against these points:

1) Agency girl can easily have 4 hours of clients in 8 hour shift getting paid $160 per hour net (no expenses)
2) Full time is 5 days a week with generous 8 weeks a year vacation/holiday (i.e., 48 total work weeks)
3) (1) & (2) gives $153,600 net a year
4) If indi cannot make $150,000 net (after all expenses) per year, why they work as indi and not for an agency? If they chose to worlas indi, it means one or more of (a) they do not work ful time (b) indi work is less demanding than agency girl work or (c) their business is not run efficiently or (d) The indi model of business is not efficient as a class

And do not give me a BS that 4 hours of clients per day 5 days a week 10 month a year is too hard and emotionally stressful. Of course it is hard and stressful - it is part of the job (this is why it is a job for SPs, not a hobby) This is why SPs are paid so well without having to get a degree first.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

There was two starting questions: (1) Are you jealous and (2) Do providers earn more than their clients (notice the question marks at the end of each questions at the first post). But right after the discussion about the second topic starts, some SPs, instead of either participating or not participating in respectful discussion, jump in trying to close this discussion ("not your business"), claim that they know better but do not want to listen to clients' arguments and suggestions and do not provide an arguments and facts to support their position (except for Ali), and, finally, side-railed into discussion about "high vs. low fees"

No SP still provided any arguments against these points:

1) Agency girl can easily have 4 hours of clients in 8 hour shift getting paid $160 per hour net (no expenses)
2) Full time is 5 days a week with generous 8 weeks a year vacation/holiday (i.e., 48 total work weeks)
3) (1) & (2) gives $153,600 net a year
4) If indi cannot make $150,000 net (after all expenses) per year, why they work as indi and not for an agency? If they chose to worlas indi, it means one or more of (a) they do not work ful time (b) indi work is less demanding than agency girl work or (c) their business is not run efficiently or (d) The indi model of business is not efficient as a class

And do not give me a BS that 4 hours of clients per day 5 days a week 10 month a year is too hard and emotionally stressful. Of course it is hard and stressful - it is part of the job (this is why it is a job for SPs, not a hobby) This is why SPs are paid so well without having to get a degree first.

You forgot at least 12 weeks a year for period time.

But what does why an indie doesn't work for an agency have to do with the two question you say were not being answered to begin with.

So you get to go off topic and tell indies what they should be doing with their businesses but we can't say you shouldn't be discussing our business.

Seems rather one-sided, no?

 

[richaceg]

I'm just happy with the hot women who gives the effort to satisfy my needs...how much they make for doing it hopefully satisfies their needs and wants too...it's a 2 way street.

 

[Inara]

There was two starting questions: (1) Are you jealous and (2) Do providers earn more than their clients (notice the question marks at the end of each questions at the first post). But right after the discussion about the second topic starts, some SPs, instead of either participating or not participating in respectful discussion, jump in trying to close this discussion ("not your business"), claim that they know better but do not want to listen to clients' arguments and suggestions and do not provide an arguments and facts to support their position (except for Ali), and, finally, side-railed into discussion about "high vs. low fees"

No SP still provided any arguments against these points:

1) Agency girl can easily have 4 hours of clients in 8 hour shift getting paid $160 per hour net (no expenses)
2) Full time is 5 days a week with generous 8 weeks a year vacation/holiday (i.e., 48 total work weeks)
3) (1) & (2) gives $153,600 net a year
4) If indi cannot make $150,000 net (after all expenses) per year, why they work as indi and not for an agency? If they chose to worlas indi, it means one or more of (a) they do not work ful time (b) indi work is less demanding than agency girl work or (c) their business is not run efficiently or (d) The indi model of business is not efficient as a class

And do not give me a BS that 4 hours of clients per day 5 days a week 10 month a year is too hard and emotionally stressful. Of course it is hard and stressful - it is part of the job (this is why it is a job for SPs, not a hobby) This is why SPs are paid so well without having to get a degree first.

fall, trying to do math: