Cyclist, walkers seriously hurt in crash along U of T

[wiskey bravo]

Yup! I'm fine with bike lanes, but dont put them on major arteries like St. Clair, Bloor, Danforth, Eglinton....etc.
Put them all on side streets and you'll reduce accidents by a lot

I agree 100 percent banning bike lanes on major streets. But side streets? Where can you put a bike lane on a side street? You got cars parked on both sides of a street and side streets are not as wide. This may work for a limited amount of wide side streets but overall this idea will fail. Lets assume a side street runs North to South which probably means it connects to either a West to East major road way . How is a biker going to get to this side street? Majority of these side streets feed of a major street. Truthfully we have no room for any bikes. Let's face it, every street in Toronto is becoming a major street.

I remember back in the days playing street hockey. Now there's no room for that in Toronto. And I'm okay with that.

 

[jalimon]

Be afraid.

First, they came after your masculinity, then they came after your pronouns, now when they come after your motor vehicles, you will not be man enough anymore to resist.

Be very, very afraid, Phyllis.

Who is they? The voice in your head or the bullshit spitted out by the craziest no brain of the right?

I am not afraid.

 

[Anbarandy]

I agree 100 percent banning bike lanes on major streets. But side streets? Where can you put a bike lane on a side street? You got cars parked on both sides of a street and side streets are not as wide. This may work for a limited amount of wide side streets but overall this idea will fail. Lets assume a side street runs North to South which probably means it connects to either a West to East major road way . How is a biker going to get to this side street? Majority of these side streets feed of a major street. Truthfully we have no room for any bikes. Let's face it, every street in Toronto is becoming a major street.

I remember back in the days playing street hockey. Now there's no room for that in Toronto. And I'm okay with that.

This is not a thread about bike lanes, side streets or major streets.

This is a thread about a pickup truck driver leaving a trail of destruction and carnage and an urban hellscape in inner city, urban Toronto that would make Godzilla proud.

Fact is this:

Motor vehicles and their drivers are the perpetrators of inner city, urban road mayhem, destruction and carnage.

 

[southpaw]

Banning cars is never going to happen.
You might as well forget about that idea

It's not as crazy as it sounds. Maybe just in the downtown core. The problem is bikes and cars sharing the same space. Separate them, and the problem goes away.

I realize that I'm agreeing with AlBundy, but even a broken clock is right, twice a day.

 

[superstar_88]

Richmond and Adelaide have separate space for cars and bikes. It is lined with concrete blocks.

 

[Anbarandy]

Richmond and Adelaide have separate space for cars and bikes. It is lined with concrete blocks.

Yet, cars, vans, trucks seem to be able to stop/park their vehicles in these lanes despite all the signs saying, "f*ck off, no stopping/parking".

 

[Adam_hadam]

Were you there?

The police were there, read their report.

From the Driver's Handbook
Check your mirrors every five seconds or so, and check your blind spots by turning your head to look over your shoulder. Keep other drivers out of your blind spot by changing your speed and don't drive in other vehicles' blind spots.

 

[Anbarandy]

The police were there, read their report.

From the Driver's Handbook
Check your mirrors every five seconds or so, and check your blind spots by turning your head to look over your shoulder. Keep other drivers out of your blind spot by changing your speed and don't drive in other vehicles' blind spots.

Did you read their report?

Where did you find their report?

Can you post a link, a copy of their report?

1) I'd be shocked if you have seen the police report.

2) The police were not there at the time the cyclist was hit and killed by the truck driver.

3) The cyclist was unable to give a statement to the police because she was, unlike the truck driver, dead.

 

[Adam_hadam]

Did you read their report?

Where did you find their report?

Can you post a link, a copy of their report?

1) I'd be shocked if you have seen the police report.

2) The police were not there at the time the cyclist was hit and killed by the truck driver.

3) The cyclist was unable to give a statement to the police because she was, unlike the truck driver, dead.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...:~:text=The 24-year-old woman,39-year-old man.

 

[joweeejojo]

And what else do all these streets have in common?? Lets see if you're smart enough to figure this out

Asian people driving overpriced SUV's?

 

[superstar_88]

"This was totally, totally unnecessary. This was an unnecessary death that could have been prevented by simply not having a garbage bin illegally in a bike lane,"

So the bike lane was blocked illegally !!!
The bike lane was there to save lives so if it is blocked it defeats it's intended purpose.

Those who spew off more bike lanes means more deaths conveniently neglect these fine details.

 

[Anbarandy]

Did you read their report?

Where did you find their report?

Can you post a link, a copy of their report?

1) I'd be shocked if you have seen the police report.

2) The police were not there at the time the cyclist was hit and killed by the truck driver.

3) The cyclist was unable to give a statement to the police because she was, unlike the truck driver, dead.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ghost-bike-ride-toronto-cyclist-yorkville-1.7281822#:~:text=The 24-year-old woman,39-year-old man.

Yessiree Adam, I figured as much little from you.

A remark obtained by the CBC from a TPS member is NOT a Police Report.

Why do you and so many others insist on fabrication, disinformation, delusion and outright nonsense to portray the victims of motor vehicle mayhem, carnage and death as the source and root cause of their own demise when crumpled and crushed to death by a motor vehicle?

Why is that?

I know it's tough for motor vehicle drivers, but you are required to:

Not be inattentive, unaware, or distracted, not be daydreaming, careless, negligent nor reckless at ANY and ALL times when operating a motor vehicle.

One lapse of the above, even momentary, can and has led to unneeded death and destruction.

There is just way too much leeway, consideration and grace given to motor vehicle drivers.

 

[GameBoy27]

Yessiree Adam, I figured as much little from you.

A remark obtained by the CBC from a TPS member is NOT a Police Report.

Why do you and so many others insist on fabrication, disinformation, delusion and outright nonsense to portray the victims of motor vehicle mayhem, carnage and death as the source and root cause of their own demise when crumpled and crushed to death by a motor vehicle?

Why is that?

I know it's tough for motor vehicle drivers, but you are required to:

Not be inattentive, unaware, or distracted, not be daydreaming, careless, negligent nor reckless at ANY and ALL times when operating a motor vehicle.

One lapse of the above, even momentary, can and has led to unneeded death and destruction.

There is just way too much leeway, consideration and grace given to motor vehicle drivers.

It's a two way street. In any city, especially one as large as Toronto, where you have vehicles sharing the road with cyclists, there's going to be collisions. Physics says it's going to be the cyclist who's going to get the worst of it. But cyclists share some responsibility, not all, but some, to not do stupid things and leave it up to drivers to avoid a collision. This includes, following the rules of the road and not putting themselves in danger. For starters, how about wearing bright clothing and having front and rear lights when riding at night. The number of cyclists I see, especially food delivery bikes, wearing all black, no lights, no helmet, on their phones, zipping in and out of traffic, running red lights (and the list goes on), it's amazing there isn't more injuries and deaths.

Motorists also share some of the blame, but as a cyclist, you should be doing everything you can to protect yourself. Be aware, be visible, be smart and you'll greatly reduce your chance of being struck by a vehicle. It's like when parents teach their kids to look both ways before crossing the street. Pay attention cyclists.

If you think it's only vehicles who are a danger to cyclists (which you clearly believe), a friend of a friend's daughter was riding in a bike lane downtown, minding her own business, when a food delivery rider on an eBike passed her and clipped her handlebar. She fell, striking her head on the road and was in a coma for weeks. The rider never stopped. I'm not sure if she ever recovered, but last I heard, she was still in a coma. Of course, it never made the news because a vehicle wasn't involved.

I was also downtown waiting for the streetcar last month, when I saw a cyclist ride through a red light and get struck by a car. The cyclist was riding westbound, on the south side sidewalk of Queen St. when he rode through the red at Jarvis. He bounced off the hood of the northbound vehicle in the curb lane and was almost struck by a vehicle in the next lane. Thankfully that driver was paying attention and was able to avoid running him over. The cyclist was able to get up and haul his bike off the road. The cyclist then left his bent bike on the sidewalk and limped away. I gave my contact info to the driver just in case. The hood of the guy's car was damaged, which of course he'll have to pay for.

So no, drivers aren't always at fault, as you clearly believe.

 

[southpaw]

where you have vehicles sharing the road with cyclists, there's going to be collisions. Physics says it's going to be the cyclist who's going to get the worst of it.

This.

 

[Adam_hadam]

Yessiree Adam, I figured as much little from you.

A remark obtained by the CBC from a TPS member is NOT a Police Report.

Why do you and so many others insist on fabrication, disinformation, delusion and outright nonsense to portray the victims of motor vehicle mayhem, carnage and death as the source and root cause of their own demise when crumpled and crushed to death by a motor vehicle?

Why is that?

I know it's tough for motor vehicle drivers, but you are required to:

Not be inattentive, unaware, or distracted, not be daydreaming, careless, negligent nor reckless at ANY and ALL times when operating a motor vehicle.

One lapse of the above, even momentary, can and has led to unneeded death and destruction.

There is just way too much leeway, consideration and grace given to motor vehicle drivers.

I guess you missed the part that said

Toronto police have said the cyclist was westbound on Bloor, then exited the bike lane. She merged into a westbound vehicle lane and was struck by a dump truck driven by a 39-year-old man.

 

[Anbarandy]

I guess you missed the part that said

Toronto police have said the cyclist was westbound on Bloor, then exited the bike lane. She merged into a westbound vehicle lane and was struck by a dump truck driven by a 39-year-old man.

As I stated before, a remark obtained by the CBC from a TPS member is not a Police Report nor does it make it one if it is reposted in bold, large print on TERB.

Why do you insist on repeatedly embarrassing yourself, I don't get it?

 

[Anbarandy]

It's a two way street. In any city, especially one as large as Toronto, where you have vehicles sharing the road with cyclists, there's going to be collisions. Physics says it's going to be the cyclist who's going to get the worst of it. But cyclists share some responsibility, not all, but some, to not do stupid things and leave it up to drivers to avoid a collision. This includes, following the rules of the road and not putting themselves in danger. For starters, how about wearing bright clothing and having front and rear lights when riding at night. The number of cyclists I see, especially food delivery bikes, wearing all black, no lights, no helmet, on their phones, zipping in and out of traffic, running red lights (and the list goes on), it's amazing there isn't more injuries and deaths.

Motorists also share some of the blame, but as a cyclist, you should be doing everything you can to protect yourself. Be aware, be visible, be smart and you'll greatly reduce your chance of being struck by a vehicle. It's like when parents teach their kids to look both ways before crossing the street. Pay attention cyclists.

If you think it's only vehicles who are a danger to cyclists (which you clearly believe), a friend of a friend's daughter was riding in a bike lane downtown, minding her own business, when a food delivery rider on an eBike passed her and clipped her handlebar. She fell, striking her head on the road and was in a coma for weeks. The rider never stopped. I'm not sure if she ever recovered, but last I heard, she was still in a coma. Of course, it never made the news because a vehicle wasn't involved.

I was also downtown waiting for the streetcar last month, when I saw a cyclist ride through a red light and get struck by a car. The cyclist was riding westbound, on the south side sidewalk of Queen St. when he rode through the red at Jarvis. He bounced off the hood of the northbound vehicle in the curb lane and was almost struck by a vehicle in the next lane. Thankfully that driver was paying attention and was able to avoid running him over. The cyclist was able to get up and haul his bike off the road. The cyclist then left his bent bike on the sidewalk and limped away. I gave my contact info to the driver just in case. The hood of the guy's car was damaged, which of course he'll have to pay for.

So no, drivers aren't always at fault, as you clearly believe.

Toronto's self-knighted, bike lane monitor, pseudo-cyclist who amidst all of his above quoted ink blot which should be titled, 'Cyclists are the cause and perpetrators of their own and anyone else's injuries, maiming, dismemberment and death' near 400-word manifesto, manages to insert just 7 words, just 7 measly, miniscule, minor words stating:

"Motorists also share some of the blame ..."

He'd be much more forthright by serving us with his standard, default, heaping plate of:

"Cyclists are at fault, motorists are virtuous" ........ as his posting history has clearly and repeatedly demonstrated that is what he truly believes.

 

[GameBoy27]

Toronto's self-knighted, bike lane monitor, pseudo-cyclist who amidst all of his above quoted ink blot which should be titled, 'Cyclists are the cause and perpetrators of their own and anyone else's injuries, maiming, dismemberment and death' near 400-word manifesto, manages to insert just 7 words, just 7 measly, miniscule, minor words stating:

"Motorists also share some of the blame ..."

He'd be much more forthright by serving us with his standard, default, heaping plate of:

"Cyclists are at fault, motorists are virtuous" ........ as his posting history has clearly and repeatedly demonstrated that is what he truly believes.

I'm sorry that I don't agree with your opinion that motorists are always 100% at fault in any collision with a vehicle. If you read my post, you'd see that I said "cyclists share some responsibility, not all, but some, to not do stupid things and leave it up to drivers to avoid a collision." Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

I also gave an example of a woman who was severely injured by another cyclist and a cyclist who was almost killed by a vehicle because he ran a red light. I'm just saying that cyclists need to share some of the responsibility when it comes to road safety.

Do you at least agree that many cyclists needlessly put themselves in danger by riding at night, wearing all black with no lights and no helmet? Y or N?

 

[superstar_88]

I guess you missed the part that said

Toronto police have said the cyclist was westbound on Bloor, then exited the bike lane. She merged into a westbound vehicle lane and was struck by a dump truck driven by a 39-year-old man.

And you missed this part:

"This was totally, totally unnecessary. This was an unnecessary death that could have been prevented by simply not having a garbage bin illegally in a bike lane,"

So the bike lane was blocked illegally !!!
The bike lane was there to save lives so if it is blocked it defeats it's intended purpose.

Those who spew off more bike lanes means more deaths conveniently neglect these fine details.

 

[GameBoy27]

And you missed this part:

"This was totally, totally unnecessary. This was an unnecessary death that could have been prevented by simply not having a garbage bin illegally in a bike lane,"

So the bike lane was blocked illegally !!!
The bike lane was there to save lives so if it is blocked it defeats it's intended purpose.

Those who spew off more bike lanes means more deaths conveniently neglect these fine details.

First of all, I'm not blaming the victim. This was a really unfortunate death that could've been prevented in two ways. Firstly, the bin shouldn't have been in the bike lane. Secondly, the cyclist should've looked before she tried to ride around the bin and into a live lane of traffic. But the bin was blocking the bike lane. So in that case, it only makes sense to use extreme caution. I know if it was me, I would've slowed down, done a shoulder check and stopped if necessary, to make sure there were no vehicles coming before I merged into a live lane of traffic.

I cycle between 1,500 and 2,000 kms a year in Toronto. I've lost count of how many times I've been riding when I come upon a vehicle blocking the bike lane, forcing me to ride onto the roadway to go around them. I'd never for a second blindly pull out into a live lane of traffic without first making sure it was safe to do so. It's common sense or situational awareness. Whatever you want to call it.

Perhaps the woman wasn't an experienced cyclist. It's really sad she had to lose her life that way. Completely preventable.