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John Wick

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There is no such thing as a rat bag divorce lawyer. Divorce lawyers are helpful, caring, and are a powerful ally when you need one...I think your attitude towards lawyers needs to change and become much more informed and balanced.
Buddy...I have worked with lawyers in business and other for many many years. Spent hundreds of thousands for legal representation across myriad interests and obligations. One thing I am certain of is the nature of rat-bastard lawyers. Never met one, or heard of one from a credible source, that wasn't selfish, greedy, and interested in only one thing - personal monetary gain. They can all rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.
 

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Buddy...I have worked with lawyers in business and other for many many years. Spent hundreds of thousands for legal representation across myriad interests and obligations. One thing I am certain of is the nature of rat-bastard lawyers. Never met one, or heard of one from a credible source, that wasn't selfish, greedy, and interested in only one thing - personal monetary gain. They can all rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.
That seems rather harsh.

But accurate.
 

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Buddy...I have worked with lawyers in business and other for many many years. Spent hundreds of thousands for legal representation across myriad interests and obligations. One thing I am certain of is the nature of rat-bastard lawyers. Never met one, or heard of one from a credible source, that wasn't selfish, greedy, and interested in only one thing - personal monetary gain. They can all rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.
The key here is you hired them for business purposes. In other words to handle your own greedy enterprises. They only acted as the business world dictates.

I now lawyers as well. The corporate ones are indeed in it for the money.

And then i know a few defense attornies, and a few advocate types, and I can tell you they don't have the same priorities.

Your experiences I imagine are similar to what people walk away thinking when then have to deal with you. And like attracts like.
 

John Wick

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The key here is you hired them for business purposes. In other words to handle your own greedy enterprises. They only acted as the business world dictates.

I now lawyers as well. The corporate ones are indeed in it for the money.

And then i know a few defense attornies, and a few advocate types, and I can tell you they don't have the same priorities.

Your experiences I imagine are similar to what people walk away thinking when then have to deal with you. And like attracts like.
It's really unfortunate you never learned to read. Maybe go find a 3 year old who can help you with your reading and comprehension skills.
 

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But avoid the lawyer route if you can. Hire a mediator if you can't agree on issues. Don't get a lawyer, she gets a lawyer and they run up a huge bill. $700 in mediation will save you thousands. If the mediator works with a lawyer, they can draft up the intiial agreement as well. You retain your own lawyer to review/perfect it and you're done. Much cheaper this way.
This sounds like good well intentioned advice. Unfortunately it's completely wrong and inaccurate. I have heard from countless people that they tried mediation, spent thousands of dollars, numerous hours of their own time, and invested a lot emotionally in the process, only to get nowhere - and then they need to go see a lawyer anyway.

Nope, totally inaccurate.

I would add that my experience with a separation mediator was even worse.
Not a surprise. See what I mentioned above.

The key here is you hired them for business purposes. In other words to handle your own greedy enterprises. They only acted as the business world dictates.

I now lawyers as well. The corporate ones are indeed in it for the money.

And then i know a few defense attornies, and a few advocate types, and I can tell you they don't have the same priorities.

Your experiences I imagine are similar to what people walk away thinking when then have to deal with you. And like attracts like.
Perhaps this is the best post of 2020. Spot on.

Buddy...I have worked with lawyers in business and other for many many years. Spent hundreds of thousands for legal representation across myriad interests and obligations. One thing I am certain of is the nature of rat-bastard lawyers. Never met one, or heard of one from a credible source, that wasn't selfish, greedy, and interested in only one thing - personal monetary gain. They can all rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.
You seem to be a malcontent looking to blame lawyers or anyone else for all the problems in your life. Go ahead, if that makes you feel better.

It's really unfortunate you never learned to read. Maybe go find a 3 year old who can help you with your reading and comprehension skills.
And the above quote shows you are also an abusive individual. Abusive people tend to have some serious anger management issues.
 

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The key here is you hired them for business purposes. In other words to handle your own greedy enterprises. They only acted as the business world dictates.

I now lawyers as well. The corporate ones are indeed in it for the money.

And then i know a few defense attornies, and a few advocate types, and I can tell you they don't have the same priorities.

Your experiences I imagine are similar to what people walk away thinking when then have to deal with you. And like attracts like.
Wise words for reals :thumb:

Hopefully he realizes what you are saying here.
 

Butler1000

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It's really unfortunate you never learned to read. Maybe go find a 3 year old who can help you with your reading and comprehension skills.
Your own Sig proves your mindset. There are good altruistic in the legal profession.

You just happen to work with sharks because your business model demands it. And you are too cheap to pay for it.
 

Butler1000

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Wise words for reals :thumb:

Hopefully he realizes what you are saying here.
Nope. Apparently he is the victim here. Those poor corporate raider types being taken advantage of.....
 

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:yo:

Bout time Wicksie got his butt kicked. LOL!
 

Insidious Von

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Such a depressing thread, I never married.

People should read Boccaccio, he understood: "love is like a fart...if you have to force it, it's probably crap".
 

Butler1000

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"Takes deep, humble bow"

And blushes........
 

John Wick

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You seem to be a malcontent looking to blame lawyers or anyone else for all the problems in your life. Go ahead, if that makes you feel better.



And the above quote shows you are also an abusive individual. Abusive people tend to have some serious anger management issues.
You sound like a rat-bastard lawyer self-justifying by projecting your personal and professional deficiencies on to your clients. Classic.
 

John Wick

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Your own Sig proves your mindset. There are good altruistic in the legal profession.

You just happen to work with sharks because your business model demands it. And you are too cheap to pay for it.
Please. The vast majority of lawyers are morally and ethically bankrupt, and their professional behavior consistently plays to negative stereotype regardless of their domain of practice. No one ever truly seeks out a lawyer by choice, but rather out of absolute necessity. Think about that. Lawyers are taught and know this, and as a result virtually always default to predatory mode for personal/professional gain. Because the legal systems allows, even promotes it. The concept of the altruistic lawyer is no more than pure fantasy fiction - a mere imaginary contrivance designed for entertainment purposes only.
 

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This sounds like good well intentioned advice. Unfortunately it's completely wrong and inaccurate. I have heard from countless people that they tried mediation, spent thousands of dollars, numerous hours of their own time, and invested a lot emotionally in the process, only to get nowhere - and then they need to go see a lawyer anyway
I didn't say it would work for everyone. It won't. Your solution (costing thousands upon thousands of dollars) won't work for everyone either.

If you're spending thousands of dollars on mediation, you're an idiot who doesn't understand how it works. I've been through mediation for non-divorce stuff. You know in the first hour if it's going to work or not. If it isn't, get a lawyer. If it is save untold thousands of dollars. Your call. No one solution will work for everyone.

Edit to all: calling my advice "completely wrong and inaccurate" tells me that you're closed minded enough you wouldn't work well with mediation anyways. The advice is not "completely wrong and inaccurate", but your assessment of it is though.
 

Butler1000

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Please. The vast majority of lawyers are morally and ethically bankrupt, and their professional behavior consistently plays to negative stereotype regardless of their domain of practice. No one ever truly seeks out a lawyer by choice, but rather out of absolute necessity. Think about that. Lawyers are taught and know this, and as a result virtually always default to predatory mode for personal/professional gain. Because the legal systems allows, even promotes it. The concept of the altruistic lawyer is no more than pure fantasy fiction - a mere imaginary contrivance designed for entertainment purposes only.
As I said. It's the company you keep. The ones in my life either are Crown Defense, advocates for causes, or local for wills, small business etc(one notable works 9-5, small office, for work life balance. He sees his wife, kids, and is quite happy).

All are good people, community involvement, and lead pretty balanced lives.
 

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There is no such thing as a rat bag divorce lawyer. Divorce lawyers are helpful, caring, and are a powerful ally when you need one.

You have no idea how vindictive some ex spouse's can be. I think your attitude towards lawyers needs to change and become much more informed and balanced.

Staying in a dead marriage is not usually a good idea as it could increase spousal support obligations, assuming one spouse can show entitlement.

It's also not a good idea for other reasons. For instance if one spouse is the primary bread winner, then it is better for that spouse to separate sooner in order to minimize the other spouse's equalization payment.

Lawyers are scum.100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean is just a good start.
 

Butler1000

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Lawyers are scum.100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean is just a good start.
I'm assuming another divorce burn victim.

Lawyers only do what their clients tell them to do. Whatever happened it was at the clients direction.
 
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