Dion Turner Dual citizenship
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the mission is an honourable one but we are taking it in the ass? I can't follow your thinking. If Chretien and Martin are to blame for getting us into the mission in the worst area - (not sure how they knew that before the mission started) how can Harper not take some of the blame for extending the mission in the same place? He did not try to get a deal to rotate them to a less demanding area or to get greater assistance from our allies until after we had committed. Not sure why you think this makes him blameless. clueless I would understand but blameless?lookingforitallthetime said:I believe the mission is an honorable one. The political ineptitude of the past Liberal governments is done, we're there now, the damage is done. I doubt the French and German forces in the north would be quick to trade places.
Yes Harper has agreed to extend Canada's involvement in the mission, but he has also been making efforts to get more involvement from other NATO countries in the Taliban strong south.
Dion should revoke his French citizenship. In order to be PM of Canada, he must present himself as loyal to Canada only.
I would never vote for anyone who had dual citizenship.
I would never vote for anyone who had dual citizenship.
The trouble with Liberals from my point of view is that they are such pandering cocksuckers to the looney left, . Selling out for empty, undelivered promises , and pre-election income tax cuts, and policies that change with every political poll. I take it that is what you did?
It was common knowledge amoung the military that the Taliban stronghold is in the south. This was where the majority of American forces were before they essentially pulled out to wage war in Iraq. Chretien agreed to pick up the guantlet to appease Bush for his governments publically attacking him for political gain.red said:I can't follow your thinking. If Chretien and Martin are to blame for getting us into the mission in the worst area - (not sure how they knew that before the mission started)
Chretien was politically out manouvered by Bush and the other NATO countries involved in the Afghan mission. So now, our troops are taking the brunt of the fight. I guess Harper could pull out because the mission is too tough, but Canadians have never been afraid of fighting the tough fight. We did it at Vimy Ridge and on the beaches of Normandy.red said:how can Harper not take some of the blame for extending the mission in the same place? He did not try to get a deal to rotate them to a less demanding area or to get greater assistance from our allies until after we had committed. Not sure why you think this makes him blameless. clueless I would understand but blameless?
chretien was outmanouvered but harper wasn't? at least you don't have any biases which clouds your judgement.lookingforitallthetime said:It was common knowledge amoung the military that the Taliban stronghold is in the south. This was where the majority of American forces were before they essentially pulled out to wage war in Iraq. Chretien agreed to pick up the guantlet to appease Bush for his governments publically attacking him for political gain.
Chretien was politically out manouvered by Bush and the other NATO countries involved in the Afghan mission. So now, our troops are taking the brunt of the fight. I guess Harper could pull out because the mission is too tough, but Canadians have never been afraid of fighting the tough fight. We did it at Vimy Ridge and on the beaches of Normandy.
Political biases aside, Harper wasn't Prime Minister when the damage was done.red said:chretien was outmanouvered but harper wasn't? at least you don't have any biases which clouds your judgement.
he was when he made the decision to leave the troops in the same area for two more years. how many have died since he was prime minister?lookingforitallthetime said:Political biases aside, Harper wasn't Prime Minister when the damage was done.
What an exceptionally foolish statement.......talk about biases clouding judgement.red said:he was when he made the decision to leave the troops in the same area for two more years. how many have died since he was prime minister?
lookingforitallthetime said:What an exceptionally foolish statement.......talk about biases clouding judgement.
Not really. unlike you, I haven't blamed anyone for afghanistan. I just have hard time understanding how you can blame one prime minister but not the current one. your comments are inconsistent.
I can only assume that the inconsistency is because you are a conservative party supporter and as such can never admit when they are wrong. its always the liberals to blame, notwithstanding that Harper supported the mission when it was agreed to and supports it now. and in fact he extended with full knowledge of the situation and with no agreement with any allies. if you think we canada got a raw deal then how can they all of the prime ministers not be to blame?
personally I support the mission in afghanistan.
First of all, I'm neither a Conservative nor Liberal party supporter.red said:Not really. unlike you, I haven't blamed anyone for afghanistan. I just have hard time understanding how you can blame one prime minister but not the current one. your comments are inconsistent.
I can only assume that the inconsistency is because you are a conservative party supporter and as such can never admit when they are wrong. its always the liberals to blame, notwithstanding that Harper supported the mission when it was agreed to and supports it now. and in fact he extended with full knowledge of the situation and with no agreement with any allies. if you think we canada got a raw deal then how can they all of the prime ministers not be to blame?
personally I support the mission in afghanistan.
Secondly, there are no inconsistances with my argument. Let's go way back to my original comment on the subject. The problem I have with the Liberals is that they were using anti-Bush sentiment in Canada for political gain. They talked tough regarding Bush and American foreign policy during election campaigns because it appealed to Canadians. Yet, behind closed doors they were bending over backwards to appease Bush. My original response was to refute those who claim (on this board and elsewhere), that Harper is an American puppet.
The Liberals, when starting to lose ground in the elecetion, made this a political issue and tried to paint Harper as something he was not. Harper is no more an American puppet than Chretien or Martin were. Maybe even less so. The difference between Chretien/Martin is that Harper didn't pander to anti-Bush sentiment for votes.
Now, you may be comfortable with this type of hypocracy, but I am not. I can only assume that you're comfortable with this because you are a Liberal party supporter.
As I've said all along, I support the mission in Afghanistan. I even said that Chretien was right to get Canada involved. Bad politics however, is the reason we are taking the brunt of the fight and this fact is making the mission less popular amoung Canadians.
And this is a typical response from a dim wit who has nothing intelligent to add to a discussion, but likes the sound of his own voice.bbking said:This is a typical response from a conservative embarrassed to be caught supporting Harper.
With all respect red, this sounds good to me.red said:i am going to agree to disagree.
Yes, and the only reason the Lieberals are mad is because they lost the election, they lost their control over us, they're jealous that Harper has shown some integrity, and has done what he said he would do, unlike the Lieberals who broke every promise in the Red Book.Neverenuff$ said:The trouble with Liberals from my point of view is that they are such pandering cocksuckers to the looney left, . Selling out for empty, undelivered promises , and pre-election income tax cuts, and policies that change with every political poll. I take it that is what you did?
bbking said:.... speaking from your own considerable experience at this skill.
bbk
Maybe so, but I've never been embarrassed to support Harper, like you claim.
Isn't it obvious? I'm his point man on TERB.
