Dear Terbites: Would you like to see a new Strip Bar Discussion added to Ottawa?

[HUGS_KISSES]

I think this forum works fine as is. But thats just me. OP started a poll on the other board and there are indications that it didnt go so well. My advice is that OP needs to chill on the strip club love.

Please state the facts not fiction!!!

Nesbot please state the facts as they are. The poll there was to vote on best strip bar in NCR NOT whether or not we want to have a strip bar section and it went very well as many participated and voted. Pigale was voted best in NCR and Barbarellas was voted best in Ottawa ahead of Barefax, Playmates and the unpopular NuDen by large margin. Everything was fine and comments within the poll thread indicated many were happy to see such poll until......

But later a gang of few came together and started attacking Barbarellas (I am not going to disclose any names or any details in public or even in PM because I am not 100% sure about the motive or what may have taken place behind the scene by former Barbs disgruntle worker and her few likely manipulated clients) which was voted best in Ottawa and in order to do so then they wished to discredit the poll which also indicated how unpopular NuDen was with voters (the new workplace of disgruntled worker!!!) which had Barberellas at the top and NuDen as last in Ottawa and therefore the few started attacking the poll a month later and claimed that the poll was meaningless because only 50 people voted (I guess to their eyes all 36 million Canadians should have participated for the poll to be valid!!! but even so in order to discredit again they would have argued that the planet's population is 6 billion!!!) and nonsense like that in order to discredit Barberellas.

 

[HUGS_KISSES]

huh? The "other board" has an SC section called - Ottawa DISCUSSIONS - Stripclubs & Dancers

Yes and many who hate (and they are many) the other Ottawa-only board (it never did or will go beyond Ottawa) and its discriminatory dictatorial biased polices with meaningless reviews (only positive allowed so act on glorious reviews you read and there is a good chance get burned) still go there or post there or register there again and again with various names (I will never go back there again myself. NEVER) BECAUSE the poor guys have no other alternatives (for strip bars) as we don't have strip bar section on this more liberal and much larger forum. It is actually quite active. I received many PMs members saying how much they enjoyed my posts and many thanks on the posts itself from various members there.

 

[Gobroncosgo]

H&K I get you feel passionately about this but in the end it's up to the Mods what they decide. We just decide whether we can live with it or not. Given the amount of traffic our Forum generates I get why there hasn't been much push for a separate Forum. It's not like our thread volume is massive like TOR/MTL. One can follow threads that are a week old or less in the first 2 pages, on TOR/MTL it's 4-5x the volume so I get the division there, and the lack of division here.

Honestly you can point to a poll but the drive for change seems driven as a 1-man band. It's easy to click on a poll it's another to commit to contribute to meaningful traffic. I post every time I see an OTT SP - asking who wants extra Forums isn't really the Q - more would contribute regularly to the other topics and how much separate volume it would create. Looking at the number of threads on the other topics, not like it seems like more forums really addresses any issues beyond niche topics. The OTT Forum volume just doesn't support that kind of division. Just my 2 cents.

 

[HUGS_KISSES]

H&K I get you feel passionately about this but in the end it's up to the Mods what they decide. We just decide whether we can live with it or not.
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Thanks for your comments Gobroncosgo. Yes but I am hoping that the Mods take the wish of the members into consideration when they make that decision. And no I won't live with it. I won't post on a purely escort forum for personal (and legal) reasons unless we have a separate forum or sub-section for it (I don't know why everyone is referring to each sub-section as a forum!!!!!).

Given the amount of traffic our Forum generates I get why there hasn't been much push for a separate Forum. It's not like our thread volume is massive like TOR/MTL. One can follow threads that are a week old or less in the first 2 pages, on TOR/MTL it's 4-5x the volume so I get the division there, and the lack of division here.
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Well then maybe we need incentives to generate more traffic. Like a new strip bar section. Hire more and grow and generate wealth. Yes I know a bit about economics lol. In fact I have received PMs that shows wait and see for the strip bar section decision before the honorable member(s) posts any.

Honestly you can point to a poll but the drive for change seems driven as a 1-man band. .

How could it possibly be a 1-man band when 30 other members have voted to have a new strip bar section on this forum for Ottawa!!!!!???. And no I have only ONE account here lol or did you mean the other 30 members who voted yes were all women??!!!.

 

[Gobroncosgo]

H&K I have no dog in this show. Just that while PM's are great the overall volume in this Forum doesn't really call for more division. I mean look at this thread you literally supply over 50+ percent of the posts in this thread and probably more in the other SC thread. And you are the most motivated out of anyone. Thus the 1-man band statement fits. Again a poll is meaningless when it comes down to actual posting volume. If it meant something it would translate to greater volume before this thread. To say volume is being held up by the lack of a forum is just wishful thinking.

Take it FWIW like I said before I have nothing to gain or lose by saying this. Just looking at it from the outside.

 

[HUGS_KISSES]

Please don't be easily offended. We are just debating the pros and cons. Yes as a pioneer for the new section it is not surprising that I post more than others maybe as you said 50$ to respond to both positives and negatives, remind people to cast vote. It is normal.

We agree to disagree but that is all. And I never said you had something to gain!!.

I don't have anything to gain either. I am NOT a strip bar owner or in any way associated with a strip bar or benefit in remotest way from dancers other than frequenting there as a strip bar patron as it is the only remaining legal mean to pay for time spend with ladies.

Why I am doing this?
My motive - I am coming across a number of young ladies at bars whose incomes depend on this slowing business. They are classy some well educated young students or single mums or support themselves or families. They have been hit bad Especially at Barbarellass that as a result of recent anti-Barbs campaign by few with ridiculous false rumors they spread (denied by everyone I talked to at Barbs) on the worthless other board, some dancers (some of them I know for a long time and I care) have been hit real bad.

One with tears in her eyes told me that she couldn't pay her rent last month and the other has gone on social assistance (yes the whole 4 hours I was there they didn't go to CR except me for 3 dances each). The other made only $40 the whole afternoon (this is less than minimum wage). My heart breaks when I see these nice deserving ladies are paying a price (either because of slowing business or a hateful few campaigning against Barbarellas). So I want to promote the deserving dancers. This is my only reason that I wish for a separate section for strip bars. As I said I will not post (or promote) in an escort exclusive section. I want to make it a win-win situation for you (because of reviews in strip bar section you would know who those deserving angels are who wish to show you the gateway to heaven and where) and them to see deserving gentlemen like you and make a bit more. You could say my motive is to see everyone happy and rewarded. I do NOT benefit financially in any way not even remotely. I am just a strip bar patron who wish to make it a win-win situation for everyone that is all.

 

[r__d_ott]

Really think it would be a lot better and, yes, more convenient for forum users to have a separate section for SC discussion. As posted earlier, I've been a bit hesitant to post re SCs since the volume of SC discussion seemed to diminish to pretty well zero in the Ottawa sections.

Agree that the way the 'Not much Taboo at Taboo' thread expanded in scope until it wasn't 'much Taboo' at all indicates that there is some interest in this topic here on terb. Is there 'enough' interest? Who can say at this juncture?

If we have a dedicated section, some may be more inclined to post but it's difficult to say. I certainly will.

 

[bangminton]

H&K: no disrespect but your definition of angels and gateway to heaven is vastly different than mine so don't try to shove that bullcrap down our throats please.

 

[HUGS_KISSES]

bangminton: no disrespect but That was just a fictitious definition of having a good time but takes a bit of intelligence to understand this.

I had to respond in kind but as opposed to yours without the use of bad language as is the norm with me (and I usually respect other people's views) but please respect other people's opinions and views and definitions and it is not only yours that counts. You are entitled to your opinions and I am to mine. You do not like strip bars then do not click on this separate section. It is as easy as this really a 5 year old can comprehend. I hope you can too again no disrespect.

 

[r__d_ott]

H&K: no disrespect but your definition of angels and gateway to heaven is vastly different than mine so don't try to shove that bullcrap down our throats please.

......and if there were a dedicated SC section, those who were not interested in certain approaches to "heaven" could more easily avoid having "bullcrap" shoved down their throats as described above in such a respectful manner.

And I point this out with "no disrespect".

 

[HUGS_KISSES]

There's no separate threads about any specific dancers, .

Lets starts with this and I respond to your other comments later. whiteman, I am sorry but this is not true at all. I myself started threads for Kitty cat (beautiful brunette) and Harley (beautiful blonde and Sammie (very cute friendly blonde) at Barbarellas. And before me as went back and I saw threads for other very popular ladies like Phoenix at Barbs and Jenny at Barbs, Bridgette at Barbs, Raven at Barbs and many many others. That said we do NOT have to keep the format of the useless other board. We can have our own format and REVIEW each and every dancer we meet in a separate thread. Who said the other board should be followed here?

There is a 411 section here, which according to Mod is catch-all miscellaneous discussions forum, anything that's not a review is a 411. I think that's a more than appropriate location to have these discussions.
As I said, easy to accommodate on the 411 forum.

No. The strip bar section is mostly to promote deserving dancers. It is going to be mostly REVIEWS not to ask questions about dancers. 411 rarely happens for strip bars BECAUSE they do not advertise say on backpages so that patrons may see their ad or pictures and then ask for info about them though it does happen that a patron hears a name or sees her and asks how she is in the CR or when she dances or if she still dances and that would be in same Reviews and Discussion for strip bar section.

 

[HUGS_KISSES]

"Pigales dancers", "Playmate's ladies", "Barefax", "Nuden", etc., etc. There's no separate threads about any specific dancers, so everything is encapsulated within a very small number of threads. The threads get very large over the years, sure, but it is a small number of threads. You don't need a separate forum for such a small number of threads. It's easy to find the strip club threads, just put them all in the 411 section, and header them with the names of the clubs. You want to find info about a specific dancer then do a search within the thread for her name..

Again not true whiteman. Those threads you mentioned (Btw you forgot the largest of all the Barbs thread with hundreds of pages and 400k views) are mostly dancers being reviewed or just mentioned and not the review of strip bars. But yes strip bars can be reviewed too why not. That is is a REVIEW. Nobody is going to ask where Barbs is so no need for 411 but yes one can review Barbarellas as best of his experience and why. And see who are the recommended dancers there to see or look for. And again I am sorry not true. there are HUNDREDS of threads in the strip bar section. Hundreds but the 4 major ones out of many hundreds are Barbs Dancers, Pigales dancers, Barefax Dancers and Playmates dancers with 80% of material there in these 4 thread review of dancers or as you said just dancer name is mentioned in a positive manner as recommendation.

 

[HUGS_KISSES]

Toronto has several suburbs, each about the same population as Ottawa or Gatineau, so there's a lot of clubs there, all over the place in several little enclaves. That's why there's a separate Toronto section for strip clubs.

I think it's dead on here because at one time it was considered off-topic here.
As for the industry being dead, this industry has been dying ever since the advent of Internet porn. It has nothing to do with the amount of discussions on forums such as these. There is an impression that strip clubs are a non-interactive, view-only platform, and if you want non-interactive, just go to the Internet and a view a pic or a video for free. Of course, it's a little bit more interactive than a porn video or picture.

Lets make it on-topic. Then why strip bar Ottawa section is so active on the other board? I personally have about 20 to 30 currently active dancers to review here IF we get our wish for a separate section and 5 more to describe at various bars (all except NuDen) that is 30+ threads in the first month by one member only and remember there are 30 others who wish to participate so far. Those who do not like to see my or others' reviews of dancers just do not have to click on this separate section.

No I don't think it is the internet porn (porn magazines are affected by it not strip bars where you can see and choose in flesh rather than papers). I think It is the damn backpages where many pimped and forced are listed.

 

[HUGS_KISSES]

Really think it would be a lot better and, yes, more convenient for forum users to have a separate section for SC discussion. As posted earlier, I've been a bit hesitant to post re SCs since the volume of SC discussion seemed to diminish to pretty well zero in the Ottawa sections.

Agree that the way the 'Not much Taboo at Taboo' thread expanded in scope until it wasn't 'much Taboo' at all indicates that there is some interest in this topic here on terb. Is there 'enough' interest? Who can say at this juncture?

If we have a dedicated section, some may be more inclined to post but it's difficult to say. I certainly will.

Thank you very much for deciding to post your views in support of the new section r__d. Well stated very thoughtful comments as always .

Silent majority please speak up and post your support as clearly we are leading but somehow the No side is more active in commenting!!!!! Or is that because I do all the talk for the Yes side lol??.

 

[r__d_ott]

I think it's dead on here because at one time it was considered off-topic here. Probably at that time the forum databases were choking from the size of the threads, so they probably limited discussions to SP & MA services. Now that there's a 411 section, I think they can probably stretch out with the discussions again.

This has been my concern. The waning of SC-related threads led me to wonder if this indeed would be considered "off-topic" here and thus unwelcome. As a result, felt some inhibition about registering and initiating SC threads. When registered, was able to search the forum archives and realized that there were a number of fairly active SC threads in the past, many of them quite informative and entertaining (anybody recall 530marcus? - his posts were always ....uh...fascinating.....especially those about "barbarella's......DIAMONDS!", but I digress).

It may be that SC discussion can be accomodated in the Ottawa section as is, but a (sub)section designated for this purpose will allow potential posters to understand that they are posting in an appropriate place and not upsetting the existing applecart or shoving "bullcrap" down the throats of those who do not share a similar enthusiasm for the topic in question.

 

[Nesbot]

Just to be a contrarian. I change my vote to no. J/K.....

 

[Gntlmn]

I don't think strip clubs alone would be viable as a sub-forum. If the forums are to be split up, I'd make it:

- Escorts
- MAs
- Other

"Other" would include strip clubs, sugar babies, fetish/swinger club stuff, etc.

This presupposes removing the current two forums, of course.

Let's make it really useful.
- Escorts with short hair
- MAs who used to work at McDonalds
- Strip clubs A-M
- Strip clubs N-Z
- Escorts who who have tried being an MA
- Adult Theatres and Peep shows
- Strip clubs that are no longer open
- Kinky thoughts and stories (but not those that should go in the 411 section and piss off the forum cops)

Why stop at just 4 sections?
(yep, I prefer a single Ottawa section for everything like it used to be)

 

[bangminton]

Let's make it really useful.
- Escorts with short hair
- MAs who used to work at McDonalds
- Strip clubs A-M
- Strip clubs N-Z
- Escorts who who have tried being an MA
- Adult Theatres and Peep shows
- Strip clubs that are no longer open
- Kinky thoughts and stories (but not those that should go in the 411 section and piss off the forum cops)

Why stop at just 4 sections?
(yep, I prefer a single Ottawa section for everything like it used to be)

bobbiz would have approved this post

There is no need to find a solution for a non-existent problem.

 

[r__d_ott]

Let's make it really useful.
- Escorts with short hair
- MAs who used to work at McDonalds
- Strip clubs A-M
- Strip clubs N-Z
- Escorts who who have tried being an MA
- Adult Theatres and Peep shows
- Strip clubs that are no longer open
- Kinky thoughts and stories (but not those that should go in the 411 section and piss off the forum cops)

Why stop at just 4 sections?
(yep, I prefer a single Ottawa section for everything like it used to be)

Jeez......I think you forgot a couple of others though....

-Pointless contrarianism
-Low grade sarcasm

Add those to the list and I think we'll have most of the bases covered!

 

[Mod42]

COMPLETELY POINTLESS UPDATE

The poll will now close tomorrow late afternoon EDT. At that time, we'll have a brief discussion amongst the mods, drink a fuck-pile of scotch, argue over who banned more people this week, and then make a decision that will probably piss half the people off.

Again, not a democracy.

By the way, despite the suggestion, any new section will not be titled in a way to explicitly refer to Seeking Arrangement-type discussion, as, to be quite honest, that kind of discussion is kind of on probation here on TERB.