Differentiating between prostitution and sexual exploitation.
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Well, from my perspective as an escort working for an agency, 40% is very reasonable and fair.MLAM said:
I don't have the time, desire, or skills to deal with all the administrative and advertising stuff. To me, the 40% that the agency takes is well worth not having to create and manage my own website, pay for advertising, pay and arrange for photo shoots, answer emails and phone calls, keep track of bookings, arrange for and pay for a driver. All this stuff take time, money, and skills. The 40% that I pay to the agency not only covers all that, but it also provide me with a high-quality and established clientele which is also worth a lot in my opinion.
I don't think he was trying to be funny. He has a point. He either meant one of two things:Aardvark154 said:Hah, hah... but sorry not really funny Doc.
Girls who go out and get laid all the time without pay, or:
Girls working in this industry who work their asses off, and get nothing in return.
Seems kinda high IMHO
First, the article only refers to one specific arrangement at the 40% level (although Gen has corroborated that). It would be interesting to know if this is a "standard" rate.
Considering that the agents of entertainers and professional athletes generally make in the 5% to 10% range, 40% would seem a bit high. It seems to me they're providing the same service. Feel free to enlighten me.
Two additional things to consider:
There is, of course, a thought that there might be a "criminal element" which would frown on such a "rogue" agency and make it hard for that agency to stay in business, but that's probably a subject for another thread.
First, the article only refers to one specific arrangement at the 40% level (although Gen has corroborated that). It would be interesting to know if this is a "standard" rate.
Considering that the agents of entertainers and professional athletes generally make in the 5% to 10% range, 40% would seem a bit high. It seems to me they're providing the same service. Feel free to enlighten me.
Two additional things to consider:
The "criminality" of an activity will often raise the stakes. People want higher compensation to offset the risk of being arrested/convicted.
Like everything else, this is a free market, and if 40% is the "accepted going rate" for the services, it is not likely to change (significantly) unless someone steps in and opens an agency that only takes 20% from the girls.
Like everything else, this is a free market, and if 40% is the "accepted going rate" for the services, it is not likely to change (significantly) unless someone steps in and opens an agency that only takes 20% from the girls.
There is, of course, a thought that there might be a "criminal element" which would frown on such a "rogue" agency and make it hard for that agency to stay in business, but that's probably a subject for another thread.
viking1965 said:First, the article only refers to one specific arrangement at the 40% level (although Gen has corroborated that). It would be interesting to know if this is a "standard" rate.
Considering that the agents of entertainers and professional athletes generally make in the 5% to 10% range, 40% would seem a bit high. It seems to me they're providing the same service. Feel free to enlighten me.
Two additional things to consider:
The "criminality" of an activity will often raise the stakes. People want higher compensation to offset the risk of being arrested/convicted.
Like everything else, this is a free market, and if 40% is the "accepted going rate" for the services, it is not likely to change (significantly) unless someone steps in and opens an agency that only takes 20% from the girls.
There is, of course, a thought that there might be a "criminal element" which would frown on such a "rogue" agency and make it hard for that agency to stay in business, but that's probably a subject for another thread.
40% is a bit high in my opinion, especially for an outcall agency considering that the fee charge to the client is actually broken down into 3 categories. Driver, Girl and Agency. The agency fee paid by the lady doesn't actually go tot he driver, he has his own percentage.
Incalls are more to manage with needing a location and all that entails. I only take 30% of the rate fee. Of that 30% I pay for everything in the incall including phone, cable and internet. All the toilets, laundry and cleaning services. Then the administrative stuff, the website, driving the ladies to and from the incall or for outcalls, advertising, photos, business phone lines, etc. At least 15% goes right back to the agency and then the rest is profit to me which this is a full time job for me so that profit is my salary.
I know agencies in Durham that take 50% and that has been the standard for over 10 years.
Thanks for "enlightening" me Secret. I hadn't considered the "facilities" overhead of an Incall service. That certainly justifies the additional "cut", making your 30% sound pretty reasonable.SecretRendezvous said:
So, do "outcall only" services typically take less, given that they don't incur those expenses?
In any case, 50% sounds pretty close to exploitation!
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Hi,genintoronto said:
I would think 50% is more reasonable and fair. I also think that you have a spectacular body. Really, a spectacular body.
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You think she should pay MORE to the agency?enduser1 said:
If I read it right, she's only paying 40% right now.
40% for an outcall sounds a little much but for an incall it sounds about right. If you consider that most incalls are rented month-by-month rather than by the year you'll realize that often in those arrangements the rent is significantly higher. Sheets need to be cleaned, apartments scrubbed, internet phone and cable bills, not to mention soaps mouthwashes... everything really adds up fast. Oh, and the phones website photos advertising, plus time spent answering and posting...
On top of that owning an incall is a criminal activity - its owning a common baudyhouse and living off the avails of prostitution. Owners are taking on a heavy criminal liability and their compensation ought to reflect that.
I've worked for an incall agency that took 50% and expected the girls to clean, do laundry, fined them for not doing their chores, etc
On top of that owning an incall is a criminal activity - its owning a common baudyhouse and living off the avails of prostitution. Owners are taking on a heavy criminal liability and their compensation ought to reflect that.
I've worked for an incall agency that took 50% and expected the girls to clean, do laundry, fined them for not doing their chores, etc
I know many outcalls that charge 40% or even more sometimes. I know one agency out here that takes 50% and they are strictly outcalls.viking1965 said:
I have heard that before too which I really think is wrong. As the owner, I am not doing 50% of the work so I am not going to take half the money.Hiding said:
And since I am the owner, it is my responsibility to take care of the location. That includes laundry, and cleaning. The ladies have to tidy up after shift and change the sheets, do their dishes, etc. but to make them do all the incall cleaning and then fine them if they don't is a little over the top IMHO.
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Off on a tangent here, aren't we?
Whether it's 10, 40, 50 or 60% is irrelevant to the point of the article. The point is that legislating morality often aggrivates the problem by criminalizing it. Exploitation of women in the sex industry is more likely when everyone participating is considered criminal to begin with - the real criminals always have a big edge in that situation. Anti drug laws "achieve" basically the same effect.
Whether it's 10, 40, 50 or 60% is irrelevant to the point of the article. The point is that legislating morality often aggrivates the problem by criminalizing it. Exploitation of women in the sex industry is more likely when everyone participating is considered criminal to begin with - the real criminals always have a big edge in that situation. Anti drug laws "achieve" basically the same effect.
This business model is also common for stockbrokers and real estate agents. A fair chunk (maybe 30%-40%?) of their commissions go to the "house" for stuff like premises, brand name, phone, cable, internet, advertising, support staff, computers, house profit, etc. Oh, and also to pay the insurance premium for crooked brokers.SecretRendezvous said:
I don't know about other agencies, but with Cupids, the 40% that I give of my rates covers the driver fees. In other words, the agency cut is less than 40%.SecretRendezvous said:
As I mentioned above, from my perspective, this percentage is quite reasonable and fair. It covers the time, labor, and money that I would otherwise have to invest in being indy, and as I also mentioned before, it also comes with an established and good-quality client-base. I believe it makes a very significant difference in the income that one is able to generate, especially when starting in this business. In addition to these, working for an agency also provides me with a support system from people who know this business very well and who can share this knowledge with me. This is also worth a lot in my opinion, if only in terms of my safety.
Well, I know that in Vancouver, 30-50% is normal.viking1965 said:
If the agency takes 30%, there might be additional advertising fees and "shift fees" etc. I even know of one agency that takes 50% and doesn't provide a driver for outcalls! (The lady has to pay)
If, as Gen mentions, the agency takes 40% and actually provides everything from photoshoots, to booking appointments, to advertising, to security and drivers, and so on, then I also agree with her that it is a reasonable deal.
Advertising, booking appointments and arranging everything takes about 2 hours out of every day for me, whether I'm making money that day or not. So I understand why some ladies would rather only work on the day they actually make money, and give an agency a cut in exchange for saving them so much time and hassle.
So, it looks like 40% (more or less) for the house is probably the norm for this industry. The % could be much higher in other industries. My lawyer works for a major law firm. He is billed out at $500 an hour (ridiculous I know). I doubt he sees more than $150 of that on his payslip. Of course, his boss would say that he could always go independent.Holly Taylor said:
Let me tell you what is criminal. It is law firms that work their articling students (aka indentured slaves) 80 hours a week, bills them out at $200 an hour and throws them a bone and stone soup twice a month on payday. Slavery is alive and well in 2009.y2kmark said:
