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Death penalty or not

papasmerf

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Cinema Face said:
Those convicted of 1st degree murder should be put away for life, but they also should get a tissue scan and the data should be in a world wide database. That way if someone somewhere needs a kidney, heart, or any other life saving organ, then the felon becomes a living organ donor.

This is capital punishment that is an easier sell to the bleeding hearts. If you're responsible for taking a life then you're responsible for saving a life. That's your debt to society.
Are you willing to pay for a 19 year old to go into a life sentence and live for 82 years?
 

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Cinema Face said:
Those convicted of 1st degree murder should be put away for life, but they also should get a tissue scan and the data should be in a world wide database. That way if someone somewhere needs a kidney, heart, or any other life saving organ, then the felon becomes a living organ donor.

This is capital punishment that is an easier sell to the bleeding hearts. If you're responsible for taking a life then you're responsible for saving a life. That's your debt to society.
It has been reported that China does something similar .
 

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OH I like this solution...

Cinema Face said:
Those convicted of 1st degree murder should be put away for life, but they also should get a tissue scan and the data should be in a world wide database. That way if someone somewhere needs a kidney, heart, or any other life saving organ, then the felon becomes a living organ donor.

This is capital punishment that is an easier sell to the bleeding hearts. If you're responsible for taking a life then you're responsible for saving a life. That's your debt to society.

as for if they are in jail for years and years.... and my tax dollars have to pay for it... so be it... it is doing that right now.... but take away the luxeries such as telephones, computers and televisions..... and let them sit and wait and wait...

just my two cents :rolleyes:
 
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yychobbyist

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It has been reported that China does something similar .
Yeah, and the Chinese are such humanitarians that when they put a bullet in the back of your head they bill your family for the bullet just to remind them to shut up and not bitch too loudly about your death.
 

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papasmerf said:
Are you willing to pay for a 19 year old to go into a life sentence and live for 82 years?
It's cheaper than paying the slime ball lawyers to argue over it for 10 years.

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Ever notice how lawyers are always "slimeballs" and "money grubbing"?

Let me ask you lawyer-haters a question. Do you know why Shakespeare wrote "first thing, let's kill all the lawyers"? Do you know what it means in the context of the play?
 

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yychobbyist said:
Yeah, and the Chinese are such humanitarians that when they put a bullet in the back of your head they bill your family for the bullet just to remind them to shut up and not bitch too loudly about your death.
It seems to me that one of the best arguments against the death penalty is the type of countries that practice it. Ok, I'm being a bit sarcastic here. However, you do find very few democratic developed countries on the list.
 
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It seems to me that one of the best arguments against the death penalty is the type of countries that practice it. Ok, I'm being a bit sarcastic here. However, you do find very few democratic developed countries on the list.
Yup, the U.S. keeps some pretty "good" company.
 

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onthebottom said:
It's cheaper than paying the slime ball lawyers to argue over it for 10 years.

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Can you say reform and 3 appeals???
BTW the state does not pay for them
 

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yychobbyist said:
Yeah, and the Chinese are such humanitarians that when they put a bullet in the back of your head they bill your family for the bullet just to remind them to shut up and not bitch too loudly about your death.

yes but the bullets are manufactured in China- so the cost is low
 

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and yet- we trade with them and turn a blind eye to their human rights abuses. it will be great when we are all reduced to that level of existence for the betterment of walmart
 

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papasmerf said:
Can you say reform and 3 appeals???
BTW the state does not pay for them
Well, it does if the convict can't afford a lawyer, it pays the judges and it pays the prosecuting attorneys. I'd be willing to bet that it costs more to execute someone than it does to keep them in prison for life.

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yychobbyist said:
Ever notice how lawyers are always "slimeballs" and "money grubbing"?

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Yes, I have noticed that.

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Hey, my ppl are industrious and without em, how much do you think our day to day living would be and what kind of dollar stores would we have. As for turning a blind eye to human rights abuses, ahhhhh, how many ppl did US kill for an unjustified war. Life goes on.. Plus China maybe puts to death 2 - 4 thousand ppl a year, with 1.3 billion ppl there, I consider it population control. :D

I hope you are kidding. Its not the chinese people, its the government - military complex which suppresses them
 

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onthebottom said:
Well, it does if the convict can't afford a lawyer, it pays the judges and it pays the prosecuting attorneys. I'd be willing to bet that it costs more to execute someone than it does to keep them in prison for life.

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It does. In some states two or three times more expensive and in danger of breaking their budgets because of it.

http://peaceb2you.org/death_cost_penalty.htm
 

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Asterix said:
It does. In some states two or three times more expensive and in danger of breaking their budgets because of it.

http://peaceb2you.org/death_cost_penalty.htm
So Texas must really be in the poorhouse after the 150 or so executions during Dubya's watch alone. I was expecting to see Texas mentioned in the above article about the cost of executing prisoners but there was only a sentence or so. Maybe they keep their costs down the same way they do in Louisiana - by simply not paying the public defence lawyers representing the accused:

"..Several lawyers in Louisiana are asking courts to postpone death penalty cases until there is sufficient funding to pay the attorneys. Because of a loss in revenue, private attorneys appointed by the court to handle death penalty cases as well as other criminal cases have not been paid in a year. The lawyers who handle these cases are concerned about the consequences for their clients: "I think poor people get poor representation. They are represented by overworked public defenders and private lawyers who aren't getting paid. That is not equal justice." (The Advocate, 4/5/99).."

What lawyer could afford to put up a proper defence of his client knowing he may never be paid? No wonder they throw these cases involving poor defendants. They'll go broke if they don't. This is insanity!
 

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slowpoke said:
So Texas must really be in the poorhouse after the 150 or so executions during Dubya's watch alone. I was expecting to see Texas mentioned in the above article about the cost of executing prisoners but there was only a sentence or so. Maybe they keep their costs down the same way they do in Louisiana - by simply not paying the public defence lawyers representing the accused:
Another link. The reference to a Dallas Morning News article is at the bottom. Texas spends three times on death penalty cases as it would cost to keep in inmate incarcerated in the highest security cell for 40 years.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7
 

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It's not easy being right all the time!

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onthebottom said:
sigh

It's not easy being right all the time!

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Oh brother. Considering I mentioned this earlier in the thread, and have posted similar links about the costs involved with death penalty in the past, perhaps it just seeped into your memory without you knowing it. Sheesh.
 

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after spending sixteen years in a federal pen i say death to all that deserve it especially killers and molesters.
you , the taxpayers are paying $100,000 a year to keep criminals in a medium/max institution in ontario.
there are so many scum bags wasteing YOUR money (and the government condoning it) it makes me sick.
there is so much waste in government run programs that i haven';t paid taxes since 82 and still make $350,000./year tax free (helps pay for the sp addiction!
 
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