DDG vs. GND but makes you happy - relationship advice

[asuran]

Not unrelated to the topic but I found this to be an interesting read.
Read this almost 10 years back on a board I used to mod. Some said it was real, some said otherwise.
Took me a while to find it again.

Not sure if this would help the OP but it offers an interesting insight.

Reply to: pers-439244849@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-10-03, 4:18PM CDT

What am I doing wrong?

Okay, I'm tired of beating around the bush. I'm a beautiful
(spectacularly beautiful) 25 year old girl. I'm articulate and classy.
I'm not from New York . I'm looking to get married to a guy who makes at
least half a million a year. I know how that sounds, but keep in mind
that a million a year is middle class in New York City, so I don't think
I'm overreaching at all.

Are there any guys who make 500K or more on this board? Any wives? Could
you send me some tips? I dated a business man who makes average around
200 - 250. But that's where I seem to hit a roadblock. 250,000 won't get
me to central park west. I know a woman in my yoga class who was married
to an investment banker and lives in Tribeca, and she's not as pretty as
I am, nor is she a great genius. So what is she doing right? How do I
get to her level?

Here are my questions specifically:

- Where do you single rich men hang out? Give me specifics- bars,
restaurants, gyms

-What are you looking for in a mate? Be honest guys, you won't hurt my
feelings

-Is there an age range I should be targeting (I'm 25)?

- Why are some of the women living lavish lifestyles on the upper east
side so plain? I've seen really 'plain jane' boring types who have
nothing to offer married to incredibly wealthy guys. I've seen drop dead
gorgeous girls in singles bars in the east village. What's the story
there?

- Jobs I should look out for? Everyone knows - lawyer, investment
banker, doctor. How much do those guys really make? And where do they
hang out? Where do the hedge fund guys hang out?

- How you decide marriage vs. just a girlfriend? I am looking for
MARRIAGE ONLY

Please hold your insults - I'm putting myself out there in an honest
way. Most beautiful women are superficial; at least I'm being up front
about it. I wouldn't be searching for these kind of guys if I wasn't
able to match them - in looks, culture, sophistication, and keeping a
nice home and hearth.

it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial
interests

Craig's List PostingID:

And here is an interesting reply to the ad

Dear Pers-:

I read your posting with great interest and have thought meaningfully
about your dilemma. I offer the following analysis of your predicament.
Firstly, I'm not wasting your time, I qualify as a guy who fits your
bill; that is I make more than $500K per year. That said here's how I
see it.

Your offer, from the prospective of a guy like me, is plain and simple a
crappy business deal. Here's why. Cutting through all the B.S., what you
suggest is a simple trade: you bring your looks to the party and I bring
my money. Fine, simple. But here's the rub, your looks will fade and my
money will likely continue into perpetuity...in fact, it is very likely
that my income increases but it is an absolute certainty that you won't
be getting any more beautiful!

So, in economic terms you are a depreciating asset and I am an earning
asset . Not only are you a depreciating asset, your depreciation
accelerates! Let me explain, you're 25 now and will likely stay pretty
hot for the next 5 years, but less so each year. Then the fade begins in
earnest. By 35 stick a fork in you!

So in Wall Street terms, we would call you a trading position, not a buy
and hold...hence the rub...marriage. It doesn't make good business sense
to "buy you" (which is what you're asking) so I'd rather lease. In case
you think I'm being cruel, I would say the following. If my money were
to go away, so would you, so when your beauty fades I need an out. It's
as simple as that. So a deal that makes sense is dating, not marriage.

Separately, I was taught early in my career about efficient markets. So,
I wonder why a girl as "articulate, classy and spectacularly beautiful "
as you has been unable to find your sugar daddy. I find it hard to
believe that if you are as gorgeous as you say you are that the $500K
hasn't found you, if not only for a tryout.

By the way, you could always find a way to make your own money and then
we wouldn't need to have this difficult conversation.

With all that said, I must say you're going about it the right way.
Classic "pump and dump."
I hope this is helpful, and if you want to enter into some sort of
lease, let me know.

____________
Rob Campbell
J.P.Morgan
Diversified Industrials Investment Banking
277 Park Avenue , 16/F, New York, NY 10172

 

[MissCroft]

It's interesting - the best looking guys I've been with were also the most boring in bed. I guess looking at a nice face will only go so far....

 

[Titalian]

Hey everyone,

I'd like to ask you for some relationship advice. I've had the fortunate opportunity to recently meet two civilians whom I've started seeing. One is DDG. when we go out every guy is turning their heads at her. She is sizzling. But she knows she's hot and I'm pretty sure a lot of guys are chasing her. I haven't been able to see her cellphone but it's always going off in terms of text messages. Now , we're not exclusive, things just started so I can't lay claim to her yet. She's a very confident woman , maybe overly confidant actually. And the dynamic is - I'm pretty much always chasing after her feet. I feel insecure about that.

Now the second lady is sweet, and cute. She's attractive but not DDG like the first one . I can let my guard down with this one . We have a great time together .

But when you have a DDG and this hobby, it spoils you because you can get hot women at the drop of a hat. So it's kind of made me hooked on the looks. And the hot sex.

In terms of investing time into building a relationship do you hold on for DDG?

Or is it all about being content and happy? I know that if I stick with the GND, my eyes may continue wandering or I may continue hobbying. And I really don't want that. If I get into a relationship, that's it for me, the hobby is retired.

Or go for the DDG, but she may dump me because I'm pretty sure I'm not her only option . Or worse , she cheats on me. This is all hypothetical mind you, but these are my concerns .

Feedback would be greatly appreciated.

If your running after her feet, that's not a good start. But then again I think some of the comments on hear are generalizations and stereotyping. What I mean is I've met some very plain Janes who
can be as bitchy as any DDG lady. Don't dwell on looks too much, just enjoy yourself with both of them for the time being, see where it takes you, don't be needy and most of all be yourself and be confident.

 

[blueadonis]

Thanks for the advice everyone. Your right , I shouldn't get ahead of myself. I don't do well dating several people at the same time. But I can't tell whose better for me , it is too soon I guess. I will say though that with GND, the chemistry is very natural and easygoing.

The chemistry with DDG, I've already had a few head butts.

I guess we'll wait and see, but you can already tell I'll probably go with GND. Probably when we get to sleeping together my feelings for her will deepen. Sex has a way of doing that.

 

[foxxxy lady]

Hey everyone,

I'd like to ask you for some relationship advice. I've had the fortunate opportunity to recently meet two civilians whom I've started seeing. One is DDG. when we go out every guy is turning their heads at her. She is sizzling. But she knows she's hot and I'm pretty sure a lot of guys are chasing her. I haven't been able to see her cellphone but it's always going off in terms of text messages. Now , we're not exclusive, things just started so I can't lay claim to her yet. She's a very confident woman , maybe overly confidant actually. And the dynamic is - I'm pretty much always chasing after her feet. I feel insecure about that.

Now the second lady is sweet, and cute. She's attractive but not DDG like the first one . I can let my guard down with this one . We have a great time together .

But when you have a DDG and this hobby, it spoils you because you can get hot women at the drop of a hat. So it's kind of made me hooked on the looks. And the hot sex.

In terms of investing time into building a relationship do you hold on for DDG?

Or is it all about being content and happy? I know that if I stick with the GND, my eyes may continue wandering or I may continue hobbying. And I really don't want that. If I get into a relationship, that's it for me, the hobby is retired.

Or go for the DDG, but she may dump me because I'm pretty sure I'm not her only option . Or worse , she cheats on me. This is all hypothetical mind you, but these are my concerns .

Feedback would be greatly appreciated.

In my opinion and yes it is just an opinion. I am learning all the time about relationships of all sorts. When it comes to a man and women if it is a long time relationship you are desiring I think you have to be best of friend first of all and have a lot of things in common to make it last. It doesn't really matter about looks if you have this with the DDG or GND you are a fortunate guy. Date them both for awhile and your instincts will guide you in the right direction. I had to laugh a little when you said youe eye may wonder if you stick with the GND. it will with the DDG too, there is always going to be hot women around and people are not programmed to be monogamous. However I suppose there are people who can do this. I think swingers may actually be the happiest couples (I'm not sure) A relationship is not an ownership it is two people who love each other and it is not a control game whether it be a marriage, friendship or a band . Look at the rolling stones for example and keith is not DDG (just a little joke) but they make it work lol

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[spraggamuffin]

Inherent values,customs,norms,mores etc defeinitely play a role.

Whether she is just into the superficial, material and physical, or whether she is interested in something deeper like love, spiritual connection, soulmate, life partner etc.

An ugly duckling can be slut as much as a princess.

Also depends a lot on the man she is with and what he inspires, extracts and conjures up in her heart and her loins.

Whether he is able to keep her interested,provide for her every need(financially, sexually, doormat) etc.

Women are generally attracted to Alpha males initally, but try to change him to take on beta qualities they find unattractive in a beta male that make them not attracted to a beta male initially?

Can you say having your cake and eating it too? It's the definition of a woman.

 

[MissCroft]

The question is would you still want to be with the person when you're 90 and both wrinkly. ?? Then you have your answer.

 

[blueadonis]

Many good points you all make. I'm actually not really interested in dating because I'm so busy. I really just want to connect with someone and have a long term relationship . Hobbying has proven to be very unsatisfactory for me. I love getting off but if it's just mechanical it doesn't do it for me. I need a connection. Some of you have really made me think about the looks thing, perhaps it's not all that it's cracked up to be. Your right looks go as you get older . And if someone has looks but a shitty personality I'm back to square one . I think I'm going to put my best foot forward with GND. And let go of DDG.
Don't get me wrong GND is attractive for sure. Just not at the level of DDG but that's pretty superficial. And obviously I want more than that . Thank you all, you really helped me with which direction I want to go. Thank you so much.

 

[destillat]

Many good points you all make. I'm actually not really interested in dating because I'm so busy. I really just want to connect with someone and have a long term relationship . Hobbying has proven to be very unsatisfactory for me. I love getting off but if it's just mechanical it doesn't do it for me. I need a connection. Some of you have really made me think about the looks thing, perhaps it's not all that it's cracked up to be. Your right looks go as you get older . And if someone has looks but a shitty personality I'm back to square one . I think I'm going to put my best foot forward with GND. And let go of DDG.
Don't get me wrong GND is attractive for sure. Just not at the level of DDG but that's pretty superficial. And obviously I want more than that . Thank you all, you really helped me with which direction I want to go. Thank you so much.

If you can, please try to fuck DDG at least once before you cut her loose!

 

[blueadonis]

If you can, please try to fuck DDG at least once before you cut her loose!

Thanks for looking out for me

 

[JackBurton]

Pick the one that's treats you best. The one you can call at 4 am after a bender who will pick you up and toss you into the car and take you home and look after you til you are feeling better. Character goes a longer way in a relationship than someone with a hot ass. Looks always fade, knowing your girl has your back is worth more than a hot body and an attitude to match.

 

[oil&gas]

DDG is better trophy wife material than GND if you
are living a jetset lifestyle. I prefer having a GND wife
and keep the trophy as a mistress.

 

[blueadonis]

Pick the one that's treats you best. The one you can call at 4 am after a bender who will pick you up and toss you into the car and take you home and look after you til you are feeling better. Character goes a longer way in a relationship than someone with a hot ass. Looks always fade, knowing your girl has your back is worth more than a hot body and an attitude to match.

That's the best advice I've heard in this thread. Yeah, I want to be treated like a million bucks. My problem with DDG is she's touting how great she is but I haven't seen anything she can offer me. And she makes me feel insecure and actually not so good about myself.

 

[blueadonis]

DDG is better trophy wife material than GND if you
are living a jetset lifestyle. I prefer having a GND wife
and keep the trophy as a mistress.

I took DDG to a company event. Two of my colleagues one male and one female who are close to me had already told me they didn't like her. And they're smart as whips. They're authentic, self empowered individuals who could tell this person wasn't A class in a business setting. And DDG admitted to me she wasn't very comfortable interacting because she was out of her environment. Hmm...I'm beginning to realize that DDG can't make a trophy wife for me because of that. My representation of me is very important to me. This forum is great ! It's really clearing my head!

 

[MissCroft]

My problem with DDG is she's touting how great she is but I haven't seen anything she can offer me. And she makes me feel insecure and actually not so good about myself.

That doesn't sound good.

 

[thumper18474]

Pick the one that's treats you best. The one you can call at 4 am after a bender who will pick you up and toss you into the car and take you home and look after you til you are feeling better. Character goes a longer way in a relationship than someone with a hot ass. Looks always fade, knowing your girl has your back is worth more than a hot body and an attitude to match.

The only thing I would add to this great post is pick the one that you would do the same for...
the one that you would do anything for..
whether it was helping her out of a jam, financial or otherwise or just being there as a sounding board when life starts closing in on her
Would you move heaven and earth for her? if she asked?...would you want to? and would she appreciate it if you did?
Being involved in a 1 way relationship , whether with the DDG or GND where you give..give..give and she takes..takes..takes sucks,
If you find that to be the case, cut your losses as I said before and move on.

 

[Hornylover]

Relationships are stressful. I hobby because my SO let her self go. My SO is gnd who had a great body and took care of her self, now she doesn't give a fuck. She's has no fucking energy and it makes me sick so my advise go with ddg till it breaks down. Bang the hell out of her.

 

[OnTheWayOut]

What was the miserable part? I am not following this anecdote. (I am not trying to sound sarcastic, btw.)

She was a miserable bitch, made my life hell.

Point is, she seemed like the perfect woman in so many ways but her affinity for making me miserable didn't make it worth it.

 

[oil&gas]

Didn't read this thread, but I hate how this community implicitly "ranks" GND to be below DDG in the scale of attractiveness. Who says a literal girl next door (ie - your neighbour) cannot be figuratively drop dead gorgeous (extremely attractive)?

This comment remind me why some of the deadliest
gold-diggers didn't need to be DDG to make them attractive
to their prey. Personality (particularly the seemingly wholesome and
caring type) trumps good look as a better means to trap a
multi-millionaire. Heather Mills-McCartney and Wendi
Deng are this type of non-DDG that I can think of.

 

[Serpent]

I took DDG to a company event. Two of my colleagues one male and one female who are close to me had already told me they didn't like her. And they're smart as whips. They're authentic, self empowered individuals who could tell this person wasn't A class in a business setting. And DDG admitted to me she wasn't very comfortable interacting because she was out of her environment. Hmm...I'm beginning to realize that DDG can't make a trophy wife for me because of that. My representation of me is very important to me. This forum is great ! It's really clearing my head!

She was uncomfortable because she's probably used to getting by on her looks and in a corporate/intellectual environment where people have to work hard and prove themselves, she probably has nothing to say/contribute to the conversation.