Discovery Channel JFK "consistent with a shot from the sixth floor depository."

[lookingforitallthetime]

My apologies; it wasn't my intent to include you in the "nutbar" category.

Back in 1964 or 1965, there was a CBS program hosted by Walter Cronkite that examined the evidence. I recall Cronkite, in an interview, saying that he went into the program willing to accept the possibility that there was some sort of conspiracy. But after all the evidence was collected, he too had to come to the conclusion that Oswald acted alone.

If I can find a Youtube link or something similar to the program, I'll post it here.

Thanks.

While I'm sure Cronkite did a thorough examination of the facts, so did the House Committee on Assassinations. They came to a different conclusion than CBS and Walter.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Thanks for the link capncrunch, I will check it out.

 

[Asterix]

Unless he was the patsy. I think you have to admit, he would have been a great candidate for the fall guy.

Well, no, I don't. Through his entire life Oswald had issues with authorty, from his childhood, to his time in the Marines, to his time in the Soviet Union. He was lousy at following orders, and contunually wanted to do things his own way. He couldn't be relied upon and proved that many times throughout his life. I can't believe any professionally run conspriracy would have allowed him to be caught and further, expect him to keep his mouth shut. If they had wanted to kill Oswald he wouldn't have made it for more than a few blocks from the Depository, if he made it that far.

 

[Aardvark154]

Those interested in two highly reputable books on the subject should read

Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK, Gerald Posner

Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, Vincent Bugliosi

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

I can't believe any professionally run conspriracy would have allowed him to be caught and further, expect him to keep his mouth shut. If they had wanted to kill Oswald he wouldn't have made it for more than a few blocks from the Depository, if he made it that far.

For the fall guy plan to work, he has to get caught and Jack Ruby made sure his mouth was kept shut.

Seriously, the Jack Ruby factor doesn't give you a moments thought? Do you really believe Ruby killed Oswald so Jackie wouldn't have to return to Dallas?

Check out Ruby's story, it doesn't add up.

 

[Asterix]

For the fall guy plan to work, he has to get caught and Jack Ruby made sure his mouth was kept shut.

Seriously, the Jack Ruby factor doesn't give you a moments thought? Do you really believe Ruby killed Oswald so Jackie wouldn't have to return to Dallas?

Check out Ruby's story, it doesn't add up.

You're asking me to explain the rationale of another nutbar? So an organized conspiracy that relied on one loose cannon to carry out the assassination now relies on an emotional unstable man to stumble into the police underground parking and take him out? I'm sorry that's stretching it beyond what I can accept. Oswald was in custody being interogatted for two days. If there had been a conspiracy he never would have made it that far or been taken alive in the first place. Again the risk would have been too great.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

You're asking me to explain the rationale of another nutbar?

No I'm not, and I don't consider you a nutbar.

I'm asking you to consider looking at things in a different light and to re-examine the "facts" concerning Oswald's character.

So an organized conspiracy that relied on one loose cannon to carry out the assassination now relies on an emotional unstable man to stumble into the police underground parking and take him out? I'm sorry that's stretching it beyond what I can accept. Oswald was in custody being interogatted for two days. If there had been a conspiracy he never would have made it that far or been taken alive in the first place. Again the risk would have been too great.

I don't believe the two were as emotionally unstable as they've been portrayed. The case against Oswald was building within minutes of the assassination and he had to get caught in order to perpetuate the lone gunman story. Think about it, Oswald was not willing to get caught yet within 2 hours he was arrested. It was some pretty spectacular police work to find and catch a perpetrator who was unwilling to get caught in a city the size of Dallas.

I'm sorry, the whole thing stinks. When it was convenient to portray the "lone gunman" theory, officials had things lined up perfectly yet simple things like an autopsy were botched. The autopsy on the victim of the crime of the century wasn't even performed by a coroner!

I doubt we will change each other's mind. On this matter I will consider you one who reached his conclusions based on misinformation, false allogations and invalid character assessments. Feel free to consider me another conspiracy theory nutcase.

 

[Asterix]

Think about it, Oswald was not willing to get caught yet within 2 hours he was arrested. It was some pretty spectacular police work to find and catch a perpetrator who was unwilling to get caught in a city the size of Dallas.

I'm sorry, the whole thing stinks. When it was convenient to portray the "lone gunman" theory, officials had things lined up perfectly yet simple things like an autopsy were botched. The autopsy on the victim of the crime of the century wasn't even performed by a coroner!

I doubt we will change each other's mind. On this matter I will consider you one who reached his conclusions based on misinformation, false allogations and character assessments. Feel free to consider me another conspiracy theory nutcase.

How was it spectacular? A police officer entered the Depository soon after Kennedy was struck because shots had been reported coming from the sixth floor. He confronted Oswald, who had by then made his way down to the 2nd floor but let him pass when his boss confirmed he was an employee. Very soon it was determined that Oswald was the only employee who had left the scene and could not be accounted for. Oswald sealed his fate after killing Officer Tippet who had simply called him over to his patrol car because he'd noticed him nervously hurrying down a residential street. Two eyewitnesses saw the killing and from that point police descended on the neighborhood.

Believe what you like. I think part of the problem is that we resist wrapping our minds around the idea that small little men have the capacity to bring down great leaders by themselves. But this has been the case time and time again.

 

[Aardvark154]

I don't believe the two were as emotionally unstable as they've been portrayed. The case against Oswald was building within minutes of the assassination and he had to get caught in order to perpetuate the lone gunman story. Think about it, Oswald was not willing to get caught yet within 2 hours he was arrested. It was some pretty spectacular police work to find and catch a perpetrator who was unwilling to get caught in a city the size of Dallas.

I'm sorry, the whole thing stinks. . . The autopsy on the victim of the crime of the century wasn't even performed by a coroner!

If Oswald was “set up” why did he shoot Patrolman Tippit in front of two witnesses? Why did the four cartridges at the scene match the revolver Oswald was carrying when arrested?

If Oswald hadn’t been attempting to elude the police and entered a movie theatre without paying the manager of the shoe store next to the theatre wouldn’t have noticed and told the ticket agent who called the Dallas Police.

Why when the police arrived did Oswald attempt to shoot Patrolman McDonald if Oswald was merely someone who was set up?

The Autopsy was performed by military pathologists at the Bethesda Naval Medical Center.

 

[Aardvark154]

I think part of the problem is that we resist wrapping our minds around the idea that small little men have the capacity to bring down great leaders by themselves. But this has been the case time and time again.

You are, I believe, absolutely correct on this point Asterix.

It is part of human nature that we attempt to make sense out of the random. As part of this it is someways more comforting to believe that an assassination is part of a conspiracy - part of some larger logical (if criminal) ordering of the world - rather than to face that one "looser" whose only successful skill was the ability to shoot can change the course of world history.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

I see no point in continuing the discusion. I may be wrong but of all of the conclusions reached on both sides of the debate, only one had total, unfiltered access to the remaining evidence. The House Committe on Assassinations.

This Committe reached the conclusion there is evidence of a probable conspiracy.

I therefore yeild to the committe's findings.

 

[Aardvark154]

This Committe reached the conclusion there is evidence of a probable conspiracy.

I therefore yeild to the committe's findings.

Including that there was no evidence of a conspiracy involving: The government of either USSR, or Cuba, the FBI, the CIA, or the U.S. Secret Service, nor any anti-Castro group, or organized crime. So whose left the Red Hat Ladies?


In any event the program is on the U.S. Discovery Channel tonight November 16 at 9:00 p.m. Eastern and Pacific Time.

 

[Asterix]

Including that there was no evidence of a conspiracy involving: The government of either USSR, or Cuba, the FBI, the CIA, or the U.S. Secret Service, nor any anti-Castro group, or organized crime. So whose left the Red Hat Ladies?

Marina. Always thought she knew more than she was letting on.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Including that there was no evidence of a conspiracy involving: The government of either USSR, or Cuba, the FBI, the CIA, or the U.S. Secret Service, nor any anti-Castro group, or organized crime. So whose left the Red Hat Ladies?

Don't ask me, I'm just another conspiracy nut.

If you consider the conclusions so far fetched, I suggest you take it up with your government. They spent a lot of time and money on the subject.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

In any event the program is on the U.S. Discovery Channel tonight November 16 at 9:00 p.m. Eastern and Pacific Time.

I don't think it's on the Canadian Discovery Channel. I checked the guide and it's not listed.

 

[basketcase]

Another interesting Discovery Channel show is Unsolved History: JFK — Beyond the Magic Bullet. Pretty interesting forensics.