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basketcase

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So what you are saying is that as long as you say you think a soldier or militant is in a building you think you can destroy residential towers.
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When you know the building is a military facility that is hiding behind civilians, Israel is being very moral and warning the civilians to get out. the war crime here is Hamas hiding behind women and children.
 
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basketcase

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'Rejecting peace'?

Israel has been the occupying military for half a century now.
Stop blaming the occupied people for the occupation.
Yes, rejecting peace. I know you are desperate to bitch about Israel but a peace deal requires both sides to agree to it. Abbas walked away without responding to a completely justifiable deal and Hamas refuses to even take part.
 

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So what solution do you have? Hamas is clear they will continue the "resistance" until the the Jewish presence is gone and even on their best days see a two state peace as only a stepping stone.
That's Jewish Supremacism accusing the other side of being evil, genocide bent 'others'.
Just like your claim that the people being occupied by a foreign military don't have the right to self defence, only the occupying army has that right.
Supremacy.

“Domestic violent extremists pose an elevated threat in 2021 and in the FBI’s view, the top domestic violent extremist threat we face comes from racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, specifically those who advocate for the superiority of the white race,” Garland told lawmakers at the top of the hearing.
 

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When you know the building is a military facility that is hiding behind civilians, Israel is being very moral and warning the civilians to get out. the war crime here is Hamas hiding behind women and children.
Ah, the 'human shields' canard to justify terrorism.
HRW investigated claims of using human shields and found only Israel committed this war crime.


Stop justifying shooting missiles at residential buildings, its state terrorism.
 

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Bottomline with this conflict is the Palestinian Islamists want to kill the Jews and the Jews won't let themselves be killed this time. Has nothing to do with land. Notice how Terb Jihadists are quiet when Muslims kill Muslims but go nuts when Jews are involved?

 

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Yes, rejecting peace. I know you are desperate to bitch about Israel but a peace deal requires both sides to agree to it. Abbas walked away without responding to a completely justifiable deal and Hamas refuses to even take part.
And it was such a great peace deal that Israel refused to put it on paper.
The bestest offer ever, the best they will ever get.

End apartheid.
That's the solution.
You helped kill the two state solution, now live with the global battle for equal rights while you defend apartheid.
 

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hamas fires rockets from residential areas they use women and children as human shield because they are cowards

when you use an area for military use it becomes a legitimate target
 

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So what solution do you have? Hamas is clear they will continue the "resistance" until the the Jewish presence is gone and even on their best days see a two state peace as only a stepping stone.

How are you supposed to achieve peace when part of the other side keeps walking away from offers and the other faction refuses to discuss it.

Hamas' actions are indisputably terrorism and Israeli strikes on Gaza are a response to that terrorism. If Hamas stops terrorism, Israel has no need to respond. Sadly "your ilk" keeps trying to pretend terrorism is an acceptable response to a conflict.
When you offer peace while annexing land at increasing rates, it does seem counterproductive to peace negotiations?

There are often great lulls in the number of rockets fired, for the last 4-5 years the number got lower and lower. While every year land annexation happens faster and faster.
 
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When you offer peace while annexing land at increasing rates, it does seem counterproductive to peace negotiations?

There are often great lulls in the number of rockets fired, for the last 4-5 years the number got lower and lower. While every year land annexation happens faster and faster.
That was the real goal of the Oslo Accords.
'Negotiate' to stall while taking as much land as possible to create 'facts on the ground'.
Which is why basketcase continues to say the settlements aren't the problem and taking over Palestinian lands 'isn't the problem'. Its not the problem, its the goal.


One reason Israel continues to build settlements is that, according to the so-called Clinton parameters laid down in 2000, a final Israeli–Palestinian agreement would grant sovereignty over Jewish-occupied areas to Israel, and Palestinian-inhabited areas to the new Palestinian state. Indeed, well over a decade of failed negotiations have only led to an acceleration of Israel’s land grab in the Holy City. Israeli planners have spent this time pushing settlers into heavily Arab-inhabited areas of the city, such as Sheikh Jarrah, Silwan, and Abu Dis, in order to create fresh "facts on the ground"—a tactic used by the Zionist movement for over a century in order to obtain control over more and more of Palestine.[4]

But congrats, they got enough land to kill the two state solution and create apartheid Israel.

Prime minister Ehud Olmert in 2007 warned that if the two-state solution collapsed, Israel would "face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights, and as soon as that happens, the state of Israel is finished".[207]
 

basketcase

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When you offer peace while annexing land at increasing rates, it does seem counterproductive to peace negotiations?
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I agree. Sadly at the times when Israel put a freeze on settlement activity, the PA still stalled and Hamas still refused the concept. And you still haven't suggested a solution. As long as Hamas rejects peace and as long as Abbas is as desperate to stay in power as Netanyahu, the larger issues won't be solved.

But that has nothing to do with Hamas responding by the use of terrorism.

There are often great lulls in the number of rockets fired, for the last 4-5 years the number got lower and lower. While every year land annexation happens faster and faster.
Are you trying to argue that rockets are a reasonable way forward for the Palestinians?


Last I checked, land can be swapped in a peace deal (such as what Olmert offered in 2008).
 

basketcase

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And it was such a great peace deal that Israel refused to put it on paper.
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Except it was on paper and was fully explained to Abbas. More significantly, there was nothing stopping Abbas from making a counter offer but he walked away, fearful that the hawks in his party would get rid of him if he actually agreed to a peace deal.
 

basketcase

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Ah, the 'human shields' canard to justify terrorism.
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cannard?

How do you describe Hamas having the HQ in Gaza's biggest hospital during the 2014 conflict? How do you describe the cases documented by the UN of weapons being stored in UN schools and medical facilities? How do you describe the broadcast film of Hamas launching rockets from right outside the hotel hosting international correspondents? How do you describe Hamas launching rockets from the yard of a church full of civilians?

The buildings hit were Hamas facilities and you admit that one was otherwise a residential building.
 
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danmand

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I'm not interested in your toading to the terrorists. Bring in Mavericks, smart bombs and drone strikes and plow Gaza- that nest of vipers as Nasser used to call it.
Fuck Hamas, fuck the ICC and fuck all those who are not outraged by what the terrorists are doing.
Excellent, except I still see buildings standing. Keep at it IDF!
You are taking your "inner sweinehund" for for a long walk today.
 

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I agree. Sadly at the times when Israel put a freeze on settlement activity, the PA still stalled and Hamas still refused the concept. And you still haven't suggested a solution. As long as Hamas rejects peace and as long as Abbas is as desperate to stay in power as Netanyahu, the larger issues won't be solved.
Israel never put a freeze on settlements.



From 1967 to the end of 2017, more than 200 Israeli settlements were established in the West Bank. They include:

Another 16 settlements that had been established in the Gaza Strip, and four in the northern West Bank, were dismantled in 2005 as part of the Disengagement Plan.

More than 620,000 Israeli citizens currently reside in settlements. Of these, about 209,270 live in the parts of the West Bank that Israel annexed to the municipal jurisdiction of Jerusalem (according to Jerusalem Institute for Policy Research figures from late 2016), and 413,400 live throughout the rest of the West Bank (according to Central Bureau of Statistics figures from late 2017).

The settlements are the single most important factor in shaping life in the West Bank. Their destructive impact on the human rights of Palestinians extends far beyond the hundreds of thousands of dunams [1 dunam = 1,000 sq. meters], including farmland and grazing areas, that Israel appropriated from Palestinians in order to build them. More land has been expropriated to pave hundreds of kilometers of roads for settler use only; roadblocks, checkpoints, and other measures that limit Palestinian movement only have been erected based on the location of settlements; Palestinian landowners have been effectively denied access to much of their farmland, both within settlements and outside them; and the winding route of the Separation Barrier, which severely violates the rights of Palestinians living near it, was established inside the West Bank in order to leave as many settlements as possible – and large tracts of land for expanding them – on the western side of the barrier.


But that has nothing to do with Hamas responding by the use of terrorism.
Yes, Hamas responded to Israeli terrorism, the deliberate targeting of a residential tower, with terrorism.
Both are still war crimes but Netanyahu should get extra time at the Hague for instigating.
 

Frankfooter

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cannard?

How do you describe Hamas having the HQ in Gaza's biggest hospital during the 2014 conflict? How do you describe the cases documented by the UN of weapons being stored in UN schools and medical facilities? How do you describe the broadcast film of Hamas launching rockets from right outside the hotel hosting international correspondents? How do you describe Hamas launching rockets from the yard of a church full of civilians?

The buildings hit were Hamas facilities and you admit that one was otherwise a residential building.
Yes, canard.

There were three residential towers destroyed in Gaza today, all three were civilian targets and the result of Israeli escalations.

Are you claiming that Hamas had three HQ's?
One of those housed media outlets.
One of those housed a medical centre.
Are you going to claim that every house, apartment, hospital, school and child were Hamas?

The ICC is already investigating Israel's similar targeting of civilians in 2014 in Gaza.
 

jcpro

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You are taking your "inner sweinehund" for for a long walk today.
A terror organization has fired a thousand rockets at civilians. You might appropriate the German name for yourself, if you're not outrageous by this.
 

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hamas fires rockets from residential areas they use women and children as human shield because they are cowards

when you use an area for military use it becomes a legitimate target
They are firing tiny rockets against the IDF, that takes a lot of balls. Its almost a suicide mission. The rockets are put their to protect the rockets, not the people firing them. Their lifespan after lauch is minuted or seconds.
 

nottyboi

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Yes, rejecting peace. I know you are desperate to bitch about Israel but a peace deal requires both sides to agree to it. Abbas walked away without responding to a completely justifiable deal and Hamas refuses to even take part.
Ahh that fantasy. I think we have covered that fake deal
 
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