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DNA has perhaps solved the Whitechapel Murders

Aardvark154

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While I'd like to see the results published in a peer reviewed journal, it would appear that mitochondrial DNA analysis of biological stains on a shawl left at the site of the murder of Catherine Eddowes reveals spot on matches between samples on the shawl and Catherine Eddowes 3x Great Granddaughter and also the multiple Great Niece of Aaron Kosminski one of the principle suspects in the murders at the time.

So it would appear that Aaron Kosminski was Jack the Ripper.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iminal-126-years-string-terrible-murders.html
 

danmand

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While I'd like to see the results published in a peer reviewed journal, it would appear that mitochondrial DNA analysis of biological stains on a shawl left at the site of the murder of Catherine Eddowes reveals spot on matches between samples on the shawl and Catherine Eddowes 3x Great Granddaughter and also the multiple Great Niece of Aaron Kosminski one of the principle suspects in the murders at the time.

So it would appear that Aaron Kosminski was Jack the Ripper.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iminal-126-years-string-terrible-murders.html
Another attempt of whitewashing the royal family. Why am I not surprised you post it.
 

Bobzilla

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Interesting. The JTR crimes are kind of a hobby of mine, have many books and visited the scenes of the crimes, such as they are today. I've always subscribed to the theory that Kosminski (or someone much like him) was the Ripper. The only thing nagging me about the story is that the semen stain could have been on the shawl prior to the murder. Eddowes, like all the victims, was after all a prostitute.

And yes, the Royal Family connection was thoroughly debunked quite some time ago.
 

danmand

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Interesting. The JTR crimes are kind of a hobby of mine, have many books and visited the scenes of the crimes, such as they are today. I've always subscribed to the theory that Kosminski (or someone much like him) was the Ripper. The only thing nagging me about the story is that the semen stain could have been on the shawl prior to the murder. Eddowes, like all the victims, was after all a prostitute.

And yes, the Royal Family connection was thoroughly debunked quite some time ago.
Of course it was. Standard whitewashing of the royal family. Have any of them ever gotten a speeding ticket?
 

Celticman

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Of course it was. Standard whitewashing of the royal family. Have any of them ever gotten a speeding ticket?
Are you convinced that a member of the Royal Family is the Ripper?
 

Bobzilla

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Of course it was. Standard whitewashing of the royal family. Have any of them ever gotten a speeding ticket?
Omg, are you for real? Never mind, don't answer, lol.
 

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Interesting. The JTR crimes are kind of a hobby of mine, have many books and visited the scenes of the crimes, such as they are today. I've always subscribed to the theory that Kosminski (or someone much like him) was the Ripper. The only thing nagging me about the story is that the semen stain could have been on the shawl prior to the murder. Eddowes, like all the victims, was after all a prostitute.

And yes, the Royal Family connection was thoroughly debunked quite some time ago.
how can the JTR crimes become a hobby? if you cant really participate in solving it. but can only come up with ideas and theories.

for example, marilyn monroe's death is interesting to me. cause it doesn't make sense at all whatsoever. but then again, it could be along the lines of heath ledger's death and river phoenix's death and all those other drug overdoses by accident. such as Chris Farley died as a result of a drug overdose at the very young age of 33.

easy to write it off as just another hollywood drug culture tragedy.
 

Anynym

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Interesting. The JTR crimes are kind of a hobby of mine, have many books and visited the scenes of the crimes, such as they are today. I've always subscribed to the theory that Kosminski (or someone much like him) was the Ripper. The only thing nagging me about the story is that the semen stain could have been on the shawl prior to the murder. Eddowes, like all the victims, was after all a prostitute.

And yes, the Royal Family connection was thoroughly debunked quite some time ago.
It's been mentioned that the shawl might not have belonged to Eddowes but rather to JTR, she being rather poor and having sold a pair of shoes just the day before.

Either way, yes, it is conceivable that the shawl beloged to Eddowes, and that she had sex with AK prior to her death, and that AK still was not JTR. But it would be a long-shot coincidence.
 

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Of course it was. Standard whitewashing of the royal family. Have any of them ever gotten a speeding ticket?
Are you convinced that a member of the Royal Family is the Ripper?
You can't handle the truth, man! And it's clear as freaking day if only you had the eyes to see! A member of the Royal Family was indeed Jack the Ripper, and they were able to speed away from the scene of the crime every time unmolested. Stupid sheeple!

And on a related note...




 

Celticman

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You can't handle the truth, man! And it's clear as freaking day if only you had the eyes to see! A member of the Royal Family was indeed Jack the Ripper, and they were able to speed away from the scene of the crime every time unmolested. Stupid sheeple!
Well, we certainly do not need the late unlamented blackrock with you to fill the vituperative void that could have developed when he was banned. Or are you an alter vpn ego?
 

Bobzilla

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how can the JTR crimes become a hobby? if you cant really participate in solving it. but can only come up with ideas and theories.

for example, marilyn monroe's death is interesting to me. cause it doesn't make sense at all whatsoever. but then again, it could be along the lines of heath ledger's death and river phoenix's death and all those other drug overdoses by accident. such as Chris Farley died as a result of a drug overdose at the very young age of 33.

easy to write it off as just another hollywood drug culture tragedy.
How can it become a hobby? Easy. You spend time researching it, reading obscure reports, original source matter. And as I said, I've been to London 4 or 5 times, taking walking tours of the area, which is pretty creepy even today. I've always had an interest in history & this particular time period has a great mystery in it as well. There are lots of people who are involved in this way, hoping to find something that 1000's of other researchers have missed.
 

danmand

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The search turn back on the royal family:



Was It Aaron Kosminski? Jack the Ripper DNA Claims Get Ripped

By Alan Boyle


Does DNA analysis prove conclusively that a deranged Polish barber named Aaron Kosminski was behind the famous "Jack the Ripper" murders of the 19th century? The claim has stirred up a hue and cry among professional and amateur sleuths who have been following the case for decades — proving only that the evidence is far from conclusive.

"Literally, we see articles like this a couple of times a year, but this one has gone viral," said Stephen P. Ryder, executive editor of "Casebook: Jack the Ripper," an online database and forum for so-called "Ripperologists."

In a newly published book titled "Naming Jack the Ripper," amateur historian (and Ripper tour operator) Russell Edwards says he's certain that the DNA findings have solved a long-mysterious string of murders that terrorized the seamier streets of London starting in 1888. "Put the case to bed," he told ITV News. "We've done this."


But the chain of evidence would never hold up in a court: It's based on fresh analysis of DNA recovered from a century-old bloodstained scarf linked to one of Jack the Ripper's victims, Catherine Eddowes. Edwards' scientific collaborator, Jari Louhelainen of Liverpool John Moores University, has linked some of the DNA from the stains to the genetic signature of Eddowes' distant relatives. Another DNA signature, purportedly attributed to semen on the scarf, was linked to relatives of Kosminski.

Ripperologists have known about the scarf, as well as Kosminski's status as a suspect, for years. The new twist has to do with the DNA tests. "There's kind of a 'CSI Effect' going on," Ryder said. "People hear 'DNA,' and they think it's 100 percent solved."

It's not solved, as Ripperologists are only too happy to point out in the Casebook forum.

"I would dearly love to see a fully referenced, scientific, juried account of the testing and the associated processes," one commenter wrote. "It's intriguing, but as others have pointed out, there are so many issues even beyond the DNA. If anything, it's raising more questions, not generating answers."

The arguments over back-and-forth changes in the Wikipedia page for "Jack the Ripper" became so heated that the page has been protected from editing.

Debate over DNA

One of the reasons for the controversy has to do with the limitations of the DNA test that was used. Louhelainen could recover the genetic signature only from mitochondrial DNA, or mtDNA, rather than the nuclear DNA that serves as a unique identifier.

MtDNA is passed down from a mother to her children, and many people can share the same mtDNA signature. The signature linked to Kosminski, T1a1, is a relatively common subtype. Thus, the determination doesn't mean much unless the signature can be narrowed down to a rarer subtype, or unless additional evidence can be brought to bear (as was the case for identifying the remains of Russia's Czar Nicholas II and his family).

A larger question has to do with the scarf's history: It's been open to contamination for decades, and it's not even clear that it was really left behind by Eddowes (or her killer) after the 1888 murder. "In the community of so-called experts, it's not really considered evidence," Ryder said.

Another 'Case Closed' moment?

Then there's the fact that Kosminski doesn't match up all that well with descriptions of the killer by contemporary witnesses. He was just 23 years old and reportedly slight of build. In contrast, witnesses have described a heavier-built, somewhat older man as skulking around the scenes of the crimes.

Kosminski has long been on the list of usual Ripper suspects, thanks largely to references to a "Kosminski' in the writings of investigators, but many modern-day Ripperologists are doubtful he could have pulled off one of history's most infamous strings of serial killings.

"If it actually was Kosminski, this guy was a borderline raving lunatic," Ryder said. "This was not a criminal mastermind by any means."

Ryder said the latest claims were reminiscent of another "Case Closed" moment in the tale of Jack the Ripper — the time in 2002 when crime novelist Patricia Cornwell declared that Victorian-era painter Walter Sickert was the killer, based in part on mtDNA analysis of a licked stamp.

Since then, a string of other suspects (including a woman dubbed "Jackie the Ripper") have had their time in the historical spotlight. This just happens to be Aaron Kosminski's turn.

"Until I see anything more than what I've seen so far, it's like the Patricia Cornwell case," Ryder said.
 

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Well, we certainly do not need the late unlamented blackrock with you to fill the vituperative void that could have developed when he was banned. Or are you an alter vpn ego?
Did he? That's good...wasn't a fan.
 

shack

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how can the JTR crimes become a hobby? if you cant really participate in solving it. but can only come up with ideas and theories.
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Big deal. It is merely semantics on your part. It is patently obvious that "spending time studying" JtR crimes is the hobby being referred to.

Maybe he could have phrased it better, but it was hardly worth trying to bitch slap him (and failing).
 

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Danmand, you are so sure, even in light of this scientific evidence?
To be fair...people see scientific evidence of dinosaurs and evolution and are like "fuck that shit! 6 days and there we all were".

I bet the Royal Family fabricated all the neanderthal skeletons too...the bastards!!
 
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