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peachkitten44

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Wednesday I had the worst day in the almost 2 decades off and on working in this industry.

I was offering duos with a friend. After running GP, I’m well versed in booking appointments and screening — or so I thought. We had so many ridiculous cancellations I can’t even count. Harassing messages demanding photos. The cadence and misspellings of certain messages were probably from one person but of course I have no way of being certain.
I’ve been reading through the threads in here and I’m both relieved and disappointed (disgusted even, at times) that it’s not just me receiving these fake bookings.

I’ve read that other providers request deposits and I’m just curious as to how much….and for those that are not asking for deposits, how do you avoid the fakes?
 
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Let's face it, the average person doesn't see the value in a duo and when both providers are priced at their usual hourly rate a duo isn't great value, it's more of a bucket list item or a celebratory event. The higher price point you are at the lower your closing rate will be so expect an increase in inquiries asking about service details, pricing, pictures etc.

As far as fake bookings, there is no motive for the average person to book and then vanish. You will probably get the odd individual who gets cold feet and vanishes but it's more likely a play amongst the competition trying to dissuade you from operating as an independent.

Demanding down payments is effective but you alienate yourself from the majority of the market, hence why most don't make it mandatory.

A more logical approach would be to give a discount and priority booking for those willing to give a downpayment. That way there is incentive to the client to do so.
 

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Wednesday I had the worst day in the almost 2 decades off and on working in this industry.

I was offering duos with a friend. After running GP, I’m well versed in booking appointments and screening — or so I thought. We had so many ridiculous cancellations I can’t even count. Harassing messages demanding photos. The cadence and misspellings of certain messages were probably from one person but of course I have no way of being certain.
I’ve been reading through the threads in here and I’m both relieved and disappointed (disgusted even, at times) that it’s not just me receiving these fake bookings.

I’ve read that other providers request deposits and I’m just curious as to how much….and for those that are not asking for deposits, how do you avoid the fakes?
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Curious when someone such as yourself, who seems to be an established provider, is at their wits end regarding the impact to your business. Solely from reading the Ottawa forums it seems the general attitude on deposit is unfavourable. Personally I would feel uncomfortable as it seems too easy to have funds disappear into the ether. The sense I get is providers are forced to make a judgement call on the level of trust based on the length and quality of the dialogue in the lead up based on text or email
 

1xBurned2xShy

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Let's face it, the average person doesn't see the value in a duo and when both providers are priced at their usual hourly rate a duo isn't great value, it's more of a bucket list item or a celebratory event. The higher price point you are at the lower your closing rate will be so expect an increase in inquiries asking about service details, pricing, pictures etc.

As far as fake bookings, there is no motive for the average person to book and then vanish. You will probably get the odd individual who gets cold feet and vanishes but it's more likely a play amongst the competition trying to dissuade you from operating as an independent.

Demanding down payments is effective but you alienate yourself from the majority of the market, hence why most don't make it mandatory.

A more logical approach would be to give a discount and priority booking for those willing to give a downpayment. That way there is incentive to the client to do so.
And that’s the reason I like Terbites such as Mav. More cogent and articulate than I can be
 

peachkitten44

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I’ve never before asked for a deposit and I definitely don’t want to start now, it doesn’t sit right with me.

I’m thinking it’s likely my haters of which there have been a few 🤷🏼‍♀️

But I’m going to just keep being myself and doing things the way I’m most comfortable. If they want to continue wasting their time with such nonsense, so be it. It won’t dissuade me when I’ve decided to do something, I’m doing it!
 

peachkitten44

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The demanding of photos sounds like the MO of one particular ex-member here who’s hobby seems to be not having sessions but harassing SW to lower rates to 2015 levels. 😂
That’s quite the endeavour!! 🤣 considering I haven’t upped my 2013/2014 rates 🤷🏼‍♀️😆🤣 Well…today’s a new day! The night is always darkest before the dawn.
 

TittyTweeter

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The demanding of photos sounds like the MO of one particular ex-member here who’s hobby seems to be not having sessions but harassing SW to lower rates to 2015 levels. 😂
well as for deposits it doesn’t sit well if they are either “new” or aren’t reviewed or vetted. TERB, Twitter etc. But often a deposit is a 🚩 red flag towards other scams. Most scammers expect that most won’t call the police or want to explain to their banks etc.

as for photos - in some cases it’s worth confirmation as the ads on LL (primarily) often use fake and misleading images. Understandable they want to get attention and stand out (marketing wise), but for anyone that’s been had a bait and switch it could out Everyone at ease.
 
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Roger"verbal"Kint

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Requiring a deposit is a long debated issue on this forum. I understand both sides of the debate. There are a ton of trade offs for both the provider and the client and it's a personal decision based on what each is comfortable with doing. I'm sorry you had to deal with so many fakers PeachKitten. But Mandalorian is correct: there is one particular individual who is infamous for incessantly demanding photos and lower rates and should be blocked by every provider.
 

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as for photos - in some cases it’s worth confirmation as the ads on LL (primarily) often use fake and misleading images. Understandable they want to get attention and stand out (marketing wise), but for anyone that’s been had a bait and switch it could out Everyone at ease.
I get that. I generally avoid even wasting time on ads that are TGTBT.
 
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Requiring a deposit is a long debated issue on this forum. I understand both sides of the debate. There are a ton of trade offs for both the provider and the client and it's a personal decision based on what each is comfortable with doing. I'm sorry you had to deal with so many fakers PeachKitten. But Mandalorian is correct: there is one particular individual who is infamous for incessantly demanding photos and lower rates and should be blocked by every provider.
It's ludicrous to think that all the fake bookings is due to the work of a single person in an attempt to have a provider lower their rates. There is no motive, booking a provider then standing her up isn't going to make her lower her rates. The logic isn't there.

This is a competitive move that is brought on by organizations to strong arm independent providers. If you are constantly stood up in the booking process you have two options, find another profession or have someone else take care of the booking for you. Look to your competition not a snickering trouble maker.
 

peachkitten44

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It's ludicrous to think that all the fake bookings is due to the work of a single person in an attempt to have a provider lower their rates. There is no motive, booking a provider then standing her up isn't going to make her lower her rates. The logic isn't there.

This is a competitive move that is brought on by organizations to strong arm independent providers. If you are constantly stood up in the booking process you have two options, find another profession or have someone else take care of the booking for you. Look to your competition not a snickering trouble maker.
Instead of looking for either—-I’m just going to look forward and keep doing things the way I have always done them — trust my gut instincts and assume the best of people unless proven otherwise. Today has been absolutely fabulous in comparison to Wednesday and I have faith it’s only up from here :)
 

gibarian

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MaverickHunter, your conspiracy theories are nonsense.

Let's face it, the average person doesn't see the value in a duo and when both providers are priced at their usual hourly rate a duo isn't great value, it's more of a bucket list item or a celebratory event. The higher price point you are at the lower your closing rate will be so expect an increase in inquiries asking about service details, pricing, pictures etc.

As far as fake bookings, there is no motive for the average person to book and then vanish. You will probably get the odd individual who gets cold feet and vanishes but it's more likely a play amongst the competition trying to dissuade you from operating as an independent.

Demanding down payments is effective but you alienate yourself from the majority of the market, hence why most don't make it mandatory.

A more logical approach would be to give a discount and priority booking for those willing to give a downpayment. That way there is incentive to the client to do so.
"Average" is doing a lot of work in these contentions of yours.

We're not talking about "average" people, we're talking a specific group of abusive misogynist clients who harass SWs as a sort of sadistic hobby. It's bizarre that you're downplaying this reality, given that you've been a poster here for so long, and have inevitably seen firsthand evidence of the existence of these types of people (ie. the "former poster" several people have mentioned in this thread).

I haven't been posting here as long as you, and I *still* witnessed that poster:

- assemble a massive Google document of all the Black SWs working in Ottawa (including their pictures, contact information, and working address details without consent)
- assemble a massive Google document of other Ottawa SWs (including their pictures, contact information, and working address details without consent)
- assemble and share 1-2 massive Google documents about contacting/manipulating SWs and the process of "TOFTT" while trying to extract information/concessions from them

So you pretending that people like that don't exist is baffling. It means you either have a godawful memory, were too dull to know what you were looking at when that poster was publicly sharing those materials on this forum, or are conveniently forgetting them to accommodate your motivated reasoning.

It's ludicrous to think that all the fake bookings is due to the work of a single person in an attempt to have a provider lower their rates. There is no motive, booking a provider then standing her up isn't going to make her lower her rates. The logic isn't there.

This is a competitive move that is brought on by organizations to strong arm independent providers. If you are constantly stood up in the booking process you have two options, find another profession or have someone else take care of the booking for you. Look to your competition not a snickering trouble maker.
Nobody really said flat-out that it was a single person doing all of this. They just said that doing this was something that a forum member explicitly boasted about doing, and it matches his MO. He is certainly not the only bitter client who strives to waste SWs' time and energy with those strategies, just a specific individual we were most familiar with on here.

Logic does not come into it. These assholes do it for pleasure, out of an aggrieved sense of revenge, or a puritanical desire to punish sex workers. I bet some of these guys aren't even clients, they're just conservative/religious weirdos with an axe to grind.

There also seem to be plenty of "tire-kickers" who contact providers when they aren't serious about booking (or are contacting multiple people at once while trying to suss out the most favourable deal for themselves).

On the subject of deposits, there are many providers who require them, and somehow remain booked solid and very successful. So when you say something like taking deposits will "alienate [a provider] from the majority of the market" it's obvious that you're engaging in a scare tactic. You have no evidence that the client base who are willing to send deposits is not large enough to support any number of providers. To be sure, a provider's potential client base will be larger if they don't take deposits, but that has zero bearing on whether they will be able to secure enough bookings for their needs if they do take deposits (because the time they spend working is finite, and their goal isn't to have an infinite amount of clients).

It's incredibly wild how inconsistent your claims are, MaverickPunter.

You literally said this:

Harassing, time-wasting texts from a client to get a provider to lower her rates? Totally illogical, totally impossible.
Harassing, time-wasting texts from a competitor to get a provider to quit being indy? Now THAT makes sense.
 
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MaverickHunter, your conspiracy theories are nonsense.


"Average" is doing a lot of work in these contentions of yours.

We're not talking about "average" people, we're talking a specific group of abusive misogynist clients who harass SWs as a sort of sadistic hobby. It's bizarre that you're downplaying this reality, given that you've been a poster here for so long, and have inevitably seen firsthand evidence of the existence of these types of people (ie. the "former poster" several people have mentioned in this thread).

I haven't been posting here as long as you, and I *still* witnessed that poster:

- assemble a massive Google document of all the Black SWs working in Ottawa (including their pictures, contact information, and working address details without consent)
- assemble a massive Google document of other Ottawa SWs (including their pictures, contact information, and working address details without consent)
- assemble and share 1-2 massive Google documents about contacting/manipulating SWs and the process of "TOFTT" while trying to extract information/concessions from them

So you pretending that people like that don't exist is baffling. It means you either have a godawful memory, were too dull to know what you were looking at when that poster was publicly sharing those materials on this forum, or are conveniently forgetting them to accommodate your motivated reasoning.


Nobody really said flat-out that it was a single person doing all of this. They just said that doing this was something that a forum member explicitly boasted about doing, and it matches his MO. He is certainly not the only bitter client who strives to waste SWs' time and energy with those strategies, just a specific individual we were most familiar with on here.

Logic does not come into it. These assholes do it for pleasure, out of an aggrieved sense of revenge, or a puritanical desire to punish sex workers. I bet some of these guys aren't even clients, they're just conservative/religious weirdos with an axe to grind.

There also seem to be plenty of "tire-kickers" who contact providers when they aren't serious about booking (or are contacting multiple people at once while trying to suss out the most favourable deal for themselves).

On the subject of deposits, there are many providers who require them, and somehow remain booked solid and very successful. So when you say something like taking deposits will "alienate [a provider] from the majority of the market" it's obvious that you're engaging in a scare tactic. You have no evidence that the client base who are willing to send deposits is not large enough to support any number of providers. To be sure, a provider's potential client base will be larger if they don't take deposits, but that has zero bearing on whether they will be able to secure enough bookings for their needs if they do take deposits (because the time they spend working is finite, and their goal isn't to have an infinite amount of clients).

It's incredibly wild how inconsistent your claims are, MaverickPunter.

You literally said this:

Harassing, time-wasting texts from a client to get a provider to lower her rates? Totally illogical, totally impossible.
Harassing, time-wasting texts from a competitor to get a provider to quit being indy? Now THAT makes sense.
Are you insane or just stupid, I've been a member here for a month, I have no idea who you are talking about. My name is Maverick Hunter not Maverick Punter learn how to spell.
 

gibarian

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Oh, my bad. I guess that's what you get for trying to stealth remix another longtime poster's username. Unless it's just a huuuge coincidence, you totally didn't do that intentionally, it's all a big misunderstanding, etc.

Apologies to MaverickPunter.
 
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