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Covid possibly come from Wuhan lab and US covered it up

basketcase

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Yes, I think it did. And want a proper investigation. You don't.
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Thanks for admitting you have decided in advance the only outcome you'll accept. This is even more evident in the way you claim any contrary evidence as being part of some worldwide conspiracy.

Scientifically, it is an extremely low likelihood that the virus was not engineered as part of gain of function research and you belief is based simply on a distrust of China and a distrust of the scientific process. It is a possibility that there was a lab leak but on the genome and the geographic distribution of the early outbreak makes a lab leak the less likely source.

You have made it clear that you outright reject the possibility of a non-leak cause. On the other hand, I am open to evidence but you have yet to provide anything more substantial than distrustful speculation.
 
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Butler1000

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Thanks for admitting you have decided in advance the only outcome you'll accept. This is even more evident in the way you claim any contrary evidence as being part of some worldwide conspiracy.

Scientifically, it is an extremely low likelihood that the virus was not engineered as part of gain of function research and you belief is based simply on a distrust of China and a distrust of the scientific process. It is a possibility that there was a lab leak but on the genome and the geographic distribution of the early outbreak makes a lab leak the less likely source.

You have made it clear that you outright reject the possibility of a non-leak cause. On the other hand, I am open to evidence but you have yet to provide anything more substantial than distrustful speculation.
Don't be obtuse. We both have an opinion. So what?
 

basketcase

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Don't be obtuse. We both have an opinion. So what?
Ah, so sweet the way you run away from your affirmative claim that is was a lab leak and your claim that the reason there is no evidence is because a worldwide scientific conspiracy to hide it.

My opinion is based on the current conclusions of the experts and as a science guy, I'm happy to change my views if the science says I'm wrong (for example, I used to buy the theories of solar activity explaining the rise in global temperatures until their predictions of a temperature decrease in the 2000s was utterly wrong).

You on the other hand are only willing to listen to things that support your opinion and dismiss anything else as some Clinton run world conspiracy.
 

Butler1000

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Ah, so sweet the way you run away from your affirmative claim that is was a lab leak and your claim that the reason there is no evidence is because a worldwide scientific conspiracy to hide it.

My opinion is based on the current conclusions of the experts and as a science guy, I'm happy to change my views if the science says I'm wrong (for example, I used to buy the theories of solar activity explaining the rise in global temperatures until their predictions of a temperature decrease in the 2000s was utterly wrong).

You on the other hand are only willing to listen to things that support your opinion and dismiss anything else as some Clinton run world conspiracy.
I question the experts ethics in this. It's that simple.
 

Valcazar

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Looks like the CIA has come around. Joining the FBI and Dept of Energy.
So it is now 4 agencies and the council saying most likely zoonotic escape, and 3 saying most likely lab leak. (Although from two different labs.)
Still 1 undecided and I've never been sure why the other 9 agencies weren't asked to weigh in. (Although it might just be they said they had no way to even approach assessing it.)
 

Butler1000

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So it is now 4 agencies and the council saying most likely zoonotic escape, and 3 saying most likely lab leak. (Although from two different labs.)
Still 1 undecided and I've never been sure why the other 9 agencies weren't asked to weigh in. (Although it might just be they said they had no way to even approach assessing it.)
Would you say the CIA and FBI would be good for their opinion due to their expertise?
 

Valcazar

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Would you say the CIA and FBI would be good for their opinion due to their expertise?
They are worth listening to, but not trusted blindly.

And they have said they don't have good evidence and what they have is fragmentary.
It's noteworthy that they don't even agree on what lab the evidence points to.

Being spies, I'm not surprised that having to pick, they went with "gonna lean towards something bad by the enemy", even as they admit they don't have the ability to rule out either.

So we are exactly where we have always been.
Even in Ratcliffe's presentation, they are admitting they have no new evidence of any kind either way.

But, as I said elsewhere, I want to see what the CIA actually said, not what Trump's new guy says it said.
 

Butler1000

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They are worth listening to, but not trusted blindly.

And they have said they don't have good evidence and what they have is fragmentary.
It's noteworthy that they don't even agree on what lab the evidence points to.

Being spies, I'm not surprised that having to pick, they went with "gonna lean towards something bad by the enemy", even as they admit they don't have the ability to rule out either.

So we are exactly where we have always been.
Even in Ratcliffe's presentation, they are admitting they have no new evidence of any kind either way.

But, as I said elsewhere, I want to see what the CIA actually said, not what Trump's new guy says it said.
So would I. A nice big open investigation where everything is laid out.

Of course now that the pardons are done the 5th would be off the table too.
 
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