Do You Care That Justin Trudeau Smoked Pot As A MP?

[diehard]

If somebody passes you a joint and you're holding it, that is possession.

Even if the possession lasted one second?
I never possessed the substance, because I consumed it right away.

I thought possession was like hiding the substance in your pockets, or under your bed, but not during the act of consumption of a tiny amount....

What if I'm inhaling smoke from a bong, is that possession?

 

[Dougal Short]

If he said he hadn't, I'd say he was either weird or a liar. I can't believe this is even a talking point in 2013...

 

[diehard]

If he said he hadn't, I'd say he was either weird or a liar. I can't believe this is even a talking point in 2013...

The problem is that he did it while in office, so he "broke" the law while holding a position in government.

According to Harpo and hypocrites, it's a big sin, so he deserves to burn in hell ad aeternum.....

 

[fuji]

So what? He is just honest about it. What percent of sitting conservative mp's do you figure have done the same?

50%?

80%?

It sure as hell isn't zero. Helena wasn't the only conservative that knew how to party.

 

[diehard]

So what?

God kills a kitten every time pot is smoked.
It is against the law and you will go to hell.

 

[Julian]

Even if the possession lasted one second?
I never possessed the substance, because I consumed it right away.

I thought possession was like hiding the substance in your pockets, or under your bed, but not during the act of consumption of a tiny amount....

What if I'm inhaling smoke from a bong, is that possession?

Well believe it or not, you can be charged for trafficking just by passing a joint to somebody. As for the bong, I think technically, yes you can be charged for possession as there would be pot (or even pot residue) left in the bong...the thing about a possession charge is you have to be caught in the act of possessing...so you'd have to be apprehended while you actually caught smoking that joint/bong to be charged with possession.

 

[LaceyLust]

He is only human... weed is so common these days.

My parents always told me... and I feel this is relevant

"As long as you keep your grades up now. . And you work hard later, what you do on your down time is up to you..but take everything in moderation"

Everything (well not quite everything) can be ok if you dont let it control you. Having a drink on the weekend socially is ok... going to work drunk is not.

Its all about the time and the place. Thats the deciding factor on how it will look on you in the end.

 

[MattRoxx]

This gave me a big smile today:

Peter MacKay Misleading Canadians By Saying Trudeau Broke Law, Professor Sayshttp://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/08/26/peter-mackay-pot-trudeau_n_3816626.html

A law professor has accused Justice Minister Peter MacKay of misleading the public by saying Justin Trudeau broke the law by smoking pot.

While it is illegal to grow, traffic or possess marijuana, smoking weed is not a criminal offence.

University of Ottawa professor Amir Attaran has written to the Nova Scotia Barristers' Society asking that they investigate MacKay, a former provincial Crown prosecutor and, as the current Attorney General of Canada, the person charged with enforcing the rules of the land, for unprofessional conduct as a lawyer.

In reacting to a Huffington Post Canada story, in which the Liberal leader admitted to having taken a puff of a joint while sitting as an MP, MacKay repeatedly told the media that Trudeau broke the law.

"It’s currently against the law to smoke dope," MacKay said last week, in statements carried by CTV News.

In a letter obtained by HuffPost, Attaran told the Nova Scotia Barristers’ Society that MacKay appeared to have set out to attack Trudeau for partisan political purposes by accusing him in bad faith of "an imaginary criminal offence that does not actually exist."

"It is unprofessional for any lawyer — and reprehensible when the lawyer is also the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada — to mislead the public about the state of Parliament’s laws," Attaran wrote.
Attaran said the Attorney General is supposed to discharge of his duties independently, and free from partisan influence, in order for the public to have confidence in the justice system.

Attaran said he believes a correction of the misstatements, and a contrite public apology for misleading Canadians about the law would be sufficient enough punishment for MacKay.

 

[Dougal Short]

The problem is that he did it while in office, so he "broke" the law while holding a position in government.

According to Harpo and hypocrites, it's a big sin, so he deserves to burn in hell ad aeternum.....

Simple possession is such a minor crime though these days... On the books it's still a crime, but I think in reality, it's about equivalent to running a stop sign. Personally, I'm much more concerned about certain Senator's fraudulent spending habits that some young fella having a puff... I'd be curious to know where a well-known guy like him buys it "safely". Maybe he's got a little garden up there on The Hill.

Having said that, if was convicted, it would make travel to the Paranoid States of America tricky. I'm planning a trip to Belize with some friends and one of them was busted for possession 17 years ago, so can't go to the US. He's having to take a scenic route via Mexico and Guatemala!

 

[diehard]

This gave me a big smile today:

While it is illegal to grow, traffic or possess marijuana, smoking weed is not a criminal offence.

That is what I was referring to. Could someone please confirm the above?

 

[MattRoxx]

Simple possession is such a minor crime though these days... On the books it's still a crime, but I think in reality, it's about equivalent to running a stop sign. Personally, I'm much more concerned about certain Senator's fraudulent spending habits that some young fella having a puff... I'd be curious to know where a well-known guy like him buys it "safely". Maybe he's got a little garden up there on The Hill.

Having said that, if was convicted, it would make travel to the Paranoid States of America tricky. I'm planning a trip to Belize with some friends and one of them was busted for possession 17 years ago, so can't go to the US. He's having to take a scenic route via Mexico and Guatemala!

Yes even the police chiefs of Canada don't think simple possession is worth making an arrest.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...juana-possession-in-lieu-of-criminal-charges/

But the article above about MacKay is one more example of Harper's terrible decision making and poor choice of candidates for important jobs. Of course for Conservatives, belief in ideology is more important than facts and truth. As Defense Minister MacKay had lied to Canadians for a long time about the real cost of the F-35 program. Now he's been moved to being Justice Minister and found new ways to lie and misrepresent to the public.

diehard the confirmation is a precedent cited in Professor Attaran's letter of complaint:

Dear Sir or Madam,I am writing to file a complaint about an utterance by a member of the Nova Scotia Barristers’Society, Mr. Peter MacKay, who is also the current Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada. In a public statement carried on CTV, Mr. MacKay criticized Justin Trudeau for admitting that he smoked marijuana while a Member of Parliament. I attach a copy of the newsreport, in which Mr. MacKay is quoted to say:
“But this admission of smoking marijuana, breaking the law, doing so knowingly while he was a Member of Parliament...”“It’s currently against the law to smoke dope [i.e. marijuana]”
Mr. MacKay’s statements are dishonest in that they do not reflect the true state of Canadian law.While possessing marijuana is of course a criminal offence under section 4(1) of the
Controlled Drugs and Substances Act , it is not “against the law” or “breaking the law” to have smoked or consumed marijuana. This is uncontroversial, and as stated by the courts:
“It is trite law to point out that it is not an offence ‘to have smoked’ marijuana but rather it is the current possession of the substance which is proscribed.” R. v. Beilard
, [1986] 17 C.R.R. 375

Judging by the tone of Mr. MacKay’s entire statement, it appears that he set out to attack Mr.Trudeau for partisan political purposes, which he did in bad faith by accusing Mr. Trudeau of animaginary criminal offence that does not actually exist. I

 

[diehard]

diehard the confirmation is a precedent cited in Professor Attaran's letter of complaint:

.......... it is not “against the law” or “breaking the law” to have smoked or consumed marijuana. This is uncontroversial, and as stated by the courts:
“It is trite law to point out that it is not an offence ‘to have smoked’ marijuana but rather it is the current possession of the substance which is proscribed.”

R. v. Beilard, [1986] 17 C.R.R. 375

Excellent, will read.

 

[ogibowt]

Didn't you know? 40 is the new 20. At any rate, just because you may have some nits to pick about what is and isn't the vote being pandered to does not mean my premise is skewered [sic]. About 60 percent of Canadians want pot to be legalized, and if you think Trudeau's "admission" was anything other than a cynical ploy to gain support, I wanna try some of what you've been smoking!



edited to add this quote from the Liberal Party of Canada's own policy paper on legalization of marijuana: ...told you it was the knee-dipper vote they were trying to steal back.

again, if you do believe that the election will about anything other than the economy, then you are delusional...im not a supporter of trudeau, i think he is a light weight, but he answered a reporter,s question directly, something we all profess to want from our politicians, no?

 

[Olivia Ray]

Tried it in the past and found that it is not for me but certainly not critical of anyone who does indulge. I like this joke that was emailed to me. I thought it was appropriate for this thread.

"I think it is just terrible how everyone has treated Lance Armstrong, especially after what he achieved, winning seven Tour de France races while on drugs.

When I was on drugs, I couldn't even find my bike."

lol

 

[LickingGravity]

Yes even the police chiefs of Canada don't think simple possession is worth making an arrest.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...juana-possession-in-lieu-of-criminal-charges/

But the article above about MacKay is one more example of Harper's terrible decision making and poor choice of candidates for important jobs. Of course for Conservatives, belief in ideology is more important than facts and truth. As Defense Minister MacKay had lied to Canadians for a long time about the real cost of the F-35 program. Now he's been moved to being Justice Minister and found new ways to lie and misrepresent to the public.

diehard the confirmation is a precedent cited in Professor Attaran's letter of complaint:

Don't fall off your soapbox because you've been blazing again Did you actually read what you highlighted and do you understand what "trite" means? ....lol

The same as with any political party ( with the exception maybe of the Greens where it may be higher) probably 50% think its fine. I'm guessing a higher per cent than that would think it shouldn't be illegal. It shouldn't.

 

[diehard]

Did you actually read what you highlighted and do you understand what "trite" means? ....lol

“It is trite law to point out that it is not an offense ‘to have smoked’ marijuana but rather it is the current possession of the substance which is proscribed.”

R. v. Beilard, [1986] 17 C.R.R. 375

ok you got me here.

The term "trite law" used in that context. Please explain.

 

[LaceyLust]

"I think it is just terrible how everyone has treated Lance Armstrong, especially after what he achieved, winning seven Tour de France races while on drugs.

When I was on drugs, I couldn't even find my bike."

lol

I had to laugh at this quote! Too funny and too true !

 

[sircumsalot69]

Don't care...as others have said, it means he's normal!

But most importantly, he was honest!

 

[red]

If somebody passes you a joint and you're holding it, that is possession.

actually its sharing

 

[red]

is it worse to smoke up or to use a search and rescue helicopter as your personal taxi?