cyclist didn't deserve manslaughter

[atherton_wing]

um...no

Any lawyer will tell you that it will be pretty hard to make that distinction in the very short time this allhappened. And so they will look at the factors that the cops were called by the girlfriend. he was drunk. bryant wasnt. he made an aggresive move to words bryant and grabbed his car and possibly tried to grab him. he gunned it because he was scared....the rest...good luck there with your crusade...you and fuji and the wrongly jailed dude too

Even if the guy felt "threatened" or "panicked" he is still responsible for the safe operation of his vehicle.

Your above points, if correct, may be why he has only been charged with criminal negligence as opposed to something more severe.

 

[dirkstoned]

Thanks again for helping me to re-live 15 years of mistaken identity. in and out of jail, beaten by the police, witnessing murders. I hope this is making you feel better at my expense. What I have trouble understanding, is your need to belittle me further knowing I've been through 15 years of abuse ? I wish I could help you heal my friend. I wish for you to have a much better shot at life than I my friend. I hope that the changes I wish to make in the system will help benefit you. I hope what has happened to me, never happens to anyone else my friend.
The troubling part of all this, is I met people with your attitude in jail, I don't see many like that on the outside. Reminds me how I miss the people inside. What was once comforting, is now disturbing. heal my friend.

Dont care one way or the other. But I will say if you want to post the rubbish you do and start threads no less... someone will call you out on it. Today it was me. There is only so much drivel I like to read before 5 pm.

 

[dirkstoned]

Even if the guy felt "threatened" or "panicked" he is still responsible for the safe operation of his vehicle.

Your above points, if correct, may be why he has only been charged with criminal negligence as opposed to something more severe.

but that doesnt include the safety of the drunk scary threat. It prob includes everyone else on the road at the time though. so maybe if he hit another car while he was driving the wrong way ...maybe

 

[thorbax]

thorby. dude. buddy. stop preaching to me. you were wronged. shit happens, sue or move on. if it wasnt your fault, did you sue? if not why? Those are things I would rather read about then what if your mom was your uncle? and what if my tits were on my ballsack?
and that begs the question...in 15 years of your ordeal, could you not find a good lawyer?

How do you go back over 15 years of systematic abuse if you didn't think to document it ?? What evidence do I have if I don't remember the hundred or so officers I've seen in 15 years. Why would I think to document anything if I didn't know to, or that someone looked like me, how do I prove that my name had special interest on police computers for 15 years. How do I prove that biased officers were treating me differently because they truly thought I was a serial rapist. if you thought I was a serial rapist, and you were a cop, would you treat that person differently ?? Human nature from what I see suggests you would and there's a very small percentage that wouldn't, if any that I've seen.
Are you going to provide $25000 for me to fight the court ?? I don't wish to spend what little life I have left earning enough to battle a corrupt system. By the way, it was Mr Bryant that refused my application for appeal when he was AG. I'm aware of Mr Bryant attitude towards lesser men personally. I have not received an apology from anyone.

I spent my life running, hiding, underground. basic survival. I had warrants all over me. Eventually DNA proved differently. Just as the public put a lot of weight on those warrants, I see the same thing happening to a cyclist who may not even be guilty of those warrants. So they do not matter, irrelevant.
What matters here is the intent behind the death of a cyclist. he has been charged, so we are all aware Mr Bryant is suffering conflicts in his statements to police.

 

[thompo69]

Yes, I heard the witness state that. What that particularly means the witness did not clearly state. Perhaps the interviewer could have asked him.

Regardless, the driver used extremely aggressive force by deliberately trying to dislodge the man from the vehicle. According to the witness, the cyclist was holding on for dear life while Mr. Bryant drove up on the curb and sidewalk in order to hit both several trees and a mailbox.

As Fuji has clearly pointed out, if the guy was holding onto the car for dear life, then he was no longer a threat, thus the force used was excessive and he should be punished for that.

There is nothing to suggest that Bryant was deliberately trying to dislodge the man from the vehicle. We know that the car moved forward with the cyclist attached, the car ended up in oncoming traffic, and the cyclist hit a mailbox and a tree. Was it intentional on Bryant's part, or had he lost control of the vehicle because the cyclist was fighting for steering wheel? We don't know, and neither do these "witnesses."

 

[Armagettin]

Your above points, if correct, may be why he has only been charged with criminal negligence as opposed to something more severe.

yep.

 

[dirkstoned]

How do you go back over 15 years of systematic abuse if you didn't think to document it ?? What evidence do I have if I don't remember the hundred or so officers I've seen in 15 years. Why would I think to document anything if I didn't know to, or that someone looked like me, how do I prove that my name had special interest on police computers for 15 years. How do I prove that biased officers were treating me differently because they truly thought I was a serial rapist. if you thought I was a serial rapist, and you were a cop, would you treat that person differently ?? Human nature from what I see suggests you would and there's a very small percentage that wouldn't, if any that I've seen.
Are you going to provide $25000 for me to fight the court ?? I don't wish to spend what little life I have left earning enough to battle a corrupt system. By the way, it was Mr Bryant that refused my application for appeal when he was AG. I'm aware of Mr Bryant attitude towards lesser men personally. I have not received an apology from anyone.

I spent my life running, hiding, underground. basic survival. I had warrants all over me. Eventually DNA proved differently. Just as the public put a lot of weight on those warrants, I see the same thing happening to a cyclist who may not even be guilty of those warrants. So they do not matter, irrelevant.
What matters here is the intent behind the death of a cyclist. he has been charged, so we are all aware Mr Bryant is suffering conflicts in his statements to police.

if all you say is true there have to be some lawyers salivating at taking some gov't money. if all you say is true.

and no. mr bryant is suffering no conflicts in his statements.

 

[thorbax]

Dont care one way or the other. But I will say if you want to post the rubbish you do and start threads no less... someone will call you out on it. Today it was me. There is only so much drivel I like to read before 5 pm.

I've learned to get past the self-deceit and speak truth. The truth is you do not know if what I say is rubbish or not, therefore you are nothing less than arrogant Your ignorance to another's experience is also arrogant. Your lack of integrity for exposing my past is also underhanded and arrogant. For my past is irrelevant over the death of a cyclist. A death in which you seem to feel is acceptable. You are entitled to your opinion, I'm sorry you feel I'm not entitled to my opinion without belittling my character, or myself. Am I a lesser man to you because I was hunted by police for 15 years you felt the need to bring it in to this thread ??

You haven't called me on anything. I simply have experience with our police service, it's faults, it's advantages, it's basic distorted philosophy. I can tell you from experience that I've witnessed police cover things up. Personally I find it extremely hard to believe Bryant wasn't drinking while celebrating with his wife. It would take a toxicology report to prove otherwise. A toxicology that wasn't ordered by SGT Tim, nor did SGT Tim feel it was appropriate for Bryant to attend bail court.
Had Mr Bryant attended bail court, I might feel differently. When someone is killed, everyone in the history of Canada attends bail court. Why is mr Bryant any different ?? What is really being covered up to avoid due process? How does one who kills a man, is charged, get released on his own recognizance ??
This is highly suspicious to me from my personal experience.
Whenever the law is bent, something bent the law.

 

[thorbax]

if all you say is true there have to be some lawyers salivating at taking some gov't money. if all you say is true.

and no. mr bryant is suffering no conflicts in his statements.

whose going to fund the $20000 grand in transcripts to start ??

 

[dirkstoned]

I've learned to get past the self-deceit and speak truth. The truth is you do not know if what I say is rubbish or not, therefore you are nothing less than arrogant Your ignorance to another's experience is also arrogant. Your lack of integrity for exposing my past is also underhanded and arrogant. For my past is irrelevant over the death of a cyclist. A death in which you seem to feel is acceptable. You are entitled to your opinion, I'm sorry you feel I'm not entitled to my opinion without belittling my character, or myself. Am I a lesser man to you because I was hunted by police for 15 years you felt the need to bring it in to this thread ??

You haven't called me on anything. I simply have experience with our police service, it's faults, it's advantages, it's basic distorted philosophy. I can tell you from experience that I've witnessed police cover things up. Personally I find it extremely hard to believe Bryant wasn't drinking while celebrating with his wife. It would take a toxicology report to prove otherwise. A toxicology that wasn't ordered by SGT Tim, nor did SGT Tim feel it was appropriate for Bryant to attend bail court.
Had Mr Bryant attended bail court, I might feel differently. When someone is killed, everyone in the history of Canada attends bail court. Why is mr Bryant any different ?? What is really being covered up to avoid due process? How does one who kills a man, is charged, get released on his own recognizance ??
This is highly suspicious to me from my personal experience.
Whenever the law is bent, something bent the law.

See there you go again. I was going to let you slide but you just keep on pissing on your leg. How do I know what you say is rubbish? You say nothing but 'what if's"...so its rubbish.


Now as for me bringing up this thread. It needed to be so the 36 people telling you that your views are so fucked it could only be from someone who has been so messed up or on the run or whatever for so long. your nuts to the nth degree

so everytime someone is kiiled someone attends a bail hearing? horseshit.

i think you are confusing a gov't conspiracy with the fact that it seems like this drunk bike guy was pretty much at fault for his own death and bryant is being treated accordingly.

 

[thorbax]

Thorbax,
There is no reporting anywhere that Bryant had been drinking. It would have been the first thing tested and all reports are concluding he was sober.
So, obviously you have some skin in the game and want to smear Bryant by making up facts that haven't as yet been reported, yet alone proven. In fact, everyone here is guilty of that to some degree because newspaper reports are notoriously unreliable.
The only reports on sobriety are against the deceased who appears to have been intoxicated and acting erratically that evening.
RIP for poor guy, but please stop re the booze allegations against Bryant - those tests would have been done already.

you have made a huge assumption. You are assuming tests were done, why order the tests to begin with if your protecting a public official.
Please don't misunderstand me, I am seeking a reason for why Bryant didn't have to appear in bail court and answer to a judge like everyone else ?
Reason I may suggest would be, if one smells of alcohol and you're covering something up, you can't put Bryant in a court room for everyone else to smell the alcohol.
Dos not Bryant have enough money to bribe an official ??
There's a reason as to why Bryant was not arraigned on the charges, yet arrested. I don't expect anyone here to know how the court system operates, but I do know death is automatic bail court regardless of who you are. How does a person bypass bail court after a death ??

There are more serious questions in to the operation of this arrest.
Is a man going to walk because of a technicality ?
14 hours of investigation, why wouldn't Bryant request a lawyer like everyone else ??
A public official who studies law, doesn't ask for a lawyer to represent him during questioning ??
Bryant passed the law for road rage as AG, would the court now be responsible some way for all convictions of road rage considering the public official who implemented this law was involved in a fatal road rage ??

Often we rely on the words we read, we allow media to influence what we think. Look outside of the box. I don't care if Bryant is innocent or guilty, for me it's about the suspicious behaviour behind this arrest, and flagrant abuse of due process like everyone else.

Why wasn't he charged with road rage ?? Did he or did he not have words with the cyclist ?? What were those words. Why have we not heard a statement from his wife ?? Wives know when the man of the house has done something. Wouldn't his wife come forward to explain her husbands innocence immediately if there was no wrong doing ? think about human nature through your own experience. How does a wife react to criminal allegations if their was no wrong doing ??

look for abnormalities, and often you uncover truth. The police changed their behaviour for a reason in this arrest, why ?

 

[Ironhead]

Thorbax, how for did you go in school ?
You know you sound a little delusional. Talking about conspiracy theories and cover ups, witnessing murders and dirty cops in action. Why are they letting you walk around free with everything you have witnessed over the years ?

"What you gonna do when they come for you ? Bad boys, bad boys."

Put the bottle down, go to sleep and try again when you are sober or quit trying to talk as if you are highly educated.

 

[pencilneckgeek2]

what I say is rubbish.

There, fixed that for you.

 

[Moraff]

you have made a huge assumption. You are assuming tests were done, why order the tests to begin with if your protecting a public official.
Please don't misunderstand me, I am seeking a reason for why Bryant didn't have to appear in bail court and answer to a judge like everyone else ?

Because bail courts are set to determine a) if you are a danger to flee the country and b) if you are a potential to run, what $$ value should be set that would help the person paying the bail ensure you stuck around.

I imagine that the chances of Bryant fleeing the country are damn near insignificant ergo no reason to waste time and money putting him in front of the court. His character is known. We should be happy that our public officials aren't wasting our tax money.

Reason I may suggest would be, if one smells of alcohol and you're covering something up, you can't put Bryant in a court room for everyone else to smell the alcohol.

Horseshit... there were enough reporters/witnesses flocking around that if Bryant had any appreciable amount of alcohol on his breath someone would have reported it by now.

Dos not Bryant have enough money to bribe an official ??
There's a reason as to why Bryant was not arraigned on the charges, yet arrested. I don't expect anyone here to know how the court system operates, but I do know death is automatic bail court regardless of who you are. How does a person bypass bail court after a death ??

Wrong, a death will most likely result in a bail hearing, but it's not automatic to the best of my knowledge.

There are more serious questions in to the operation of this arrest.
Is a man going to walk because of a technicality ?
14 hours of investigation, why wouldn't Bryant request a lawyer like everyone else ??
A public official who studies law, doesn't ask for a lawyer to represent him during questioning ??

He has knowledge of the law so he doesn't need a lawyer to tell him not to say anything he shouldn't. I'm sure by the time it comes to trial Bryant will have the legal representation he feels he needs.

Bryant passed the law for road rage as AG, would the court now be responsible some way for all convictions of road rage considering the public official who implemented this law was involved in a fatal road rage ??

Can you possibly believe the words you write? Do you seriously think that someone being charged under a law they were involved in setting has any justification in overturning that law?

Often we rely on the words we read, we allow media to influence what we think. Look outside of the box. I don't care if Bryant is innocent or guilty, for me it's about the suspicious behaviour behind this arrest, and flagrant abuse of due process like everyone else.

We do agree here, the media provide us the only info and it is often erroneous for whatever reason. Again, there were enough reporters around I think that if there were fragrant violations going on there would be bigger headlines.....

Why wasn't he charged with road rage ?? Did he or did he not have words with the cyclist ?? What were those words. Why have we not heard a statement from his wife ?? Wives know when the man of the house has done something. Wouldn't his wife come forward to explain her husbands innocence immediately if there was no wrong doing ? think about human nature through your own experience. How does a wife react to criminal allegations if their was no wrong doing ??

Perhaps because the cops have no proof that his driving away was done in anger instead of fear? I don't know what words he exchanged with the cyclist. She is not required to give a statement to the press. I'll ask you a question in return.... if she came out and said "This is what happened, my husband is innocent... he was fleeing out of fear for his life" would you have believed her and recanted your previous statements? Doubt it....

look for abnormalities, and often you uncover truth. The police changed their behaviour for a reason in this arrest, why ?

Probably because the needs of the situation dictated it?

 

[hoser1970]

Your lack of integrity for exposing my past is also underhanded and arrogant.

Dirkstoned didn't expose your past. You exposed your past by posting about it in a previous thread. Dirkstoned merely referenced your previous post in order to provide others a better understanding of your motivations!

By the way, it was Mr Bryant that refused my application for appeal when he was AG. I'm aware of Mr Bryant attitude towards lesser men personally. I have not received an apology from anyone.

It seems pretty apparent to me that you hold some personal animosity towards Michael Bryant. It also seems likely that this is impacting your ability to be objective towards this incident.

Just as the public put a lot of weight on those warrants, I see the same thing happening to a cyclist who may not even be guilty of those warrants. So they do not matter, irrelevant.
What matters here is the intent behind the death of a cyclist. he has been charged, so we are all aware Mr Bryant is suffering conflicts in his statements to police.

Your logic escapes me. We should lend no credence to the fact that in Alberta, the police provided sufficient evidence to a judge for him to issue (61) warrants for the arrest of the deceased. However, based on the fact Mr. Bryant was charged (within 24 hours of the incident) by the Toronto Police, but was not deemed to be a flight risk (and therefore, did not have to appear for a bail hearing), we should all subscribe to your ridiculous conspiracy theories?

I don't care if Bryant is innocent or guilty,

Based on the above, I believe this is true. You DON"T care if he is innocent or guilty, you simply want him to be punished!

 

[thorbax]

btw, I love this talk that Bryant "ought" to have behaved better as an educated, public servant, etc. I don't think that he is obligated to be any more tolerant of aggression or have to accept more risk to personal safety than any of us.

I suppose you've overlooked all the pedestrians who are potential victims. In fact, when you get a traffic ticket, we all pay a victim surcharge. This public servant not only committed manslaughter, but he put other people's lives at risk, including his intoxicated wife.

 

[Cinema Face]

Pekkkerwood's got a new hero

Another liberal murderer.

Just in time too, his old hero died recently, Teddy.

And Pekkker will be on this thread shortly telling us that W killed millions, or is it billions so it's ok.

 

[Don]

What makes a man drive in to on coming traffic with a guy hanging on to his car ?? What makes a man control his vehicle to not notice a man hitting a mailbox, then a tree ?? Is this a flagrant disregard for human life ??
Then to leave the scene of an "accident" knowing a man has been injured ??

Usually fear. Especially if you feel your family is threatened. Fear makes people do drastic things. The news of a cyclist in Toronto who walked up to a driver of a car and stabbed him in the throat in a fit of road rage probably didn't help.

 

[Moraff]

I suppose you've overlooked all the pedestrians who are potential victims. In fact, when you get a traffic ticket, we all pay a victim surcharge. This public servant not only committed manslaughter, but he put other people's lives at risk, including his intoxicated wife.

and you believe the cyclist's actions had nothing to do with this?........

 

[Steve Harper]

14 hours of investigation, why wouldn't Bryant request a lawyer like everyone else ??
A public official who studies law, doesn't ask for a lawyer to represent him during questioning ??

Ponder this: the man is a lawyer & passed the bar after having written the exams for criminal law. Maybe Mr. Bryant was confident of his own professional skills up to that point as not to require other counsel.

Obviously though, he'll have competent counsel for his trial. IMHO, as long as he doesn't hire Eddie "Where's-the-TV-camera" Greenspan, he'll do just fine. But that's just my opinion & not a factual statement. Other may differ on their views of the barrister skillset of Mr. Greenspan.