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Young_City

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Just read this on fightnews.com:


The official Nevada master scorecard lists Oscar De La Hoya as fighting out of the blue corner, and Floyd Mayweather fighting out of the red corner. In reality, it was De La Hoya fighting out of the red corner and Mayweather out of the blue corner. Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer is currently investigating whether the scores were recorded accurately.
 

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Young_City said:
Just read this on fightnews.com:


The official Nevada master scorecard lists Oscar De La Hoya as fighting out of the blue corner, and Floyd Mayweather fighting out of the red corner. In reality, it was De La Hoya fighting out of the red corner and Mayweather out of the blue corner. Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer is currently investigating whether the scores were recorded accurately.
Anyone who saw the fight could see Mayweather completely and clearly outboxed De La Hoya.
 

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Young_City said:
Just read this on fightnews.com:


The official Nevada master scorecard lists Oscar De La Hoya as fighting out of the blue corner, and Floyd Mayweather fighting out of the red corner. In reality, it was De La Hoya fighting out of the red corner and Mayweather out of the blue corner. Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer is currently investigating whether the scores were recorded accurately.
Did you watch the fight? De la Hoya threw too many punches that didn't land
 

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Did you watch the fight? De la Hoya threw too many punches that didn't land
I did watch the fight. And I just copied and pasted the post off the fight news site. I agree with you guys 100% Floyd won that fight and De La Hoya missed the majority of his punches. A lot of Oscar's punches looked like they landed but they didn't touch Floyd at all...

BTW, on the fightnews site they just reported that Golden Boy promotions will not persue the mistake so there is no controversy.
 

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Young_City said:
The official Nevada master scorecard lists Oscar De La Hoya as fighting out of the blue corner, and Floyd Mayweather fighting out of the red corner. In reality, it was De La Hoya fighting out of the red corner and Mayweather out of the blue corner.
If it was like golf, everyone would be disqualified.
 

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I guess I watched a different fight??? The fight I saw, Oscar dominated Floyd 8 out of 12 rounds and got robbed.

I was just glad that Mayweather Sr. said what Larry Merchant wanted to say.

My 2 cents.
 

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I guess I watched a different fight??? The fight I saw, Oscar dominated Floyd 8 out of 12 rounds and got robbed.

I was just glad that Mayweather Sr. said what Larry Merchant wanted to say.

My 2 cents.
You're crazy Baci.

Oscar was swinging wildly at couldn't handle Mayweather's speed. Did you see the percentages of hits and misses? Oscar was definitely more busy in most of the rounds but hitting 7 out of 50 plus punches thrown doesn't win the fight.
 

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I guess I watched a different fight??? The fight I saw, Oscar dominated Floyd 8 out of 12 rounds and got robbed.
Oscar threw allot of punches when they we close but I think most of them landed on Floyd's gloves and arms. I dont think allot were clean shots. I wanted Oscar to win but Floyd has a great defense and is just too quick.IMO


I give both fighters props though. They are both warriors
 

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i'll reserve my comments because either could clearly knock my jaw off.
 

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I guess I watched a different fight??? The fight I saw, Oscar dominated Floyd 8 out of 12 rounds and got robbed.

I was just glad that Mayweather Sr. said what Larry Merchant wanted to say.

My 2 cents.

Mayweather wins split decision over De La Hoya

AP - May 6, 1:58 am EDT
LAS VEGAS (AP) -- Floyd Mayweather Jr. couldn't win over the crowd, or even his own father. All he could win was the only thing that really counted Saturday night, his fight against Oscar De La Hoya.

Boxing's bad boy beat the Golden Boy in one of the richest fights ever, using his superb defensive skills and superior speed to take a 12-round split decision and win the WBC 154-pound title in his first fight at that weight.

He didn't impress the pro-De La Hoya crowd that roared with every punch thrown by their hero, and even Floyd Mayweather Sr. thought his son had lost. But Mayweather landed the harder punches and landed them more often, and that was enough to eke out yet another win.

"It was easy work for me. He was rough and tough, but he couldn't beat the best," Mayweather said. "I was having fun in there. It was a hell of a fight."

The fight that was supposed to save the sport may not have done that, but it was entertaining enough and competitive enough to keep everyone's attention even though neither fighter seemed to hurt the other and neither went down.

Both proud champions fought from the opening bell to the end of the final round, which finished with the brawl De La Hoya wanted all along. But it came too late to help De La Hoya, who lost four of the last five rounds on two scorecards, sealing his fate.

"I could see I was hurting him," De La Hoya said. "I was pressing the fight, and if I hadn't pressed the fight there would be no fight. I'm a champion, and you have to do more than that to beat a champion."

De La Hoya threw far more punches than Mayweather in an almost desperate bid to overcome Mayweather's slippery defense. He trapped Mayweather on the ropes and in the corner almost every round, throwing flurries to his head.

But many more missed than landed, allowing Mayweather to dance away, often after countering with a punch or two of his own.

"I just fought the best fighter in our era and I beat him," Mayweather said.

The sellout crowd of 16,200 that paid a record $19 million gate didn't think so, booing the decision just as it had booed Mayweather when he came into the ring wearing a sombrero on Cinco de Mayo.

And neither did Floyd Mayweather Sr., the estranged father of the undefeated champion and the former trainer of De La Hoya.

"I thought Oscar won the fight on points, threw more punches and was more aggressive," said the senior Mayweather, who munched popcorn as he watched the fight from a $2,000 ringside seat given to him by De La Hoya. "My son had good defense and caught a lot of his punches, but I still thought Oscar pressed enough to win the fight."

Two of the three ringside judges, though, gave the fight to Mayweather, who has never lost in his pro career and won a title for the fifth time in as many weight classes.

Mayweather was favored 116-112 by judge Chuck Giampa and 115-113 by judge Jerry Roth. Judge Tom Kaczmarek had De La Hoya ahead 115-113. The Associated Press had Mayweather winning 116-112.

Because this was boxing, the fight didn't end without some controversy. De La Hoya's corner said it might protest the decision after noticing that the scorecards circulated at ringside had the fighters in the wrong color corners, but the director of the Nevada Athletic Commission said they were correct.

The fight lacked the drama of the slugfest that De La Hoya wanted when he offered Mayweather a chance to make at least $10 million to fight him for the title. De La Hoya made at least $25 million for only his third fight in the last three years.

De La Hoya wanted Mayweather to trade punches in the middle of the ring with him, thinking he would win the fight on power against a fighter who moved up in weight to challenge him.

"The champion in me wanted to stop him," De La Hoya said. "I was just trying to close the show."

The fight ended with the crowd on its feet and two fighters trading punches wildly at the final bell. They then stopped and embraced each other.

In the end, Mayweather was simply faster and more slippery, and landed more punches.

Ringside punching stats heavily favored Mayweather, crediting him with landing 207 of 481 punches to 122 of 587 for De La Hoya. Mayweather also landed more power punches than De La Hoya, outscoring him 138-82.

Mayweather said before the fight that De La Hoya would fade as the fight went on, and it seemed as though he did. He used the jab more early, but got away from it from the eighth round on, giving Mayweather an easier shot at him with right hand leads.

Mayweather had predicted he would dominate De La Hoya and give him a beating, but De La Hoya took his best punches and came back with enough of his own to keep it close. De La Hoya appeared staggered by a right hand with 20 seconds left in the fight, but finished with a flurry as the crowd erupted in delight.

Actually, the crowd cheered wildly every time De La Hoya got Mayweather on the ropes and flailed away. But the punches mostly missed, and Mayweather hopped away, often giving De La Hoya a parting shot to the head.

Mayweather was a 2-1 favorite when the fight was made, but money poured in on De La Hoya and he was a 3-2 underdog by fight time. Still, there was no doubt who the favorite was among the crowd of celebrities and high rollers who paid $2,000 for ringside seats to watch the spectacle.


De La Hoya was the aggressor throughout, managing to get through Mayweather's defenses in the early rounds as Mayweather moved away and counterpunched without great effect. Every time Mayweather went near the ropes, De La Hoya tried to trap him there and land a flurry of punches to the body and head.

De La Hoya wanted to get Mayweather into a brawl, but he was having no part of it, content to pick his spots. In the fifth round, however, the fight seemed to shift into a different gear as Mayweather stood his ground and landed some hard combinations to the head.

"He's getting tired. He's getting tired," Mayweather's trainer and uncle, Roger Mayweather, told his fighter after the round.

It was a night of ebb and flow, with both boxers fighting in flurries and both having their moments. The pro-De La Hoya crowd roared loudly anytime he threw a big punch, while Mayweather smiled at his opponent every time De La Hoya landed a punch that got any reaction from his fans.

In the end, though, Mayweather's hand was raised in victory. His father got in the ring with him and they embraced.

And boxing had survived for one more night.
 

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The judge that had that fight in favour of Oscar MUST have been swayed by the crowd's reactions. It was obvious who they wanted to win. That judge should have watched the fight and not listen to the crowd. :D
 

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franky66 said:
The judge that had that fight in favour of Oscar MUST have been swayed by the crowd's reactions. It was obvious who they wanted to win. That judge should have watched the fight and not listen to the crowd. :D
I can't agree more. But at the same time if you were sitting in the crowd and you saw Oscar throwing those punches a lot of them, for the crowd, looked like they hit Floyd. Floyd has always had this problem, especially in the Jose Luis Castillo fight. Because of his defensive style the punches his opponent throws look like they hit him but they don't.

But anyways, I enjoyed the fight. I don't think the average boxing fan enjoyed it but both guys gave it their all.
 

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This fight was basically even. Nobody held any sort of advantage or made any real impression.

I could accept a scorecard with either guy winning by a couple of points depending on how you score those first 4 rounds where there was little to choose from and basically come down to style preference. I split those rounds evenly, but if someone consistently prefers one style, they could have either guy out to a big early lead.

Observations on commentary:
Punch Stats: Last I checked, PunchStats are NOT kept by God. They are split second decisions made by Human beings who are neither perfect nor without some biases. The aproximations of fans, judges and other observers are just as valid as those of the PunchStat operators.

I don't think Floyd outlanded Oscar by much at all, especially the first 8 rounds. Most of Floyds right hands were on Oscar's gloves. Many of those that got through were on the temple or side of the head - no better than those Oscar was clipping Floyd with against the ropes.

Defense: I was actually more impressed by Oscar's defense than Floyds. Oscar was catching shots on his gloves while remaining in a punching stance and often firing back immediately, while Floyd's defensive shell on the ropes forced him to wait his turn to punch only after Oscar emptied his clip.

Effective Punches: There were almost none to speak of, so you really need to stretch the definition of the term. Oscar's offense was somewhat effective in that it kept Floyd stationary and in a defensive shell for long stretches, and he did have more head snapping punches than Floyd. Mayweather punched just enough to expose whenever Oscar was gassed or out of position, and keep him from getting reckless.
 

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Mayweather 114 DelaHoya 114

My scoresheet ended up with Mayweather up 1 point - largely thanks generously giving him the 1st and 3rd which could just as easily have been 10-10. (I compensated DLH a little by making the 12th round even based on his strong last minute.)

My final tally: 1,3,5,9,10,11 to PBF; 2,4,6,7,8 to Oscar, and the even 12th.

First four were basically even but I lowered the threshold for choosing a winner - I was afraid of opening the door on too many 10-10 rounds in what figured to be a low action fight..

Both guys had a good 5th, I gave it to Floyd because in that round he fought his way off the ropes instead of just covering up, and did some punching in between Oscar's attacks.

I thought Oscar clearly took 6 & 7, while the 8th was pretty close due to Floyd getting in a couple of strong one-twos to the midsection late in the round, I still preferred Oscar's activitiy and positive purose.

Oscar's stamina held up longer than many people expected but he finally stalled in the 9th. Floyd didn't do much either but Oscar gave that one away. In the 10th & 11th, Mayweather took more advantage and had his best rounds. In the end, Oscar didn't win because he was unable to even contest rounds 9,10 & 11.
 
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I don't believe that either man deserved to win this fight.

Oscar was clearly the aggressor, and dogged Mayweather Jr in all 12 rounds. Unfortunately, this dog was too old and too slow to make much of an impact.

What surprised me the most was that Oscar's punches "looked" weak or Jr is so tough that he did not feel them. Those flurries that Oscar threw occassionally, they looked like a 6 year old trying to swat a fly, and they did the same amount of damage. How do you win a fight when you did not land one shot that might have hurt your opponent???

Jr took the position of counter XXXXXXXX. now, that was supposed to be counter punching, but Jr hardly threw anything at Oscar. so he just countered. I don't know what the final punch stats were, but Mayweather must have set the record for least amount thrown in a 12 round fight. How do you win a fight when you hardly throw a punch????

When you looked closely at the fight, neither guy connected with any kind of hard punch. (There might have been one punch that Jr. landed right in Oscars face). Most just deflected off the gloves. What's worse, I did not see any real desire in either man to try to hurt his opponent.

Essentially, this was one big training session with Oscar making $20 million and Mayweather making $10 million.

Did anyone else think the FIX was in, or was it just me? I mean it was just too good to be true. For the Oscar fans (like myself), we got to see the old man go 12 rounds with a much better fighter. For the Mayweather fans, he won the fight and the belt.
 

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lovemonkey said:
I did not see any real desire in either man to try to hurt his opponent...
Did anyone else think the FIX was in, or was it just me? I mean it was just too good to be true. For the Oscar fans (like myself), we got to see the old man go 12 rounds with a much better fighter. For the Mayweather fans, he won the fight and the belt.
No need to suspect a fix. The safety-first fight was entirely predictable and consistent with how these two approach the big fights. Their styles and previous fights dictated a low action, low violence fight that even Gandhi would approve. In fact I was surprised that it wasn't as bad as I expected.

These two usually don't mix it up unless they are sure an opponent is 2-3 levels inferior to them and very easy to read. Oscar made exceptions by opting to rumble in the first fight with Mosely, when he needed to erase memories of the late round debacle against Trinidad, and in the Mayorga fight when he needed an electrifying win to revive his career. But for the most part, they are safety first boxers.

What surprised me the most was that Oscar's punches "looked" weak or Jr is so tough that he did not feel them. Those flurries that Oscar threw occassionally, they looked like a 6 year old trying to swat a fly, and they did the same amount of damage.
Oscar had to take alot of power out of the punches in order to make contact. When someone is as slick as Floyd and thinks about nothing but defense 90% of the round, loading up on power just makes the punches more late. Also, he's always moving with the punches with head tucked in and supported by a hand or shoulder. Since Oscar's right hand is only for cosmetic purposes, Floyd could focus on blocking the hook while allowing some chopping rights to slip in.

Nevertheless Oscar did manage to snap his back several times and had a clear edge in that department. Otherwise the "effectiveness" of his attack was not in the damage it did, but in simply keeping Floyd from doing much in return for the first 8 rounds.

Conversly, Floyd only landed a couple of head snapping punches in the whole fight. His punches did not have the force to make impact if they caught any glove or shoulder along the way. However, the commentators pointed out that Floyd was looping his punches more than ususal, by throwing wider punches from a distance, he was able to get the judges attention and keep the scores close enough until Oscar ran out of gas as Floyd expected.
 
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