CocktailWiener said:
Funny thing that you don't understand: they take bullets for me, you and everyone else all the time......plus they die for us......dont' EVER forget that!
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Disrespect from cops?
- Thread starter CocktailWiener
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Funny thing that you don't understand: they take bullets for me, you and everyone else all the time......plus they die for us......dont' EVER forget that!
Sorry, but that doesnt give them carte blanche to break the rulestboy said:Funny thing that you don't understand: they take bullets for me, you and everyone else all the time......plus they die for us......dont' EVER forget that!
shakenbake
Senior Turgid Member
tboy said:You've basically repeated what I said only in a more PC way: he cannot trust anyone's side of the story verbatum. As you say, he has to listen to all and then make his decision, sometimes in less than .001 seconds.
If you ever watch the "swat" series on TV (Dallas swat, Detroit Swat etc) you will see how the cops act: they go into any situation and immediately control it. If they trusted everyone then they would have no need to control any situation and could just let the perp(s) freely admit that they are the perps, what they did, and put their hands behind their back ready to be cuffed. Of course this doesn't happen so they get control of everyone until they determine what is going on.
Have you ever noticed that even on the show "cops" that if the person acts decently, many times they actually are let go? Often with just a warning, a ticket or a citation?
I keep saying this over and over again, the second you resist a cop from controlling a situation in any shape or form you open YOURSELF up to a world of hurt.
For the encounters here of cops not performing their duties in a satisfactory way, let me ask you: how many times have you had a cop perform perfectly towards you? If those were the only times you've encountered the police then hey, your opinion is skewed.
Here's a concept for you: anytime you think "fucking cops, they're all crooked and assholes" drive by St Jamestown, Jane Finch or any of the other high crime areas. Just drive through it. The ONLY reason you can do that and not die is because of all those rotten assholes doing their job. Cuz if they didn't? You wouldn't make it 10 feet........
Let's just say that I have been happy to count police constables as friends in many, many occasions. I have been around more than you have been. DO NOT think for one minute that I have never had any positive experiences with them. I used to live near Jane and Finch, especially before, during and after Fantino was the guy in charge of 31 Division, and I knew personally many a great cop who did his/her job perfectly and was most courteous to the public.
My gripe is with the assholes who act like King Shit and hide behind their badges because people like you, perhaps, allow them to get away with murder. Like George Sass who was a cp and killed his girlfriend and expected to get away with it. I went to school with that psycho. He should NEVER have become a cop and to tarnish the profession. But, just because he wore a uniform, according to your ilk, he should have gotten awy with the murder of his girlfriend? THAT would have disgraced the profession.
I am tired of your defending the position that police can do no wrong. They are human, as we are, and some are very bad examples of what police should NOT be. However, if there were people in authority with an attitude like yours, then we would have military rule in this country. NO ONE is above the Law, and especially the police who are there, as their motto says,
"To Serve and Protect"
So, before you reply to my post, kindly get off your high horse and think logically before you write anything. You certainly assume too much about those who counter your position.
I never ONCE said that no police officer can "do no wrong". I only have ever said "do not bash every cop for doing his job, which in some cases, is distastful to many".......
See that's an interesting point in and of itself: when people bash the police, that's cool, but when someone defends them, I'm saying they can do no wrong......
If less than 1% of the police are good officers and do their job well, then that's awesome.....how many other industries, organizations, or whatever say that?
As for my attitude, if everyone had my attitude they would see facts as facts and take an UNbiased approach to these stories when they hit the air waves.
Here's a little analogy for you:
During WWII video footage was minimal at best and what was actually shown was edited to the max. THe soldiers were greeted and hailed as heros.
During the Vietnam war video coverage was widespread and those at home saw for the first time what war was really like and were appalled by what they saw and condemned the soldiers for doing it.
NOTHING the vietnam soldiers did was any worse than what the soldiers did in WWII. In fact, if you consider the bombing of German cities and killing millions of citizens then vietnam was a cake walk.
The point I'm trying to make is take these 5/10/100 cases in context. None of us were there, and no one making snap judgements on the videos has ever been in those situations and is seeing the whole story.
See, everyone can tell me 1000 stories about bad cops but the fact of the matter is, compared to the 25 million stories of GOOD cops, it is minor, if not non existant......
See that's an interesting point in and of itself: when people bash the police, that's cool, but when someone defends them, I'm saying they can do no wrong......
If less than 1% of the police are good officers and do their job well, then that's awesome.....how many other industries, organizations, or whatever say that?
As for my attitude, if everyone had my attitude they would see facts as facts and take an UNbiased approach to these stories when they hit the air waves.
Here's a little analogy for you:
During WWII video footage was minimal at best and what was actually shown was edited to the max. THe soldiers were greeted and hailed as heros.
During the Vietnam war video coverage was widespread and those at home saw for the first time what war was really like and were appalled by what they saw and condemned the soldiers for doing it.
NOTHING the vietnam soldiers did was any worse than what the soldiers did in WWII. In fact, if you consider the bombing of German cities and killing millions of citizens then vietnam was a cake walk.
The point I'm trying to make is take these 5/10/100 cases in context. None of us were there, and no one making snap judgements on the videos has ever been in those situations and is seeing the whole story.
See, everyone can tell me 1000 stories about bad cops but the fact of the matter is, compared to the 25 million stories of GOOD cops, it is minor, if not non existant......
shakenbake said:.........So, before you reply to my post, kindly get off your high horse and think logically before you write anything. You certainly assume too much about those who counter your position.
And before you respond to MY post stop being a lemming and open your eyes to the real world..........
shakenbake
Senior Turgid Member
tboy said:And before you respond to MY post stop being a lemming and open your eyes to the real world..........
You are so closed minded. If no one agrees with you completely, then they are completely wrong. Your sig line says it all.
PLONK!
shakenbake said:You are so closed minded. If no one agrees with you completely, then they are wrong.
PLONK!
PLONK???????
papasmerf said:PLONK???????
LOL that's the sound of him shitting out his brains during this morning's repast....lol
As for being close minded, why don't you (s and b) stick to the topic at hand and stop trying to make this personal.
Just because I don't agree with all the cop bashing that's going on doesn't make me any better, or worse, right or wrong, than anyone else posting their opinion.....
Wait till Tboy's brother, sister or parent gets tasered (and dies in the process).Sheik said:Let's have a cop taser tboy
Wonder if Tboy would still say, well damn......my brother should'nt been speeding on the 401 doing 120 km/h
Esco! said:Wait till Tboy's brother, sister or parent gets tasered (and dies in the process).
Wonder if Tboy would still say, well damn......my brother should'nt been speeding on the 401 doing 120 km/h
Well, don't exaggerate ok? NO one has been tasered for doing 120 in a 100. They HAVE been tasered for being an ass and acting in a manner that made a cop concerned for his or her welfare and acted accordingly.
And IF (god forbid) a family member of mine did happen to be tasered? The first words out of my mouth would be: ok, what'd you do to make them resort to tasering you? See, i'm realistic: I KNOW that cops don't walk up behind someone walking back from McDonald's on their lunch break and shooting them in the back.
And if you can find a cop that would taser me? No problem, set it up...BUT you will have to put your hand into a black canvas bag I bring along.....that MAY contain one or more of the following: kitten/coral snake/scorpion/rat/fuzzy dice......
Tboy, you're still missing the point.
I'm not anti-cop, they have a hard job as it is and deal with jerks all day.
What I do have a problem with is indiscriminate use of the taser.
I'd have no problem with them tasering people except that its killing.001% of the population. That number is unacceptable, especially when you look at what offences people are being tasered for.
I'm not anti-cop, they have a hard job as it is and deal with jerks all day.
What I do have a problem with is indiscriminate use of the taser.
I'd have no problem with them tasering people except that its killing.001% of the population. That number is unacceptable, especially when you look at what offences people are being tasered for.
And you're missing the point: it isn't .001% of the population, that would be something like .00000001%. It is .001% of those who decide to ignore the orders of a police officer, resist arrest and or attempt to flee.
Still too hightboy said:it isn't .001% of the population, that would be something like .00000001%.
In the USA there was this saying that it was better if 10 guilty people went free, than 1 innocent person went to jail for a crime he did not do.
I say was because I don't think most here still think like that, how sad.
I say was because I don't think most here still think like that, how sad.
It'd be interesting if the govt did a poll and see what % would be OK with that.tboy said:Hmmm well I'm totally comfortable with that......
My guess is they'd be in the minority, but maybe I'm wrong
Esco: I don't know if you realize it but government, corporations, auto manufacturers do these studies all the time. They weigh the number of deaths that might result of a defect then do a cost analysis to determine whether it would be worth doing a recall.
It's called amortization rate or something like that.
At .001% that equals 1 in every 1000 taser incidents. In reality I bet that percentage is a lot lower but you don't hear about all the non-fatal ones.
But hey, tasers can be lethal, so let's take them out of cop's hands. While we're at it, let's take guns away from them too cuz, they are MORE lethal.
Once you start disarming the police force you start giving the power over to the criminals. Pretty soon, if all the "pc correct do-gooders" have their way, the cops will be throwing harsh words at people...OH they can't do that, because it'd be disrespectful!!!!
It's called amortization rate or something like that.
At .001% that equals 1 in every 1000 taser incidents. In reality I bet that percentage is a lot lower but you don't hear about all the non-fatal ones.
But hey, tasers can be lethal, so let's take them out of cop's hands. While we're at it, let's take guns away from them too cuz, they are MORE lethal.
Once you start disarming the police force you start giving the power over to the criminals. Pretty soon, if all the "pc correct do-gooders" have their way, the cops will be throwing harsh words at people...OH they can't do that, because it'd be disrespectful!!!!
CocktailWiener said:.......
It's true that the media are making choices on what they print (or show). They are only appealing to the masses.
Actually, they are not really appealing to the masses, they are only printing whatever "bad" is in vogue at the time. I mean who the hell wants to read GOOD news all the time? I mean, can you imagine if every day you read about all the good cops? How they are saving lives, delivering babies, NOT arresting someone even though they can, etc etc. Oh yeah, once a year they print about the awards but every day the cops do good.......
Think of it this way: just about everyone hates paying insurance but when their house burns down they are only too happy to have paid that money into the policy.
tboy said:Esco: I don't know if you realize it but government, corporations, auto manufacturers do these studies all the time. They weigh the number of deaths that might result of a defect then do a cost analysis to determine whether it would be worth doing a recall.
It's called amortization rate or something like that.
At .001% that equals 1 in every 1000 taser incidents. In reality I bet that percentage is a lot lower but you don't hear about all the non-fatal ones.
But hey, tasers can be lethal, so let's take them out of cop's hands. While we're at it, let's take guns away from them too cuz, they are MORE lethal.
Once you start disarming the police force you start giving the power over to the criminals. Pretty soon, if all the "pc correct do-gooders" have their way, the cops will be throwing harsh words at people...OH they can't do that, because it'd be disrespectful!!!!
I too was thinking it would be fun to disarm the police force. This way they will have to rely on their soft skills rather than marksmanship.
Police in England do not carry firearms. However, the London police are being issued tasers. http://www.thelondonpaper.com/cs/Sa...gs=aid=1157149789743&suffix=ArticleController
