Disrespect from cops?

[CocktailWiener]

Actually, they are not really appealing to the masses, they are only printing whatever "bad" is in vogue at the time. I mean who the hell wants to read GOOD news all the time? I mean, can you imagine if every day you read about all the good cops? How they are saving lives, delivering babies, NOT arresting someone even though they can, etc etc. Oh yeah, once a year they print about the awards but every day the cops do good.......

Think of it this way: just about everyone hates paying insurance but when their house burns down they are only too happy to have paid that money into the policy.

Appealing to the masses includes "printing whatever 'bad' is in vogue."

I for one do not hate paying insurance. House insurance is not mandatory. Auto insurance, on the other hand, I am just paying for damages done by bad drivers. In any case, insurance agents do not stop me while I am going about my own business and proceed to harass me.

 

[Lustology]

If your skin colour is white than it's all good, if it's not than your in for it.

 

[BuffNaked]

Police? More like tax men...

They have the power to kill you in the name of defense. They can hurt you if they feel like it. There word is taken over anyone else by virtue of the fact that they are cops. Some of the most heinous incidents of violating the public trust are rarely met with appropriate consequence. Most receive paid suspension. The system has removed accountability out of the equation. With out accountability the police will only get worse.

If you are talking to a cop, chances are you are getting a ticket of some sort. This boggles the mind. You hear the stories of cops being rude and authoritative even when you call on them for assistance. You can do all the leg work yourself and solve a crime but unless it's murder, they really couldn't care less. In fact I hesitate to call them cops anymore. In fact, they seem more like tax collectors to me more than anything else.

Think about it for a sec. How much traffic enforcement is out there? A lot. They will issue tickets for just about anything. Going to fast, going to slow, don't like the way you change lanes, car is to loud, car is to low. Where does the money go from these tickets? To fund the police department. An authority is taking money from me to put into a state department? Sounds like a tax to me. It's no wonder they have to give them tasers and guns. Everyone hates the tax man.

Police have long since stopped being a tool to protect and serve the public. Now they are merely a revenue collection agency that find creative ways to take more money from your pocket.

Don't believe me? Next time an officer pulls you over, ask yourself, in that situation, how is he protecting or serving the public.

 

[tboy]

Well, I'm not going to comment on "..maybe there is something wrong with me" but you're not alone in your feelings. However, when the bullies, murders, rapists, terrorists, etc take over some other country and enslave it's peoples then I guess that's fine by you. Just remember one thing: the ONLY reason you are speaking german right now and there are people of the jewish faith in the world is because some people stepped up who didn't hold your point of view and decided to kill those that wanted to take over the world.

I guess you are also of the opinion that if a crazed gunman is holding school children hostage, has shot 3 already and has 22 more to go, we should throw coffee and donuts at him instead of having a sniper take them out?

Man, I'm glad the majority of this country doesn't hold that opinion.....we'd be totally fucked if they did.....

I also guess you don't drive, use a computer, live in the woods with no electricity, don't buy clothes, or any other product that involves an act that could kill or hurt someone? Just remember: hundreds of people are killed every year by vehicles transporting those gucci strappy sandals you just had to have, the clothes on your back, the toxins pumped into the environment producing the electricity to power your computer, the plastics that house all the various goods you buy, the paper that you write on, etc etc or are the deaths caused by producing and transporting those goods acceptable?

You see, I find the death of someone who may hurt another is more acceptable than the death of someone caused by transporting or producing a totally unnecessary luxury item......but that's just me.

 

[BuffNaked]

Since a cop is the only thing standing between you and the criminals running rampant, does it really MATTER if the one stopping the bullet meant for you is an arrogant ass or a politically correct feel good nicey nice trained psychoanalyst?

Wait... What? Cops are the only thing standing between between order and chaos? So when I lock my doors when I leave my house it doesn't do anything? Or when I'm friendly to my neighbors so we can look out for one another on our street, that doesn't do anything? Or how bout when I coach kids and give them life lessons so they don't have to go through the same hardships, that doesn't do anything? I think you need a broader understanding of civics and community.

 

[tboy]

They have the power to kill you in the name of defense. They can hurt you if they feel like it. There word is taken over anyone else by virtue of the fact that they are cops. Some of the most heinous incidents of violating the public trust are rarely met with appropriate consequence. Most receive paid suspension. The system has removed accountability out of the equation. With out accountability the police will only get worse.

If you are talking to a cop, chances are you are getting a ticket of some sort. This boggles the mind. You hear the stories of cops being rude and authoritative even when you call on them for assistance. You can do all the leg work yourself and solve a crime but unless it's murder, they really couldn't care less. In fact I hesitate to call them cops anymore. In fact, they seem more like tax collectors to me more than anything else.

Think about it for a sec. How much traffic enforcement is out there? A lot. They will issue tickets for just about anything. Going to fast, going to slow, don't like the way you change lanes, car is to loud, car is to low. Where does the money go from these tickets? To fund the police department. An authority is taking money from me to put into a state department? Sounds like a tax to me. It's no wonder they have to give them tasers and guns. Everyone hates the tax man.

Police have long since stopped being a tool to protect and serve the public. Now they are merely a revenue collection agency that find creative ways to take more money from your pocket.

Don't believe me? Next time an officer pulls you over, ask yourself, in that situation, how is he protecting or serving the public.

A bunch of misnomers there:
1) The cops don't get the revenue for tickets issued, the dept of transportation does, or the city of toronto, or the province, NOT the police force.
2) It is all about priorities catching criminals: someone steeling your garden gnome is far far less important than someone steeling your car
3) They do NOT ticket everyone for every driving offence committed. Quite often (more often than not) you can pass an OPP cruiser doing 120 on the highway and not get ticketed. You can also change lanes without signalling and not get ticketed. To say you're ticketed for every offence is asinine.
4) They cannot "hurt you if they feel like it" you've been reading too much propaganda my friend.
5) When a cop pulling you over and siezes your car for doing 130 in a 100 zone, or making an unsafe lane change he is protecting everyone ELSE as well as you. Since you have no qualms about committing a dangerous act (which is why the laws were written in the first place) someone has to stop you before you hurt yourself or someone else.

For the record. I drive. I drive a LOT at times. I've driven all over north america in just about every major US and Canadian city. I speed but only a little over the limit. I don't always signal my lane changes, etc. I haven't had a ticket in over 20 yrs. Why? because the cops DON'T ticket every offence. For eg: One time I was travelling on queen st. Some dick in a cab would speed up so I couldn't pass on the right then slow down to 10 under the limit as soon as I was behind him. I finally was able to get around him and lit up my tires when I did. Well a cop saw me and stopped me. He could have ticketed me for unnecessary noise but didn't. So there, proof that they don't ticket every offence.

 

[tboy]

Wait... What? Cops are the only thing standing between between order and chaos? So when I lock my doors when I leave my house it doesn't do anything? Or when I'm friendly to my neighbors so we can look out for one another on our street, that doesn't do anything? Or how bout when I coach kids and give them life lessons so they don't have to go through the same hardships, that doesn't do anything? I think you need a broader understanding of civics and community.

Nope, locking your door at night won't stop anyone.
That's your neighbours, what about the gangbanger looking for cash? Are your neighbours up at 3 am? and how are your neighbours going to protect you from a home invasion by 3 punks with berettas? HINT: they WON'T
Do you coach kids in regent park? Jane Finch? All you're doing is helping kids that aren't normally exposed to the gang violence way off life. You want to say you're helping? Go to the bad neighbourhoods and do it there. THEN you can say you're helping teach those that need life lessons....

I think you need a more realistic understanding of civics and community. Helping your neighbour isn't helping reduce crime. Helping someone prone to crime will help reduce crime.

Sorry, if you think there is some other reason that criminals don't rob, rape, and kill with impunity other than the fact that the cops will nail them, then you should really give your head a shake.

Have you never seen any footage of areas where there are no police to inforce law and order? Take a look at iraq my friend...that's what happens when there is no police force.......or how about things like the riots in LA after the cops were acquitted of the rodney king arrest? The cops stayed away and the people went nuts. Did civic duty stop them? ZHow about that one not long ago in Montreal (I think it was after a hockey game or something).....sheesh.....

 

[Esco!]

^^^^^^^^ Damn, she's sexy when she gets assertive like that

 

[BuffNaked]

Nope, locking your door at night won't stop anyone.
That's your neighbours, what about the gangbanger looking for cash? Are your neighbours up at 3 am? and how are your neighbours going to protect you from a home invasion by 3 punks with berettas? HINT: they WON'T
Do you coach kids in regent park? Jane Finch? All you're doing is helping kids that aren't normally exposed to the gang violence way off life. You want to say you're helping? Go to the bad neighbourhoods and do it there. THEN you can say you're helping teach those that need life lessons....

I'm the night owl on my street. I know cops don't patrol the side streets around my area. They will patrol the lake path for rowdy drinkers, but that's about it. They are mostly teens but I've told a few of them to take a hike before the police come and ticket them.

I'd don't think cops can protect me from a home invasion as well. Lucky for me I don't have a grow op in my house or have anything else that would make me a target of such a home invasion. Seriously though, who has it in the back of their minds that someone would do that? It happens but the frequency is so rare and usually home invasions are targeted for drugs, jewelry, and cash. Three punks are not going to go through the effort unless they know they can get the reward.

I don't coach to prevent crime you idiot. I coach cause I love my sport. Being a positive role model and having influence in a kids life is just icing on the cake. I contribute to my community with my time and knowledge. How many others can say the same?

As for Jane and Finch, I pass by there on Sunday mornings for soccer. It really seems to me like they get a bad rap from the media. Sometimes I expect it to be a war zone. It's not.

I think you need a more realistic understanding of civics and community. Helping your neighbour isn't helping reduce crime. Helping someone prone to crime will help reduce crime.

An open community will always be a nicer place to live. Not every one is friendly and open but if you set an example others will follow.

Sorry, if you think there is some other reason that criminals don't rob, rape, and kill with impunity other than the fact that the cops will nail them, then you should really give your head a shake.

The two main reasons some one gets murdered are passion and money. Rape is usually between two people that know each other. robbing is for money. These crimes will be committed if the perpetrator thinks there is no chance of getting caught. Of course a criminal is going to try and avoid contact with the police, but he will also avoid contact with communities that look out for one another.

Have you never seen any footage of areas where there are no police to inforce law and order? Take a look at iraq my friend...that's what happens when there is no police force.......or how about things like the riots in LA after the cops were acquitted of the rodney king arrest? The cops stayed away and the people went nuts. Did civic duty stop them? ZHow about that one not long ago in Montreal (I think it was after a hockey game or something).....sheesh.....

Iraq is a war zone. LA riots were a response of the people. The people believed that there was a huge injustice and that was the collective response. Had justice been served on that day, there would have been no riot. I don't know about that Montreal thing. That can happen anywhere.

 

[tboy]

A couple of things Buff:
1) You insinuated in your post that by teaching kids civic responsibility they will be less prone to crime (since all these threads are about police/crime/arrests etc. That's where I compared to your post to reducing crime. My bad. You were just saying that you coach kids because you love the sport (why you posted in THIS thread is beyond me).
2) I respected you and the points you were trying to make until you said "rape is between two people that know each other"...yeah ok, tell that to Bernardo and all the other random rapes that go on daily. The preponderance of rapes are random (and I'm not going searching for the data to back it up).
3) Sorry, the war is over in Iraq or didn't you know? As for the riots, whatever the reason for the act is, does NOT justify it and if there was a police presence (overwhelming) there would have been no riots. Get it? So the next time there's civil unrest, a violent protest etc, we can let the police stay in the donut shops and you and your civic duty and go out there in riot gear and "stand the wall".....*rollseyes*
4) Home invasions: so the 70 yr old couple that was invaded in brampton in the summer were drug dealers or had a grow op? DUDE, give your head a shake. Criminals look for targets. One of the ways they chose their targets is to look around on garbage day for the plasma screen boxes, stereo equipment boxes put out at the curb. If you've bought a high end appliance and put the box out, you're prime to be hit. Sure you go out and scare off the drinkers, will you do the same with a guy holding a gun? NO you'll call the ahem....POLICE. But hey, maybe you're Charles Bronson and have no problem taking on a kid with a glock with your rake......

Kiarra:

I don't know why you have a major hate on for me but that's your perogative. I kind of think it's because I wasn't a lemming and jumped on the "i hate cupids bandwagon" but I digress.

YOU plainly stated that "I think it is pretty sick and twisted that people are okay with death under any terms. Then again I don`t support the war either,"

That indicates that death under any terms is something you are against? (aka sick and twisted to not agree with your opinion). That means that anyone who thinks any death is justifiable is sick and twisted so that means ANY death, not just some.....

So since you PLAINLY indicated that any death is not acceptable, then that means that deaths caused by ANY means is unacceptable. That isn't twisting words, that's using your statements verbatim......

If you don't want to be misunderstood, don't state what you don't mean, state exactly what you do mean......

 

[BuffNaked]

A couple of things Buff:
1) You insinuated in your post that by teaching kids civic responsibility they will be less prone to crime (since all these threads are about police/crime/arrests etc. That's where I compared to your post to reducing crime. My bad. You were just saying that you coach kids because you love the sport (why you posted in THIS thread is beyond me).

My coaching helps the community. My main point is participating in your community goes a long way to creating a safe neighborhood for all.

2) I respected you and the points you were trying to make until you said "rape is between two people that know each other"...yeah ok, tell that to Bernardo and all the other random rapes that go on daily. The preponderance of rapes are random (and I'm not going searching for the data to back it up).

That's why I used the word usually. I don't deny that there are people out there that are capable of raping complete strangers but you can't deny that rape is also a crime of passion and opportunity.

3) Sorry, the war is over in Iraq or didn't you know? As for the riots, whatever the reason for the act is, does NOT justify it and if there was a police presence (overwhelming) there would have been no riots. Get it? So the next time there's civil unrest, a violent protest etc, we can let the police stay in the donut shops and you and your civic duty and go out there in riot gear and "stand the wall".....*rollseyes*

War isn't over in Iraq? Somebody better tell that to the the people of Iraq. Also that LA riot would have gone on with or without police.

4) Home invasions: so the 70 yr old couple that was invaded in brampton in the summer were drug dealers or had a grow op? DUDE, give your head a shake. Criminals look for targets. One of the ways they chose their targets is to look around on garbage day for the plasma screen boxes, stereo equipment boxes put out at the curb. If you've bought a high end appliance and put the box out, you're prime to be hit. Sure you go out and scare off the drinkers, will you do the same with a guy holding a gun? NO you'll call the ahem....POLICE. But hey, maybe you're Charles Bronson and have no problem taking on a kid with a glock with your rake......

I'd call the police afterwards. But they still weren't there to protect me. Who knows what would go on in a situation like that. Maybe a nosey neighbor noticed 3 thugs at my door and also noticed the gun and called the police. Although good point on the boxes. I'll be sure to cut my stuff up before I leave it on the side for trash pickup from now on. Oh no.. wait. I don't have to do that because the police will protect me... right?

 

[Never Compromised]

Nope, locking your door at night won't stop anyone....


Have you never seen any footage of areas where there are no police to inforce law and order? Take a look at iraq my friend...that's what happens when there is no police force.......or how about things like the riots in LA after the cops were acquitted of the rodney king arrest? The cops stayed away and the people went nuts. Did civic duty stop them? ZHow about that one not long ago in Montreal (I think it was after a hockey game or something).....sheesh.....

"A locked door stops an honest man".


Where there are no police to enforce law and order, different things may happen because of different societies. Native culture did not have police. Inuit do not have police that I know of, although the RCMP do now provide policing to northern communities as requested.

Did the Toronto Police Service stop the riots in downtown after the Rodney King riot?

A society is only as peaceful as it wants to be.

 

[tboy]

Iraq: nope, the war was declared over many years ago. it has now become a lawless society and the US forces are there to try and restore order.

Boxes on the curb: it's a piece of advice that should be common knowledge to everyone but, as you say, the police are there to protect you and your property but because so many bitch and moan that we have too many as it is, they can't be everywhere at once. It is the idea that the police are there why many don't break the law (which is also why some do it anyways because they know the cops can't be everywhere at once). Put it another way: if there was a cop on the corner of your street, would there even be those rowdy drinkers you mentioned earlier? There certainly wouldn't be any home invaders (not to be mixed up with space invaders). Times Square in NYC is a perfect example: it was notorious for being crime laden and dangerous. Guliani placed an officer on every corner and the crime rate went to zero.....hmm conincidence? NOT.....

Perps with Guns: so you WOULD confront an armed intruder with your rake and not bother calling the cops? Dude, you're brave! (or stupid, don't know which lol)

See, Comp makes some good points. Unfortunately due to many other factors there are some in every society who live outside the law. If it wasn't for the fact that we have a police force there wouldn't be isolated incidents of crime, it'd be an hourly occurance. See, the way I see things is: one man with a gun is more powerful than 10 with clubs. The moral is: he only has 8 shots, who of the 10 are willing to die first? (the cops are...everyone of them!)

As for Kiarra, I guess I was right in my assumption that you were against all death, even to those that deserve it......as for cupid's, your view is skewed, if you actually read my posts you will see that I am overwhelmingly neutral, I call a spade a spade and until someone provides me with proof positive that it isn't a spade, I'm not going to jump on any bandwagon. If you do some research I've also noted some negatives too but hey, that wouldn't support your opinion so of course you skip over those examples.

As for me being right and others wrong, or me wrong and others right. As long as people keep wanting to discuss the points, I will do the same. I totally live by the rule that everyone is entitled to their opinion and as I said, if they want to keep discussing it, I'm all for it. BECAUSE from these discussions you learn new things which you don't do by being a lemming and jumping on the "fuck the POlice bandwagon......"

 

[elmo]

^^^^^^^^ Damn, she's sexy when she gets assertive like that

Yeah...now if I could just get my hands on a cop car to bend her over the hood...

 

[BuffNaked]

Iraq: nope, the war was declared over many years ago. it has now become a lawless society and the US forces are there to try and restore order.

Your perception bothers me. Bush may have declared the war over but he's asking for more troops. Does that make sense? It's lawless because it's a war zone.

Boxes on the curb: it's a piece of advice that should be common knowledge to everyone but, as you say, the police are there to protect you and your property but because so many bitch and moan that we have too many as it is, they can't be everywhere at once. It is the idea that the police are there why many don't break the law (which is also why some do it anyways because they know the cops can't be everywhere at once). Put it another way: if there was a cop on the corner of your street, would there even be those rowdy drinkers you mentioned earlier? There certainly wouldn't be any home invaders (not to be mixed up with space invaders). Times Square in NYC is a perfect example: it was notorious for being crime laden and dangerous. Guliani placed an officer on every corner and the crime rate went to zero.....hmm conincidence? NOT.....

But that was my point originally. Cops patrol the path on the lake yet we still get teenagers and beer there. Every one knows cops patrol the lake yet it doesn't stop kids in the area from bringing down a few joints and beers while they go for a swim. And how bad can times square be? They hold a new years celebration there every year.

See, Comp makes some good points. Unfortunately due to many other factors there are some in every society who live outside the law. If it wasn't for the fact that we have a police force there wouldn't be isolated incidents of crime, it'd be an hourly occurance. See, the way I see things is: one man with a gun is more powerful than 10 with clubs. The moral is: he only has 8 shots, who of the 10 are willing to die first? (the cops are...everyone of them!)

I know I don't speak for everyone but I know there are a great majority of people who don't lie, cheat, steal, or harm anyone not because it's against the law, but because it's wrong. People tend to be good. Sometimes circumstances can make monsters out of people but for the most part they just want to go about their business. If the cops weren't there one day, the country would not fall apart overnight although people would take advantage of the situation, there are good people out there that look out for one another.

You only need to look at the huge blackout we suffered a few year ago as proof of that. For the most part Ontario was well behaves and life went on without incident.

On a side note, you know peel regional is on work to rule job action. As part of that, they have stopped issuing traffic citations until they have a new contract. The roads haven't suddenly gone to shit in Brampton with speeders and racers yet. They've been on job action for 2 months now I think.

 

[tboy]

that again, is your opinion and while my opinion is that it is skewed, as I said, as long as people are willing to discuss and debate an issue, I will go along for the ride.

I'd like to know: how am I wrong in doing this yet there are many others that are also continuing the discussion, is it because my opinion is different than your's??? I think so...

As for you seeing my acceptance of other people having the right to their opinion, look at it the same way I look at the so-called evidence against cupids: not seeing it because I don't want to, in your opinion I'm wrong for feeling that way, so why aren't you?

 

[tboy]

Buff: sorry, I haven't seen any major military action in more than a few years, as in air strikes, mass mobilization of armor, etc etc. You could effectively call it a war zone because of the lawlessness but you could also say that about any area that is out of control. The reason you call it a war zone is because there is no one to effectively enforce the new laws. Bush is asking for more troops because they are needed to help restore order.

Blackout: that didn't eliminate the police force from being there to keep the peace. Heck, that's even in their credo: to keep the peace.

Times Square: before the crackdown on crime, sure they held NYE celebrations there, because it was a tradition. Do some research, you'll see what I mean about the level of criminal activity that went on.

As for law and order and how people act: that's my point EXACTLY. Yes, many albeit most are law abiding members of society. Remove the police force and those that live outside the law will run rampant. Even if the number is around 10%, that's 3.2 million criminals that will take over those that aren't......we've had 80 murders this year...how many would that be if we didn't have the police?

That is also why I argee to police having guns and tasers etc. It isn't necessarily that they use them everytime, but it is the threat of them using them that makes people less aggressive when being arrested. I mean, think about it: you're a criminal getting arrested for a crime that you know will put you away for 10 yrs and you know that the cops don't have guns, don't have tasers, don't have billy clubs and can only use strong words to detain you, do you seriously think that the criminal is just going to comply? NO,he's going to run....and fight and knowing the cops can't do anything to physically stop him, he's gone....to do it again and again and again.

See, that's where we differ in views: I WANT the cops to be of the personality to stop the criminal and hold him to prevent him from escaping to do it again, maybe to you, your family or one of those law abiding neighbours you so lovingly describe.

For the record:

When I was 21 I was out jogging. I was chased down and attacked by 3 men. They had me on the ground and were kicking the shit out of me and the ONLY reason they stopped was because a cop was driving by and saw them doing it.....if it wasn't for him I might (more than likely) would have been beaten to death. The point is: I don't give a rat's fucking ass if he spoke down to me, spoke down to them when he handcuffed them, took bribes, ate donuts or gave 7.2 million people parking tickets. He did his job: stopped 3 people from killing me.......

 

[tboy]

So by your words, and please correct me if I am wrong, because my opinion is different from your, it is therefore skewed? Because that is the key to my problem with you.



I am not saying you are wrong for continuing to debate. That is not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is when you post, it seems to me and maybe a few others, that you try to force your opinion upon those that don't agree, as oppose to just accepting that their opinion is different. It is not different in your mind, or not that I can tell form your posts. It is wrong or skewed as you have said, or it is jumping on a bandwagon. Why can it not simply be they don't agree?




Kiarra

One: I said your opinion of ME was skewed because I am not of the same opinion as you are. See, that's where we differ: I don't see anything wrong or disrespect someone because there opinion is different than mine. I disrespect them the second they make it personal...(via name calling or instead of basing the discussion on the topic, they make it about me being somehow less a person because I have a different opinion than they do).

two: whenever a group of people all of a sudden voice their displeasure on a topic only because it is now popular to do so, then that's when I say "jump on the bandwagon/lemming".

Tasing and people dying from it have been going on since tasers were first brought into active service. Why now is it "bash the police" time? MY thing is that police have been doing this for years but only now, since it has become fashionable again, why are there 57 pages and 10 threads on what bastards some of them are? Will you still be having this discussion 2 yrs from now or the next time a cop is killed? I doubt it......

Me voicing points to why I feel the way I do is NO different than someone else making points trying to refute my points. I feel the reason YOU feel the way you do about my posts is because I don't agree with you. If I did would you feel the same? I doubt it because if you did, you'd be saying the same thing about the many other posters who have posted just as much, if not more than I have.

Frankly, take a look at my last few replies: that's what they are, replies to posts directed at me. So I am wrong for replying? For eg: that vancouver post: I hadn't posted in there for days yet Cobster comes on with a post saying things like: You've been proven wrong that's why you've not posting now run along....Yet YOU say I'm wrong for responding???? THAT IS SKEWED.

Same as the post where someone else insulted me (aka plonk). You just had to post in agreement...that isn't based on the topic at hand, that is based on your opinion of me personally. See, that's what skewed means: you make a decision based on perception not the facts (kind of like the reaction to the original tasing in Vancouver).

For the record: I didn't see any so called evidence against cupids. In fact, I asked to see it........I based my opinion on the fact that I heard both sides of the story.....something many don't do (aka jumping on the bandwagon) aka Bob says it's wrong so it must be wrong....I make my own decisions thank you.....

 

[Esco!]

I cant believe you people are doing this much typing

 

[tboy]

I cant believe you people are doing this much typing

it's easy for us, we use more than one digit at a time lol