Dion Turner Dual citizenship
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danmand said:I found out yesterday, that John Turner, when prime minister, held dual citizenship. So why is it a problem that Stephane Dian holds diual citizenship?
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Didn't know that but my guess would be that Turners was an English dual, while dions is france.
thats your answer right there.
I didn't know he held dual citizinship. Are we counting the Quebecois nation?danmand said:I found out yesterday, that John Turner, when prime minister, held dual citizenship. So why is it a problem that Stephane Dian holds diual citizenship?
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Turner is Canada/UK, Dion is Canada/Francelookingforitallthetime said:I didn't know he held dual citizinship. Are we counting the Quebecois nation?
Turner wasn't P.M long enough to care ...
Hopefully Dion's dual citizenship won't be a issue.. except as loyal leader of the (large) minority opposition..
Hopefully Dion's dual citizenship won't be a issue.. except as loyal leader of the (large) minority opposition..
Seems to me that if you did not like the country you were born in enough to stay there. You should adopt citizenship of the country you choose to live in.
Before the "MY PARENTS MOVED ME HERE" arguement begins. Ask yourself if it was so good there why did they leave and not go back.
Before the "MY PARENTS MOVED ME HERE" arguement begins. Ask yourself if it was so good there why did they leave and not go back.
Dion was born in Canada. Most countries have the opposite of the US rule; Wherever you are born, you get the citizenship of your parent(s).papasmerf said:Seems to me that if you did not like the country you were born in enough to stay there. You should adopt citizenship of the country you choose to live in.
Before the "MY PARENTS MOVED ME HERE" arguement begins. Ask yourself if it was so good there why did they leave and not go back.
papasmerf said:Seems to me that if you did not like the country you were born in enough to stay there. You should adopt citizenship of the country you choose to live in.
Especially if you think your worthy of "running" said country..
Neverenuff$ said:Turner, who was born in England did exactly that. Dion was born in Canada.papasmerf said:Seems to me that if you did not like the country you were born in enough to stay there. You should adopt citizenship of the country you choose to live in.
Especially if you think your worthy of "running" said country..
I was born and raised here, and have never lived in my parents homeland unless I was on vacation or travelling.papasmerf said:Seems to me that if you did not like the country you were born in enough to stay there. You should adopt citizenship of the country you choose to live in.
Yet their laws allowed me to have citizenship because it was passed down to me by my parents and so I took advantage of that.
I fail to see the what the issue is.
Having this has helped my life and career, In Canada. I am able to work anywhere in the EU without a Visa, so I have many opportunities to work on prohjects for my organization. I speak 3 languages fluently because of it.
I'm a better global citizen and thank Canada's tolernace for letting me do that.
You cannot lump us in with the situation that occurred in Lebanon.
Now if you're talking about a public, high ranking, government figure, that's a different debate as well.
I didn't know it was a problem. But I wonder if Dion will vote in the Presidentials next May - and for whom?danmand said:I found out yesterday, that John Turner, when prime minister, held dual citizenship. So why is it a problem that Stephane Dian holds diual citizenship?
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I too have Canada-France dual citizenship; but I never vote in French elections.
Apparently he has never voted in an election or plan to. He also does not have a passport.johnhenrygalt said:I too have Canada-France dual citizenship; but I never vote in French elections.
Seems to me you should not have to give up your original citizenship though.papasmerf said:Seems to me that if you did not like the country you were born in enough to stay there. You should adopt citizenship of the country you choose to live in.
What matter does it make as to what secondary citizenship a PM might hold?
What should matter are the words and actions of the PM as it relates to their loyality to the country they lead.
Dion may hold dual citizenship, but his words and actions have never pointed to any sign that he may not be totally loyal to Canada .... Harper on the other hand speaks and acts as though his loyalty is split between Canada and the USA.
I would consider Harper a less loyal Canadian than Dion ... Dion never rushed off to France to complain about how the Canadian government was anti-French ... Dion never wrote editorials in major French media disparaging Canada ... Dion doesn't have direct contacts with French political parties ... Dion, unlike some CPCers, doesn't run off for to Republican training schools in the USA ... Dion never co-wrote a document outlining a plan for a Canadian province to pull back (firewall themselves) from the Canadian federation.
What should matter are the words and actions of the PM as it relates to their loyality to the country they lead.
Dion may hold dual citizenship, but his words and actions have never pointed to any sign that he may not be totally loyal to Canada .... Harper on the other hand speaks and acts as though his loyalty is split between Canada and the USA.
I would consider Harper a less loyal Canadian than Dion ... Dion never rushed off to France to complain about how the Canadian government was anti-French ... Dion never wrote editorials in major French media disparaging Canada ... Dion doesn't have direct contacts with French political parties ... Dion, unlike some CPCers, doesn't run off for to Republican training schools in the USA ... Dion never co-wrote a document outlining a plan for a Canadian province to pull back (firewall themselves) from the Canadian federation.
What a bunch of crap. I'm always amazed at how the Liberals get away with portraying Harper as an American puppet. Chretien and Martin only talked tough about the U.S. when there was an election. Behind closed doors, they were kising major U.S. ass. That makes them opportunistic cowards in my books. Your kind of people I guess.woolf said:Harper on the other hand speaks and acts as though his loyalty is split between Canada and the USA.
Maybe because it would be a foolish complaint. Canadian governments (including this one) have always bent over backwards to appease the French. For Dion to run to France and make those complaints would be as retarded as saying Harper is not a loyal Canadian.woolf said:I would consider Harper a less loyal Canadian than Dion ... Dion never rushed off to France to complain about how the Canadian government was anti-French
The point is that Harper, Day, and their crew have shown through words and actions that they have split loyalities ... Dion has a mother who is a French citizen.
If there is an issue with Dion, then Harper and Day should already be in prison for treason.
And as for Chretien and Martin, let me get this straight ... one day conservative loons will call them US bashers, then the next day they are US ass kissers? Come back when you get the story straight.
If there is an issue with Dion, then Harper and Day should already be in prison for treason.
And as for Chretien and Martin, let me get this straight ... one day conservative loons will call them US bashers, then the next day they are US ass kissers? Come back when you get the story straight.
I'm not the one who needs to get my story straight woolfy.woolf said:The point is that Harper, Day, and their crew have shown through words and actions that they have split loyalities ... Dion has a mother who is a French citizen.
If there is an issue with Dion, then Harper and Day should already be in prison for treason.
And as for Chretien and Martin, let me get this straight ... one day conservative loons will call them US bashers, then the next day they are US ass kissers? Come back when you get the story straight.
Remember how tough your buddy Martin was towards the U.S. during the last election? We now know he was blatently pandering to the Canadian anti-Bush sentiment. We know this because behind closed doors, he was taking it up the ass with regard to Canada's involvement in Afghanistan.
I have dual American / Canadian citizenship. More than likely the dual citizenship news was leaked by members of his own disfunctional party.
Ah, so when when you criticize your own country in another country's media, that makes you less loyal, less patriotic? Didn't realize you held the same view as those who blasted critical Americans as anti-American.woolf said:... Dion never wrote editorials in major French media disparaging Canada ...
It at least makes you as "unpatriotic" as having a mother born in France ... which is to say while my example is foolish, t's not as foolish as the original idea that having a French mother makes you disloyal.
I'm not saying that it necessarily makes you less patriotic, but if simply having a French mother is to be a reason to question ones loyalty to Canada, then I don't see why that paranoia should be limited to just that one "standard" ...
And if we are going to start being picky about ones citizenships, then what about Jews? Since they are automatically given Israeli citizenship simply due to the fact they are Jewish and decide to show up in Israel, should we proactively demand that they denounce their right to ever hold Israeli citizenship before taking office? Or for that matter, anyone with an immigrant parent? Should they too have to proactively denounce any right they might have to another citizenship?
And since anyone could theoretically apply for a citizenship in some other country, do we demand that all people running for office renounce any right to ever apply for another citizenship? Can't be to paranoid ... opps, I mean careful, you know.
I'm not saying that it necessarily makes you less patriotic, but if simply having a French mother is to be a reason to question ones loyalty to Canada, then I don't see why that paranoia should be limited to just that one "standard" ...
And if we are going to start being picky about ones citizenships, then what about Jews? Since they are automatically given Israeli citizenship simply due to the fact they are Jewish and decide to show up in Israel, should we proactively demand that they denounce their right to ever hold Israeli citizenship before taking office? Or for that matter, anyone with an immigrant parent? Should they too have to proactively denounce any right they might have to another citizenship?
And since anyone could theoretically apply for a citizenship in some other country, do we demand that all people running for office renounce any right to ever apply for another citizenship? Can't be to paranoid ... opps, I mean careful, you know.
