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Critique of the Nordic Model

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When contacting your politicians, I would suggest that they be reminded that the Nordic Model is the result of the Swedish obsession on Gender Equality, radical feminist influence in government and the mysandrist (man hating) ideology that goes along with it. Search 'Gender War' and 'Sweden' on YouTube, and you will find a Swedish TV documentary on this.

It doesn't specifically mention the Nordic Model, but describes the great influence the radical feminist organisation ROKS were given by the Minister of Equal Opportunities Margareta Winberg back in 2000. It's very apparent that the nut cases were running the asylum. After the documentary was aired in Sweden, the ROKS organisation lost 1/3 of its members, and it's top leaders resigned. But too late for such laws as the Nordic Model.

The Nordic Model is a radical feminist ideology, and it has no place in Canada.
 

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When contacting your politicians, I would suggest that they be reminded that the Nordic Model is the result of the Swedish obsession on Gender Equality, radical feminist influence in government and the mysandrist (man hating) ideology that goes along with it. Search 'Gender War' and 'Sweden' on YouTube, and you will find a Swedish TV documentary on this.

It doesn't specifically mention the Nordic Model, but describes the great influence the radical feminist organisation ROKS were given by the Minister of Equal Opportunities Margareta Winberg back in 2000. It's very apparent that the nut cases were running the asylum. After the documentary was aired in Sweden, the ROKS organisation lost 1/3 of its members, and it's top leaders resigned. But too late for such laws as the Nordic Model.

The Nordic Model is a radical feminist ideology, and it has no place in Canada.
 

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The Swedish Police conducted research into the effects of the Nordic Model (which was implemented in Sweden) and here are the findings:


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a)There were fewer sex clients, but a larger proportion were dangerous
b)Sex workers had less time to assess clients
c)The prices for sexual services had fallen
d)More clients were ready to pay for unprotected sex
e)Sex workers felt that their risk of violence had increased

The report also brought to light a new form of crime that had arisen: women posing as sex workers to rob clients (who would fear reporting the robbery to the police for fear of being charged with attempting to purchase sexual services).



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see: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/prostitution-laws-what-are-the-nordic-and-new-zealand-models-1.1603213
2. The ‘Nordic model’ of prostitution law is a myth

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2014/01/03/the-nordic-model-of-prostitution-law-is-a-myth/

3. THE SWEDISH LAW TO CRIMINALIZE CLIENTS:
A FAILED EXPERIMENT IN SOCIAL
ENGINEERING

http://rightswork.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Issue-Paper-4.pdf

4.These links were posted on another forum and make for some interesting reading:

http://www.bayswan.org/swed/flashback_sweden.html

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2014/01/09/prostitution-law-battlelines-drawn/

5.Sexworkers Critique of Swedish Prostitution policy
http://www.petraostergren.com/pages.aspx?r_id=40716

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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/Risky-business-248090851.html
Winnipeg Free Press - ONLINE EDITION
Risky business
By: Mary Agnes Welch
Posted: 03/2/2014 9:47 AM | Comments: 10
To me the Nordic model seems, at first blush, like a natural step in the right direction. But in fact, it might do more harm than good, and it might be just as unconstitutional as the old rules.
Some experts on the sex trade, including Winnipeg’s Shawna Ferris and Toronto’s Sandra Ka Hon Chu, argue the Nordic model actually makes prostitution more dangerous because customers, fearful of police, force women to set aside all their danger detectors in favour of speed.
Under pressure to avoid police detection, women won’t have time to check out a john’s car, compare him to the bad-date list, clearly negotiate fees, services and safe-sex measures and do a general gut check of a potentially dangerous situation.
Because buying sex is illegal, the Nordic model also condemns street prostitution to even more remote and dangerous locales. And it means a john meeting a woman in hotel room or her home will likely give a false name, making it more difficult to track a culprit if a woman is assaulted, raped or robbed.

Chu and Ferris say criminalizing johns is just a backdoor way of criminalizing the whole enterprise, driving it further underground and putting women in the same risky situations the Supreme Court deemed an unconstitutional violation of a person’s right to life, liberty and security. Chu and Ferris echo the words of some working in Vancouver’s sex trade who fear the law will actually lead to more missing and murdered women.
"We’re doing nobody any favours when you make the conditions of their work extremely precarious," said Chu, the co-director of research and advocacy at the Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network. "On paper, it looks like a better model, but the evidence doesn’t bear that out."
In Sweden, where the law has been in place for 15 years, reviews are mixed. There is a fear some women are being harassed by police, or coerced into leaving the sex trade under threat their children will be taken away or their landlord will evict them. Brothels are still illegal, so women can’t band together and form co-operatives for safety. Sex-trade workers report increased levels of violence and more pressure to engage in unsafe sex.
On the other hand, Sweden believes it has reduced the number of prostitutes considerably, and laws in other countries, such as France, are moving in Sweden’s direction.
There is a deeper question beyond the efficacy of the law. How do we think of sex-trade workers? Are they victims who have been coerced into prostitution either by a pimp, an unyielding addition or emotional trauma from a childhood of abuse and neglect?
Or are they adults making reasonable decisions for themselves based on the best available options? Is the sex trade a form of violence against women from which prostitutes need to be saved? Or are prostitutes autonomous citizens pursuing legitimate work that deserves the same legal protection and dignity offered to anyone performing any less-than-desirable job most of us shun?
As Ferris says, as abominable as we may find it, the fact is many women have a better chance of supporting themselves and their families through the sex trade than working at McDonald’s.
Until that changes, it makes practical sense to legalize and regulate the profession instead of infantilizing sex-trade workers as victims, a burdensome label that sticks for life and ought not to be enshrined in federal law.
"We want people who want out of the sex trade to get out. We want the people in it to be protected," said Ferris. "Laws that criminalize sex workers or their clients don’t allow for those kinds of protections." It’s not yet clear what the feds will do. MacKay has given only two hints about his thinking.
First, he’s said some legislation is needed, which means we won’t likely see legalization through omission, like we have for abortion. Second, he’s said he’s open to the Nordic model. Swan has hinted other provinces will echo Manitoba’s support of the Nordic model in the coming months.
The arguments made by Ferris and Chu are nuanced and convincing. But then so is the experience of Heritage Minister Shelly Glover, an old-school, tough-oncrime Tory, who speaks with candour and compassion about her time as a rookie police officer working undercover on the stroll. She has said the law can and must be used as a tool to combat prostitution.
"It was easy to find a customer and very easy to negotiate money for a sexual favour. And when these girls are so desperately in need of money, for whatever reason — because they are being told they have to do this for protection, because they are hooked on drugs, because they are trying to feed their families — because it was so easy, I can see how they continue to live this lifestyle that puts them in danger," she told the CBC.
"These are girls that, for the most part, are being exploited by their parents, their boyfriends, their pimps, who are in some vulnerable situations." I do not envy Peter MacKay.
7.http://www.aidslaw.ca/publications/interfaces/downloadFile.php?ref=2193
 
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TeasePlease

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Hear hear.

Given the proposition, your endorsement would mean a lot more if you were a feminist, or at least a woman.


Good essay, tho. The only trouble I had with it is the analogies.

1. Drunk driving IS the reason for banning drinking if driving (for new drivers, or severely restricted for others)

2. Most gun enthusiasts will admit that we are probably one or two mass shootings away from the prohibition of handguns or assault rifles. As it stands, we are under heavy restrictions for both.


The biggest challenge that the writer faces is that the government of the day fundamentally disagrees with the premise. The cons don't care to allow Canadians to pursue our individual brand of good. They seem to think they know best.
 

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The government should not be trying to control human sexuality...


that's what religion is for :deadhorse:

Good info in those links, fred.
 

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The government should not be trying to control human sexuality...
Basically, it amounts to the Conservative government telling us who we can fuck! Whoever voted for them deserves what they get...:mad:
 

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Here's a couple of questions: If we do in fact get the Nordic model, how long would it take to have it challenged and struck down? Would LE still enforce it if the issue was before the courts again?
 

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Read the comments to the Globe and Mail editorial calling for legalization. About 90% are in favor of some form of legalization with various levels
of oversight. Yup, the majority of Canadians are most likely sensible and do not want the Nordic model. Now's the time to press the MP's to
realize just that.
 

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The participation rate in 2011 election was 61.1% (that is 61.1% of eligible voters who went to ballet boxes and voted). Out of that 61.1% , some 39.62% were Coned to vote for Cons. Multiply 61.1% by 39.62% then you get to a number close but under 25% of eligible voters voting for Cons. Which means exactly what I said that 75% of eligible voters did not vote for Cons.
Interesting. That means every single Liberal government since 1945 has been illegitimate as well.
 

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Wilbur, I am not a liberal supporter. In fact I don't even like Justin Trudeau as I see him a premature politician and too young for the job of prime minister (like his comment about Ukraine crisis saying that since Russians have lost Hockey then they made invade!!! What the hell.....). But one thing is for sure. If liberals were in power or majority right now we and sex workers would have been in a much better position. It is the less of two evils I would say. I personally would vote strategically for ANYTHING BUT CON. It NDP front runner then NDP otherwise Liberal. It is unfortunate that our election system is such that a party with 25% of eligible votes can form a majority and decide for the other 75% (in this case how they can live their lives). Very sad and I would go as far as saying undemocratic and flawed!!!.

I have issues with all parties, and I frankly don't know who I'll vote for, or even if I'm going to vote at all. But that's neither here nor there. What you said about the electoral system applies to any party that happens to win the elections. So if the NDP should win a majority for example, they are not likely to do any better than the Cons have done right now under your 'who did not vote for them' rationale, any more than any party since 1945. So if you are consistent with your argument, you would criticize them just as much as you are doing viz the Cons. But then, you may not because you may happen to agree with them. So the issue of the voting system is irrelevant wrt the policy being debated.

The only modification I would make to the present system would be to have run-off elections, where the second round would pit the first round winner against the runner-up, if 50% hasn't already been achieved. Such a system is used in presidential elections, but I don't know if it's used elsewhere at the riding level.
 

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A lot of human trafficking has also been done to provide slave labor to sweat shops. Perhaps we should shut down the garment industry as well.....
 

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A lot of human trafficking has also been done to provide slave labor to sweat shops. Perhaps we should shut down the garment industry as well.....
We effectively have. We imposed labour and employment standards, sanctioned violators with heavy fines, etc. Domestic production is no longer competitive, and therefore have been moved offshore.
 

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Thank you for the heads up.

We must read all well-thought articles as a guide to promoting the freedom of sex workers and customers.

Posting on surveys is not enough. As others have done, we should write letters to the Justice Minister and your local M.P.

BTW, who is the Justice Critic for the Liberal Party and the NDP?
 

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John Ivison: Flawed report could be basis for Tories’ new prostitution law

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...uld-be-basis-for-tories-new-prostitution-law/


is it me or i hate to see Joy Smith's picture?




The problem is much of the research cited in The Tipping Point is highly selective — ignoring truths that are inconvenient or cast the Swedish model in a poor light.

At first glance, the report is persuasive. Countries that have legalized and regulated prostitution have seen sexual exploitation, human trafficking and violence towards women increase dramatically, Ms. Smith argues.

In contrast, countries like Sweden and Norway, which have targeted pimps and johns, have seen a significant decrease in prostitution and sex trafficking.

A number of agencies in Sweden, including the National Police Board and National Council for Crime Prevention looked at the new law and found no evidence that prostitution had gone down but plenty of evidence that it had become more hidden. This makes sense — prostitutes have moved off the street to evade police detection. Two other reports found that violence against sex workers increased and an additional survey found half of sex workers said the law made it harder for them to get help.

Since the Supreme Court of Canada’s ruling was about the Charter rights of sex workers, this must raise question marks over whether a proposal to target johns would improve the safety of prostitutes. If not, any new law would likely go the same way as its predecessor.

The Smith report contends that countries like New Zealand that have decriminalized and regulated prostitution have seen a dramatic increase in sexual exploitation and violence.

But anyone who reads the Prostitution Law Review Committee report assessing New Zealand’s legislation comes away with a very different impression than the one presented by The Tipping Point.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...uld-be-basis-for-tories-new-prostitution-law/
 

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When the SCC ruling came down I believe I read an article where the strip club owners here in Toronto got together with our famous let's have a red light district on the islands counsellor to discuss the possibility of petitioning the federal government to restrict bawdy houses to the strip bars. Ottawa survey was probably part of that plan.
 
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