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Disney's decline

Insidious Von

Insidious Von

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Disney's share price is currently at $139.00, it could fall by 20% by next spring.

I forecast that Disney's revenue stream would crest with Avengers: Endgame, after that the future is murky. They are attempting to squeeze blood from stone with another Star wars movie. The Rise of Skywalker looks like a vigorous rimjob to the fans in the hope that it will gross a billion dollars. The Last Jedi cost $380 million to make and bled red ink, perhaps it was too honest for fans to tolerate. The problem with the franchise is not just that it's an empty vessel, also, we don't know if Daisy Ridley can actually act. Star Wars has stunted her development as an actor, her only venture beyond (Ophelia) flopped.

Beyond that, Disney's investment in China, to the tune of $80 billion, isn't working out as they planned. They've had to bend the knee to the Mao Princelings on many occasions, most obvious removing the Tibet Master from Dr. Strange. The latest controversy is the star of the live action Mulan film coming out in support of the authorities against the Hong Kong protesters. I thought it was a brilliant move to hire the highly respected Sumi Liu (Kim's Convenience) to play Shang - Chi but the Mao Princelings are upset - he's not Chinese enough. They don't want the notion that greater success can be had if their citizens immigrate to another country - especially one with a tradition of liberal democracy like Canada.

Not they are cannibalizing their streaming service Hulu by coming out with Disney Plus. We've seen their empty shit in theaters already, they're not very good at original content. They've also put the thumbscrews to Netflix to cancel all of Disney's Marvel content from their platform. DC is doing the opposite, making a deal with HBO (owned by Warner Media) to develop Watchmen. And Showtime (owned by CBS - Sony) keeps churning out quality programming. The streaming market is saturated, Disney Plus will bleed red ink.

Disney kissing Communist ass...Old Walt must be rolling in his grave.

 
The problem with Star Wars is they've run out of road as far as advancing the script.

I mean, how far can you take what is essentially a civil war in space? They are essentially repeating themselves over and over.

That, plus all the Disney executives are too old. They all have fond memories of the original trilogy from when they were kids and buying all those stupid action figures (ca-ching) and they thought that lightning could easily strike twice (and 3 times). But today's kids have so much shit to choose from, it's incredible. Back when I was a kid, and Star Wars came out, there was "13 channels of shit on the TV to choose from" and the TV actually had a rotary tuner. Star Wars just blew your mind. The Disney executives are making their decision making based on their own nostalgia and not understanding their market.

The problem with the last Star Wars (and the related side stories) is that the stories don't appeal to kids and old geezers like me still prefer the original trilogy and find everything done since Episode 6 to be lame (story wise).
 
Disney now owns Fox's entertainment wing.

They face another problem how many Avengers films can they make before bringing in Galactus, after that what then? They are not reviving the X-Men franchise, it's run it's course. X-Men: Apocalypse should have been the pinnacle of the series - it was shit. Fox's first attempt at Galactus was awful as well.

 
Well, the biggest problem with Star Wars, I think, is the fact that the original cast is too old (or in Carrie Fisher’s case, dead) to be able to star in an entire new trilogy. Otherwise, there were plenty of great stories they could’ve gone with from the expanded universe stories. Grand Admiral Thrawn, the Dark Empire/resurrected Palpatine (which they may sort of do in ep. 9) arc, the Jedi Academy arc, they had options. The problem is that all those stories starred Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Leia, etc., and they wouldn’t be able to recast those characters. People would riot.

I guess they could do a Rogue Squadron spin-off series. Wedge Antilles and Wes Janson were the only characters that actually appeared in the movies and were only on screen briefly. Most people aside from the hardcore fans don’t know who they are. They could probably be recast, and Rogue/Wraith Squadron would make a great TV series.
 
So I think they will have what five if the top ten movies this year at least?

Not really concerned about them.
 
As for Star Wars they are trying to make movies that will appeal to mature audiences while the shareholders want the toy sales. That's why Wall St is bitching.

They spent alot to get it but can't get the kids to buy into it.
 
Butler1000 said:
As for Star Wars they are trying to make movies that will appeal to mature audiences while the shareholders want the toy sales. That's why Wall St is bitching.

They spent alot to get it but can't get the kids to buy into it.
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The problem is that no one likes most of the characters from the new movies. They appeal to no one. Kids don’t like them, adults don’t like them, the social justice-y types that some of the characters were obviously designed to appeal to don’t seem to care one way or another and, as we’ve seen, they don’t tend to spend money anyway. That’s why this merchandise isn’t selling. Who wants a Rose Tico action figure?
 
Just sticking with Star Wars; besides the main cast, they can pull so many other characters from other stories and do a great job if they allowed for writing. Instead they're creating silly characters like Finn, Rose and Phasma.

A wide but shallow pool. They need to dive deep and develop.
 
The main problem with the new Star Wars, beside the paper thin story line, is the cinematography. The Lucas' movies, even the prequels, were beautifully shot with rich backgrounds and details that were only matched by Cameron's Pandora. The Last Jedi was a disgrace on all levels and a complete waste of fine characters. It was so bad, it made Anakin's journey to the Dark Side seem believable.
 
They seem very confident on the back on Captain Marvel that the next 10 years of movies are going to be sure fire hits. Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Avengers all had built in audiences since the 1960's.Eternals?..not so much. Plus those pricks pad their numbers with paid empty seats.Research it.
 
Frozen 2 is coming out later this year, that will make a shitload of money.
 
Adam_hadam said:
I own lots of DIS-N, let's talk in 5 years and see how it does.
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Disney in bed with the Mao Princelings, I don't like your odds. That could change depending on what the post Cultural Revolution generation does, but the Mao Princelings made their leader Xi Jinping President for life. A transition could be messy.

I watched Captain Marvel, it was a rush job putting Brie Larson in an awkward position going into Endgame. She's a superior actor to Daisy Ridley and Felicity Jones (Rogue One). I liked Rogue One, FJ was excellent. Solo bombed by casting the muppet Emilia Clarke, didn't any of the producers see what happened with Terminator:Genisys?

Star Wars caught lightning in a bottle with Harrison Ford. He became the Garry Cooper of the Baby Boomers, the franchise can't survive without him, he's irreplaceable. The Empire Strikes Back is the only absolute classic of the series primarily due to George Lucas not writing the screenplay. it's the work of Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan (Blues Bros, American Werewolf in London). Unfortunately Brackett died which hurt Lucas's plans. Without him, Return of the Jedi wasn't any good (imho), Kasdan was still on board but it missed Brackett's sense of humanity.
 
You guys are speculating it's decline based on it's movie studios. But you forget WDW Disney World and it's other theme parks also makes a huge chunk of it's revenue.
 
I don't follow its stock, but the streaming service is killing it.
 
Disney's just fine. In fact, more than fine.
I agree that their content is in decline, but that's just personal opinion. The general masses appear to think otherwise.
 
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