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Divorce Allimony when does it stop

joe_in_the_lounge said:
It costs nothing to call a lawyer and ask how much they will charge for a meeting and what their fees are.

Any decent lawyer would have no problem giving an estimate of the legal fees for a matter before they are retained and putting the amount in writing as part of a written retainer agreement.
Many lawyers will offer block fees for work so that there are no hourly fees and you know exactly what you are going to pay upfront.
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I never said it cost money to call a lawyer for the first time! Costs every time after that though!
An "estimate" from a lawyer is nothing in stone. You'll have better luck getting a true $ amount from a shady auto mechanic!
Of the 17 family lawyers I called in my area, I never got offered a block. It was required of me to pay a retainer fee of $2500 minimum for separation proceedings up to $7500 retainer (most expensive I got a quote from) for court proceedings! Plus the costs of the forms which I listed above.
 
As a younger guy that's not married, I find this thread enlightening. I don't plan on getting married but if I move in with someone I'm definitely getting a prenup.
 
joe_in_the_lounge said:
Your post if full of completely inaccurate information and is simply not true.

This is the type of garbage information that scares keeps people from calling a lawyer and getting real advice.

It costs nothing to call a lawyer and ask how much they will charge for a meeting and what their fees are.

Any decent lawyer would have no problem giving an estimate of the legal fees for a matter before they are retained and putting the amount in writing as part of a written retainer agreement.
Many lawyers will offer block fees for work so that there are no hourly fees and you know exactly what you are going to pay upfront.
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Your post if full of completely inaccurate information and is simply not true.

The retainer is NOT the fee they charge!
The estimate they give you "in writing" is just that, an estimate. The 'Retainer' is a $ value the law office requires of an client to prove to the law office that the client is committed to the case and wont back out. The cost to the client can and often does exceed the amount of the original retainer.
You are sending misleading and totally wrong information that the retainer amount is the quoted amount and that is all the client will need to pay for the case to be complete and that is a LIE!!
 
yung_dood said:
As a younger guy that's not married, I find this thread enlightening. I don't plan on getting married but if I move in with someone I'm definitely getting a prenup.
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Prenups mean little!
You live with a woman for 6 consecutive months and you are legally married in the eyes of the law!
 
joe_in_the_lounge said:
My firm offers block fees, and I know many others that do as well.

You are precisely the type of person I refuse to take as a client.
No matter how much money, dealing with you would not be worth it.

Problem clients are never worth the money and I have no doubt you would be one.

Perhaps some of these lawyers quoted you high fees just to get rid of you. It is a common technique.

For myself I would tell you straight out, "I don't want your business, call someone else."
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So you're telling me the 3 lawyers I sat down with, 1 Ontario Court appointed free counsel and 2 paid counsel all lied to me?
The 2 paid lawyers I visited were both very egar to take on my case but you say that everything they told me was a lie?

I need you contact me ASAP.
If you are indeed a family lawyer and are either
A. indicating that the legal advise I paid for was incorrect misleading or wrong!
B. Or you are giving inaccurate misleading counsel and your firm needs to be made aware!
c. The government appointed lawyer was also misleading but gave the exact same information to me
I have all transcripts of the 3 meetings I attended!
 
BigFloppyDick said:
Your post if full of completely inaccurate information and is simply not true.

The retainer is NOT the fee they charge!
The estimate they give you "in writing" is just that, an estimate. The 'Retainer' is a $ value the law office requires of an client to prove to the law office that the client is committed to the case and wont back out. The cost to the client can and often does exceed the amount of the original retainer.
You are sending misleading and totally wrong information that the retainer amount is the quoted amount and that is all the client will need to pay for the case to be complete and that is a LIE!!
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Joe's post #52 is correct.

The retainer is also the engagement contract with the lawyer.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/retainer
 
I have PMd joe_in_the_lounge asking for him to contact me.

I have paid for legal services that Joe explicitly says are ALL LIES!
Not only that they are all liars but everything they said was lies!!!

Someone is lying and I will find out.
I don't think the law society of Canada will take kindly to the 3 lawyers I saw that gave me the exact same information!

WHAT THE FUCK JOE!! I didn't attempt to get a discount, I paid their asking fees and took exacting notes! Why would they all lie to me and 'everything' they FUCKING SAID WAS LIES?

I'm so looking forward to our conversation JOe! Imagine the looks on their faces when I go in to their offices an Monday & tell them joe_in_the_lounge said they are liers!
 
yung_dood said:
So what's the point of getting one then?
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What he is saying is: it has to be done right. For example: if your employer lays you off and asks you to sign a severance waiver of future claims in exchange for your severance package, there will be a clause therein stating that you acknowledge that you have had the time to discuss the waiver with a competent legal source and you fully understand and consent willingly to what you're signing off on.

All this is great: but would a chick sign on something like this???
 
BigFloppyDick said:
I never said it cost money to call a lawyer for the first time! Costs every time after that though!
An "estimate" from a lawyer is nothing in stone. You'll have better luck getting a true $ amount from a shady auto mechanic!
Of the 17 family lawyers I called in my area, I never got offered a block. It was required of me to pay a retainer fee of $2500 minimum for separation proceedings up to $7500 retainer (most expensive I got a quote from) for court proceedings! Plus the costs of the forms which I listed above.
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I don't doubt the quotes you got.

A block estimate probably might scare most people because a lawyer has to charge based on estimated time and contingencies (hey, I know a criminal lawyer that will charge $7,000 for a DUI. He did one for an employee for $5,000. I'm sure he made good money. No time docket to justify a minimal number of hours for what was probably a run-of-the-mill case. I bet if he charged an hourly rate, it would've been less).
 
Serpent said:
What he is saying is: it has to be done right. For example: if your employer lays you off and asks you to sign a severance waiver of future claims in exchange for your severance package, there will be a clause therein stating that you acknowledge that you have had the time to discuss the waiver with a competent legal source and you fully understand and consent willingly to what you're signing off on.

All this is great: but would a chick sign on something like this???
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My ex signed a release to effect the divorce settlement. No right-minded lawyer will allow you to settle without the opposing side signing a full and final release.
 
GPIDEAL said:
My ex signed a release to effect the divorce settlement. No right-minded lawyer will allow you to settle without the opposing side signing a full and final release.
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what i meant is that if a prenup isn't written up properly and signed and witnessed appropriately, it's liable to get tossed aside at a later date as if it never even existed.
 
rgkv said:
Who ever makes the most {working or not} pays the other to equal themselves........
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No way. Equalization is with respect to division of family property.

However, maybe after Joe has coitus, he can answer if a lower-income earning spouse is entitled to a standard of living boost to her income, even though her own pre-separation income is sufficient for herself to comfortably live on after the divorce.
 
Serpent said:
what i meant is that if a prenup isn't written up properly and signed and witnessed appropriately, it's liable to get tossed aside at a later date as if it never even existed.
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She MUST also have independent legal counsel to ensure you have a binding agreement.
 
WhOiSyOuRdAdDy? said:
angry much??
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Unlike the ? in your sig, I don't like getting fucked.

Our Legal adviser Joe has clearly said that the legal advice I paid almost $1,000 for plus the hours searching scheduling waiting in the courthouse for free legal advice were ALL liars!
I typed the fees of the available services that all these legal agents explained to me in my post and Joe informs us they all lied to me!

Wouldn't you be a little angry to find out that $1,000 bought lies and the only guy that knows the truth wont type any corrections to my post or take me as a client!
He'll only inform me that everything I paid $1,000 for was lies, wont correct the errors, just jumps in his 911 and rents a 2hr hotty
 
Well I got to say I am highly depressed myself now..........ex doesn't work, hasn't since just before the divorce, suffers from depression. Should be me who suffers, I'm the one who has to fork out the money every month and as it looks FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE!!!!
 
Yep been there done that 23 years married then lost a child in a car accident and all downhill from there, now I pay for life...
 
Big question for me now is when I go on CPP and am getting no more money a month then the ex gets....DO I STILL PAY????
 
I called it lazy bitch support because that's what she was but I only had to pay for 2 years.
 
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