Dealing with LE

[iamaguyunfortunately]

Anyone ever had to deal with LE over anything related to this hobby (e.g. caught by LE at an indie incall, or even worse agency incall, grabbing massage from MP or going to indie MPA) like either resulting in a charge, or questioning from LE?

So how you guys got out of the mess you were in? OK, granted some cases might be different depending on situations.

Reading how someone was dealing with a prostitution related charge started to ring a bell with me with the legal (and also health) risks involved hobbying in this industry.

It seems like I might stick with being a recluse, indugling in high-quality pay porn and being happy with my left hand if I can't figure out a convenient arrangement here.

Thanks

 

[daKoolGuy]

Anyone ever had to deal with LE over anything related to this hobby (e.g. caught by LE at an indie incall, or even worse agency incall, grabbing massage from MP or going to indie MPA) like either resulting in a charge, or questioning from LE?

So how you guys got out of the mess you were in? OK, granted some cases might be different depending on situations.

Reading how someone was dealing with a prostitution related charge started to ring a bell with me with the legal (and also health) risks involved hobbying in this industry.

It seems like I might stick with being a recluse, indugling in high-quality pay porn and being happy with my left hand if I can't figure out a convenient arrangement here.

Thanks

Use the right hand too...it may feel left out. Also, you may develop some strong muscles. Chicken

 

[hunter001]

Rent a decent room, order a out-call from a respectable agency, it is totally legal and you don't have to worry about L.E.

 

[iamaguyunfortunately]

makes u feel better that you dove in and i didn't?

So far, within less than the year since I dove in, I drop about $1440 in this industry so you know, mostly with dancers on most occassions. plus about $180 on adult videos so far, i'm screwed.

 

[mrcheeks]

Rent a decent room, order a out-call from a respectable agency, it is totally legal and you don't have to worry about L.E.

Better yet get an outcall with an independent (that is 100% legal).

 

[hunter001]

Better yet get an outcall with an independent (that is 100% legal).

Either way you aren't going to have any legal problems.

 

[Rushmore]

I was getting a massage once when LE busted the place. It was the first time I had been caught inside a body rub so they let me off with a warning that next time I wouldn't be so lucky. They took down my name and entered it into a database.

I get my massages at a nail salon now. The massage is slightly better than at a MP, but the ending doesn't even compare.

 

[LordLoki]

Rent a decent room, order a out-call from a respectable agency, it is totally legal and you don't have to worry about L.E.

Once more Hunter is accurate. In order of decreasing risk …

#1 - Street Meat - decoys every few months.

#2 - Mps … whenever the city or neighbours apply pressure LE raids a few.

#3 - Any fixed location In-call with multiple women working it (including duos)….. Very easy charge to make stick, little work in making it stick, and easy to find. Raids normally in response to government pressure or complaints by neighbours.

#4 - Any fixed location In-call with a single woman working it….. Very easy charge to make stick, little work in making it stick, and easy to find but typically only a single person they can charge. Raids normally in response to complaints by neighbours. In many cases one complaint = a raid.

#5 - Any floating (hotel) In-Call.

#6 - Out-call

Note: Recently the LE in many areas make certain your wife / family know if you are a found in. Recently an acquaintance’s wife was interviewed as part of the investigation to determine if it ‘was a pattern’. I consider this abuse of power, as fat as I can see they just asked her the questions to get the guy in shit. Legal but not cool.

 

[drlove]

so far, i'm screwed.

Yeah, but not in a good way *lol* What is it they say??.... Dancers tease, escorts please!

 

[tboy]

Iama:

Let me ask you this since you sound so paranoid: do you also walk around wearing one of those white dust masks that many asian women do?

Do you wash your hands with nitrel before eating a pizza slice?

Dude, my advice to you is relax, enjoy life, and if you get caught doing something illegal (and outcalls are NOT illegal) then deal with it. Unless you have a criminal record you'll probably get off with a warning or a fine.

Hell, I know an agency that was busted a couple of years ago and they nabbed the 2 owners, the drivers, the phone girl and charged them ALL with living off the avails.....they all got off without so much as a fine.

 

[LordLoki]

Hell, I know an agency that was busted a couple of years ago and they nabbed the 2 owners, the drivers, the phone girl and charged them ALL with living off the avails.....they all got off without so much as a fine.

I have this thing for exceptionally bright ladies, and more than a few over the ears have been lawyers. I remember some pillow talk once where I was commenting about an individual getting away without even a fine. She gently pointed out that his legal fees would probably be around $83,000. She also pointed out that courtroom time was only a small fraction of a typical bill.

If you think an escort is expensive by the hour, try a criminal lawyer!

And yes you are right, out call is infinitly safer for the client.

 

[tboy]

Yeah, I agree (this has GOT to stop Loki) but in the case I mentioned, I was friends with one of the owners and the phone girl and while I forget the actual details of why the charges were dropped, both of them only saw a lawyer for an hour.

If I remember correctly the only thing the lawyer really did was call and inquire about the charges, called the ppl back and told them the charges would be dropped, and two days later, voila, they were.

I have no doubt however that should an incall be busted, the costs would be significantly higher (this was an outcall agency).

I honestly think the cops and prosecutor's office are more interested in cleaning up sw's and as stated, incalls that are interfereing with neighbour's lives and those that prey on young and underage girls (one was busted last summer I think it was).

ANother of my funny stories: I remember going to an incall downtown once (no longer in business) and was told which floor/door to go to. The building was pretty posh and the doors were all stained a dark mahogany. It was easy finding the incall door, I didin't even have to look at the number: the dark stain finish was worn off the door from all the knocking lol. I mean, you walked down the hall and saw all these beautiful doors and come up to one that looked like it was 20 yrs older than the rest....

 

[iamaguyunfortunately]

yeah, thanks guys for the info. Yes, I remember why I was hesitant in the first place. Tboy, you right in the fact most will be let off but I now remember that the potential legal costs (not to mention stress with dealing with this situation and hiding it at the same time) would be devastating.

I guess in that sense, outcalls (the expensive two hour cost plus cost of hotel) far outweighs the potential legal costs. (Getting busted once and footing a 5-10 k legal bill plus the anxiety) might zap up all the savings from doing incalls. Mmm I prolly dun make enough to (do outcall hobbies and still buy and do other things in life like a regular joe) so i guess try to increase my earning power first since money is king.

What, Loki i don't get it. I never thought floating hotel incalls were less risker than an indie incall. Is that because the charges are harder to stick in those situations? Hmm, how about attempting expensive take-out with a licensed body-rub MP or dancers at SC lol?

Thanks guys.

 

[tboy]

Dude, the way you talk it's like you think there's a cop in every lobby and staked out on every street. Incalls are not a priority to them and as stated, only bother when there's complaints.

I've been in the hobby for oh 6 years and have yet to hear of a legitimate incall getting busted.

I know the cops hit MPs but they are storefronts and are easy to find.

As for "floating" incalls. They less risky because they are not in the same place twice....

Come on dude. You're going to have to start thinking a little about what you are writing/asking here.

 

[LordLoki]

What, Loki i don't get it. I never thought floating hotel incalls were less risker than an indie incall. Is that because the charges are harder to stick in those situations? Hmm, how about attempting expensive take-out with a licensed body-rub MP or dancers at SC lol?

Thanks guys.

Simple. Charge requires that you show it is frequent and habitual use. One day in a hotel makes it hard to prove. But 5 adds for the same in-call location.....

The act is not the crime, having the place (rental or owned) to do it is.

But tboy is right (damn that is hard to say) the police will only get involved if they are motivated by a complaint or pressure. But on the other hand if the last client banged on the wrong door and annoyed the occupant.....

 

[STASH]

[Note: Recently the LE in many areas make certain your wife / family know if you are a found in. Recently an acquaintance’s wife was interviewed as part of the investigation to determine if it ‘was a pattern’. I consider this abuse of power, as fat as I can see they just asked her the questions to get the guy in shit. Legal but not cool.[/quote]

Fuck those pigs.

Why don't they call your Mommy too !!!!

They have no business calling anyone else. It's you who are being charged. Just shows you what fucking sub human being's the police are.

But in case everyone hasn't noticed the police in Canada and especially in the US are out of control. making their own rules and doing basically whatever they please with citizen rights and privelages

This whole country is reminding me of Germany in 1939

I love how the cops never advertise their own mistakes. But these guys do

http://www.redwhiteclothing.ca/club/page101.html

Read here to see what the pigs are really up to. I hope the Angels call there wifes and send them some nice photo's

O.P.P=NAZI
Regional cops = NAZI
RCMP = NAZI

 

[hoser1970]

Stash, don't beat around the bush, man. Tell us how you REALLY feel?

 

[Hard Idle]

Dude, my advice to you is relax, enjoy life, and if you get caught doing something illegal (and outcalls are NOT illegal) then deal with it. Unless you have a criminal record you'll probably get off with a warning or a fine.
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It's not fair to make light of the consequences of a criminal record. These days some places won't even hire people to mop the floor without a background check.

It is more usefull to explain that around here raids on legit and proper places don't really happen. And even places that are busted, it is usually not the customer who is the real target. Customers may be processed as a matter of protocol but the cops or Crown will use their discretion to drop charges, unless perhaps it was suspected that the customer was involved in other ilicit dealings, or participated with full knowledge of some situation involving abuse, coersion, age or immigration violations.

Watching American COPS shows on TV, it's easy to think there is a sting operation on every corner. Indeed, I'm sure in some US states morality policing makes up the bulk of LE activity. Around here though, you have more to wory about if you are smoking, not wearing a seatbelt, or using an independent satelite provider.

 

[Rockslinger]

I was getting a massage once when LE busted the place. It was the first time I had been caught inside a body rub so they let me off with a warning that next time I wouldn't be so lucky. They took down my name and entered it into a database. (

The Toronto Chief of Police said that his officers have more important stuff to do than waste resources chasing people engaged in consensual adult sex. "Illegal consensual adult sex" sounds like an oxymoron, doesn't it?

Rushmore: Now that you are in the police database, please do not apply for a teaching job at the David Miller Elementary School because this incident will show up in your police reference report.

 

[gdurham]

edited by moderator.

I was told by an SP that a local incall place was getting complaints...I decided to stop going there for a while just to be on the safe side. I think it is 'no harm, no foul' for the most part, but I would think that the LE has to at least look into complaints.