Creba suspect, 17, granted bail; WTF?

[Esco!]

Acutus, why oh why oh why do you always have to sign your name on all your posts?????

(I've decided to ask you nicely since ridicule doesnt seem to work on you).


Sincerely, Esco .

 

[fantasiafan]

In my view, the observations that you alluded to regarding young people and their attitude towards what some have referred to as the glorification of violence and gun use in Society today touchs close to the heart of the matter, Mr. Fantasiafan. The importance of good role models for young people in general might be something to consider further. One can't help but observe the prevalence of hand guns as a symbol of status, power, control, etc. within certain ethnic minority cultures, and the subsequent effect that that has on Society. Your observation on the poor shooting skills of the young punks that seem to be mostly involved in the gun violence here in the GTA(Greater Toronto Area)has been made by others as well. Sometimes, it's almost comical how gunfire is reported with as many as ten to twelve rounds being discharged only for a young punk to limp into a Hospital a couple of hours later with a bullet wound to his leg. Again, the deterrent factor in relation to gun crimes, or lack thereof, remains foremost in my mind. I can't agree with your view point regarding the private ownership of handguns however. Sport shooting, target shooting, private collecting, etc. are legitimate activities. In my view, the rights of law abiding citizens should not be negatively impacted by the criminal behaviour of a relatively small portion of Society. I have friends and acquaintances who argue that had a private citizen armed with a hand gun been present here in Toronto the day of the Boxing Day Shooting, then perhaps that private individual could have stopped the shooter who killed Jane Creba. An extreme point of view, I admit, however when our Justice system seems so out of touch with the reality of the now day to day problems that occur in the GTA, such perspectives may seem worth considering. Sincerely, Jon .

Good points jon, but you lost me on where you say you dont agree with my position on ownership. I dont mind ownership as in target shooting, hunting, sport, or collecting, please dont get me wrong. But what I dont agree with is that ownership acts as entitlement for one to carry around a weapon as in Florida or Texas. An extreme view you point out, very much so, especially if more than one private individual took out their guns collectively and started shooting. In that mass confusion how would you know who the 'shooter' was. likewise speaking in extreme, hypothetical theory, my 'deterrent' may have actually prevented the shooting in the first place.

 

[fantasiafan]

Acutus, why oh why oh why do you always have to sign your name on all your posts?????

(I've decided to ask you nicely since ridicule doesnt seem to work on you).


Sincerely, Esco .

Way to interrupt two grown men, having a good discussion without insults, with your tomfoolery! sincerely fantasiafan

 

[Esco!]

I'm going to bed

Sincerely, Esco .


Notice the dot behind my name.......and the space between it

 

[Alexis696969]

I'm going to bed

Sincerely, Esco .


Notice the dot behind my name.......and the space between it

hahahahahaha

sincerely, Alexis

 

[acutus]

Good points jon, but you lost me on where you say you dont agree with my position on ownership. I dont mind ownership as in target shooting, hunting, sport, or collecting, please dont get me wrong. But what I dont agree with is that ownership acts as entitlement for one to carry around a weapon as in Florida or Texas. An extreme view you point out, very much so, especially if more than one private individual took out their guns collectively and started shooting. In that mass confusion how would you know who the 'shooter' was. likewise speaking in extreme, hypothetical theory, my 'deterrent' may have actually prevented the shooting in the first place.

I agree that we here in the GTA are not yet ready for the provisions allowed to private citizens in Florida and Texas to carry and conceal a personal handgun. However, in my view, one has to consider what it is that we're dealing with here in Toronto. The Boxing Day Shooting represents a failure of our Justice system to act accordingly and protect the rights and freedoms of the law abiding citizens who make up the vast majority of our Society. Certainly, the Justice system failed to protect the rights, freedoms and Life of Ms. Jane Creba. Your proposal may indeed have merit Mr. Fantasiafan, and very likely would act as the deterrent that we would all like to see with regard to gun violence, providing that it is enforced. What I find puzzling is why the Justice system is so careless with individuals who show a complete disregard for public safety and why the punishment for those who commit acts of violence with firearms is so lenient even though there are provisions within the system to deal with those individuals more strenuously. One could easily argue that because the Justise system has so seriously failed in this way, then how can we expect to have confidence that the system will protect our rights and freedoms by enforcing the deterrent that you propose? Sincerely, Jon .