This looks very good.Gritty and dark the way it should be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAy6NJ_D5vU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAy6NJ_D5vU
Daredevil
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'bout time! Every night I go to bed with one little prayer: please God, let there be a gritty re-imagining of a comic book superhero. We just don't get enough of those!
Looks good!!
From wikipedia it says it's also set in the Marvel Cinema Universe. Potential for many crossovers which will be amazing to watch.
Comic books I've always been more of a DC fan, but in TV and Movies, Marvel has found the perfect formula to be great long term, it seems!
From wikipedia it says it's also set in the Marvel Cinema Universe. Potential for many crossovers which will be amazing to watch.
Comic books I've always been more of a DC fan, but in TV and Movies, Marvel has found the perfect formula to be great long term, it seems!
In this case it's not a re imagining as much as a get back to its roots type of thing. Daredevil was always placed within Hell's Kitchen in New York. That they are going back to the essence of the character is very good.
Oh indeed. Just look at issue number one. So much grit and edge...
Different Era. For a long time now the character has been a vigilante type. And don't let the cover mislead you. DD was always about gritty street crime at its core.
As long as you are Googling covers, read up on the Kingpin storyline.
*sigh* It's not about Hell's Kitchen, or the "gritty street crime". It's about the look and feel of the goddamned thing they are pumping out today. It's about the atmosphere of every fucking superhero movie they make now. ...so fucking generic. Interchangeable, cookie cutter bullshit. You know when making a comic book movie that was dark and gritty was cool? When Tim Burton did it in the 80s. Now, one thousand fucking iterations later, zzzzzz. Wake me up when they do something new.
Are you sure you're watching the same stuff I am? Captain America wasn't gritty. Thor wasn't gritty. Nor the Avengers, Spiderman or Xmen(last two).
New shows The Flash, Agents of Shield, Agent Carter? Nope.
What they have been doing is fleshing out storyline, characters and spending money on effects where needed.
Hey if you don't like the genre that's fine. These things tend to go in waves and with advances to CGI all of these iconic and sundry stories, characters and settings can now be told properly.
What's most interesting is the continuity. Between shows, movies and crossovers. all weaving really one tale. That's what's I'm loving.
I guess we define "gritty" differently. I found the psuedo dark-n-moody bits of Cap'n America particularly jarring, considering that it's Captain motherfucking America fer chrissakes. Even the shows and movies with good writing and/or acting (like the Avengers, thanks Joss Whedon!) veer too far into the dark-n-gritty trap from where I sit. Well, maybe not Agents of Shield. Non-coincidentally enough, that's the only genre TV property that I enjoy watching.
...maybe I'm just bitter at the Kingpin casting. Shoulda been King Kong Bundy in his prime, and not, as Omega pointed out, this Rob Ford-ish looking feller.
Bundy I agree would have been perfect!
That being said the actor Vincent D from Law and Order Criminal intent is a great choice. He has the chops to pull off a well rounded and interesting Kingpin.
I realize that at times sometimes things have to be a bit darker. But unless the tension ramps up and there is conflict in the character the shows won't make it for the mass audience.
And Cap stayed true to his roots in the second movie. It was Shield and Hydra that caused his dilemmas.
Check out the books where the US gov't takes away his costume and shield and replaces him when he won't follow orders from them he feels are illegal and dirty.
There is quite a bit of dark in the comics.
But the show that The Flash is spun off from, Arrow, is pretty gritty.
As an aside; Arrow is one of my favorite shows but one of my biggest nitpicks with it is that they were initially going to keep it "grounded" like Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy, or at least as grounded as you can keep a show about a guy who fights crime with a bow and arrow, and now with the introduction of superpowers, that seems to have gone out the window.
Edit: I'm also not digging the guy they have playing Ra's al Ghul on Arrow. When I heard that Oded Fehr was rumored for the role, I was pretty excited and I think he would have killed in the role. I'm just not feeling Matt Nable from the couple appearances he's made.
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THe series is based mostly on the Frank Miller run of the series...which should make for compelling TV.. the casting for Kingpin is perfect..dont ever doubt Vincent D'Onorfio's skill as an actor...he can play literally anything... and no doubt will kill in this role...can;t wait for the Elektra v. Bullseye v Daredevil storyline...one of the best in comics
hehe... "well rounded" Has great bear hijacked your account?
I'm guessing those comics are post Dark Knight Returns? That's the real ground zero for making everything too damned grim and dark, and not the Tim Burton movie that borrowed so heavily from it. (have you watched his Batman lately? What was shockingly grim and dark at the time now looks downright campy. Seriously. We gotta dial this shit back, dammit) Andyways, if the "gov't takes cap's toys" storyline is as recent as I suspect, even if it might be good (haven't read it), I doubt it serves as a precursor to what I see as an annoying trend. Part of it rather. Just, an in print, earlier part.
Speaking of Dark Knight Returns/Frank Miller...
In spite of the fact that the whole dark n gritty shtick is his fucking fault, this minor detail makes me want to watch the damned thing now.
On a related note, I just remembered: Constantine was great. Motherfuckers cancelled it too! Anyone else enjoy the fuck out of that brief bit of fun? Figures it got shitcanned, since it was actually watchable. But Arrow lives on *shudder*.
Story was in the 80's actually. That's how long ago this kind of thing started.
You can date this back in Marvel history to the Gwen Stacy death in Spiderman really. That was a turning point.
And if you look at Iron Man in fact it is a bit more on the lighter side so far. Tony Stark in the comics becomes a raging alcoholic, and this started in the 80's to early 90's. Lost everything.
Tim Burton's Batman was dark compared to the Adam West series and the Saturday Morning stuff, but not some of the comics. Remember he was originally (and still is) titled under Detective comics. They were all gritty when produced and it was this genre that led to the restrictive comics code.
Batman has always been a pychological thriller filled with archetypes of mental disorders, the Batman included.
In the end it's about how you much the reader/viewer cares about the characters, and the only way to truly achieve that in live action is to somehow make them relatable with flaws.
Sure. But I'm suggesting that this can be done without the brooding atmosphere and soundtrack, shitty lighting, and almost nihilistically bleak personalities. Part of why the Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy were such fun flicks was that they mostly avoided that shit. A hero that is relatable because they have a sharp wit and humanizing character flaw is great. A hero that is relatable because the soul-crushing intensity of their personal hell can only be expressed through endlessly underlit teal and orange sequences and a soundtrack that whispers suicide... isn't relatable.
Actually what I'm suggesting is there is room for both. Sometimes I want one or the other. It depends on the character. I enjoy the light stuff too. And I certainly don't want them all to be the same.
