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Court to decide if Ontario must pay for surgery to make vagina if patient also wants to keep penis

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Why is this covered by Ohip? This kind of surgery be paid by the Trans. This is wrong.


A non-binary Ontario resident is locked in a legal battle over public funding for surgery to create a vagina while leaving the penis intact.

In a lengthy legal battle that could lead to more requests for individually customized and unorthodox gender-affirming surgeries, an Ontario resident is seeking publicly funded surgery to construct a vagina while preserving the penis.

The case, now before the courts, reflects a small but growing demand for niche surgeries for people who identify as non-binary, meaning neither exclusively female nor exclusively male.

To critics, the procedures are risky experiments that illustrate “how far off the rails” gender-affirming medicine has gone and the excesses of “consumer-driven gender embodiment.”

“Our public health-care system is at the breaking point and really needs to focus on procedures that are medically necessary,” Pamela Buffone, founder of the parents’ group Canadian Gender Report, said in an email to the National Post.

“Is this type of surgery health care? The patient will not be physically healthier because of the operation, which is likely to result in complications and the need for corrective surgeries and further demands on the health system.”

LGBTQ rights groups say such surgeries can profoundly improve a person’s quality of life and reduce the distress and deep sense of unease from gender dysphoria. Health-care providers shouldn’t make assumptions about what care may be medically necessary, Egale Canada argued in a written submission to the court.

“Ultimately OHIP’s interpretation (of a vaginoplasty) is exclusionary and discriminates against nonbinary people on the basis of their gender identity,” Egale said. If there is any ambiguity in what should be publicly covered, it should be resolved in favour of the claimant, they said.
As National Post columnist Jamie Sarkonak first reported in September, the case involves 33-year-old K.S., as she is identified in court documents, who was born male but who identifies as female dominant and uses a feminine name.

Ontario’s Health Insurance Plan (OHIP) originally denied K.S.’s request in 2022 for funding for a penile sparing vaginoplasty, a procedure that isn’t available in Canada. The surgery was to be performed at the Crane Center for Transgender Surgery in Austin, Texas.
Is this type of surgery health care?
 

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Why is this covered by Ohip? This kind of surgery be paid by the Trans. This is wrong.


A non-binary Ontario resident is locked in a legal battle over public funding for surgery to create a vagina while leaving the penis intact.

In a lengthy legal battle that could lead to more requests for individually customized and unorthodox gender-affirming surgeries, an Ontario resident is seeking publicly funded surgery to construct a vagina while preserving the penis.

The case, now before the courts, reflects a small but growing demand for niche surgeries for people who identify as non-binary, meaning neither exclusively female nor exclusively male.

To critics, the procedures are risky experiments that illustrate “how far off the rails” gender-affirming medicine has gone and the excesses of “consumer-driven gender embodiment.”

“Our public health-care system is at the breaking point and really needs to focus on procedures that are medically necessary,” Pamela Buffone, founder of the parents’ group Canadian Gender Report, said in an email to the National Post.

“Is this type of surgery health care? The patient will not be physically healthier because of the operation, which is likely to result in complications and the need for corrective surgeries and further demands on the health system.”

LGBTQ rights groups say such surgeries can profoundly improve a person’s quality of life and reduce the distress and deep sense of unease from gender dysphoria. Health-care providers shouldn’t make assumptions about what care may be medically necessary, Egale Canada argued in a written submission to the court.

“Ultimately OHIP’s interpretation (of a vaginoplasty) is exclusionary and discriminates against nonbinary people on the basis of their gender identity,” Egale said. If there is any ambiguity in what should be publicly covered, it should be resolved in favour of the claimant, they said.
As National Post columnist Jamie Sarkonak first reported in September, the case involves 33-year-old K.S., as she is identified in court documents, who was born male but who identifies as female dominant and uses a feminine name.

Ontario’s Health Insurance Plan (OHIP) originally denied K.S.’s request in 2022 for funding for a penile sparing vaginoplasty, a procedure that isn’t available in Canada. The surgery was to be performed at the Crane Center for Transgender Surgery in Austin, Texas.
Is this type of surgery health care?

I wonder if the complainant is a fan of funtanari porn? Of course, I have only seen it for educational purposes :p
 

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They probably want to keep their cock to fick their new vag!
 

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Why is this covered by Ohip? This kind of surgery be paid by the Trans. This is wrong.


A non-binary Ontario resident is locked in a legal battle over public funding for surgery to create a vagina while leaving the penis intact.

In a lengthy legal battle that could lead to more requests for individually customized and unorthodox gender-affirming surgeries, an Ontario resident is seeking publicly funded surgery to construct a vagina while preserving the penis.

The case, now before the courts, reflects a small but growing demand for niche surgeries for people who identify as non-binary, meaning neither exclusively female nor exclusively male.

To critics, the procedures are risky experiments that illustrate “how far off the rails” gender-affirming medicine has gone and the excesses of “consumer-driven gender embodiment.”

“Our public health-care system is at the breaking point and really needs to focus on procedures that are medically necessary,” Pamela Buffone, founder of the parents’ group Canadian Gender Report, said in an email to the National Post.

“Is this type of surgery health care? The patient will not be physically healthier because of the operation, which is likely to result in complications and the need for corrective surgeries and further demands on the health system.”

LGBTQ rights groups say such surgeries can profoundly improve a person’s quality of life and reduce the distress and deep sense of unease from gender dysphoria. Health-care providers shouldn’t make assumptions about what care may be medically necessary, Egale Canada argued in a written submission to the court.

“Ultimately OHIP’s interpretation (of a vaginoplasty) is exclusionary and discriminates against nonbinary people on the basis of their gender identity,” Egale said. If there is any ambiguity in what should be publicly covered, it should be resolved in favour of the claimant, they said.
As National Post columnist Jamie Sarkonak first reported in September, the case involves 33-year-old K.S., as she is identified in court documents, who was born male but who identifies as female dominant and uses a feminine name.

Ontario’s Health Insurance Plan (OHIP) originally denied K.S.’s request in 2022 for funding for a penile sparing vaginoplasty, a procedure that isn’t available in Canada. The surgery was to be performed at the Crane Center for Transgender Surgery in Austin, Texas.
Is this type of surgery health care?

This kind of shit is just what our decimated health care system needs. What a fucking shit show. If it wasn't such totally retarded thing to do in the first place I would suggest every Canadian apply for this surgery so we can financially destroy this country once an for all.
 

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Why is this covered by Ohip? This kind of surgery be paid by the Trans. This is wrong.


A non-binary Ontario resident is locked in a legal battle over public funding for surgery to create a vagina while leaving the penis intact.

In a lengthy legal battle that could lead to more requests for individually customized and unorthodox gender-affirming surgeries, an Ontario resident is seeking publicly funded surgery to construct a vagina while preserving the penis.

The case, now before the courts, reflects a small but growing demand for niche surgeries for people who identify as non-binary, meaning neither exclusively female nor exclusively male.

To critics, the procedures are risky experiments that illustrate “how far off the rails” gender-affirming medicine has gone and the excesses of “consumer-driven gender embodiment.”

“Our public health-care system is at the breaking point and really needs to focus on procedures that are medically necessary,” Pamela Buffone, founder of the parents’ group Canadian Gender Report, said in an email to the National Post.

“Is this type of surgery health care? The patient will not be physically healthier because of the operation, which is likely to result in complications and the need for corrective surgeries and further demands on the health system.”

LGBTQ rights groups say such surgeries can profoundly improve a person’s quality of life and reduce the distress and deep sense of unease from gender dysphoria. Health-care providers shouldn’t make assumptions about what care may be medically necessary, Egale Canada argued in a written submission to the court.

“Ultimately OHIP’s interpretation (of a vaginoplasty) is exclusionary and discriminates against nonbinary people on the basis of their gender identity,” Egale said. If there is any ambiguity in what should be publicly covered, it should be resolved in favour of the claimant, they said.
As National Post columnist Jamie Sarkonak first reported in September, the case involves 33-year-old K.S., as she is identified in court documents, who was born male but who identifies as female dominant and uses a feminine name.

Ontario’s Health Insurance Plan (OHIP) originally denied K.S.’s request in 2022 for funding for a penile sparing vaginoplasty, a procedure that isn’t available in Canada. The surgery was to be performed at the Crane Center for Transgender Surgery in Austin, Texas.
Is this type of surgery health care?

I don't like to pay for people getting medical care for problems from smoking - there's always something tax dollars go towards that we don't like and some that tax dollars towards that we like and someone else does not like

Really, this post should have been in politics section

You seem riled up about trans people - such a tiny percent of the population...
 

NotADcotor

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I donno man, they get their own national highways
Extensive roads that go in isolated wilderness.
Own regions
Poutine is trying to make sure they have an independent country [till he takes it for himself]
Their own food which is pretty much impossible to avoid
Their own lovely trail system
Pipe Lines

Just like how the gheys have their own Homo milk, all the cool names like Biff and Lance as well as dominating industries like steel, aeronautics and the railroads.

I am sure the whole bunch of them are in league with history's greatest monster Justin Beiber. Ah for the old days when entertainers were real hetrosexual men like Rock Hudson, Elton John, Freddie Mercury and the like. Manly men.

I think they should get the surgeries they want. Likewise we should pay for baratric surgery for anorexics, after all many of them identify as fat which makes them fat and obesity is a serious disease.* Won't someone please think of the children!

If that Dylan dude can be treated as a chick and be taken seriously when he says he is interested in women and is considering marrying one and getting knocked up by her, is what I said that much more out to lunch. That wackjob even got a meeting with the fucking president.
 

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I don't like to pay for people getting medical care for problems from smoking - there's always something tax dollars go towards that we don't like and some that tax dollars towards that we like and someone else does not like

Really, this post should have been in politics section

You seem riled up about trans people - such a tiny percent of the population...
Sure, you don't like paying for health care related to smoking. Let's ignore the fact that smokers pay a fortune in additional tax on every pack of cigarettes that they buy. How much additional tax did this person pay so they could have a vagina AND a penis?

It's not about the size of the population, it's about not paying for elective surgery.

I'm diabetic and have a number of skin tags that I would like to get rid of. They cause me to feel self conscience when I go to public pools and prevent me from feeling comfortable going shirtless in the summer but if I want them removed I have to pay for it. As much as I would love for OHIP to cover it, I accept the fact that the cost for that type of procedure has been passed to me. How is my situation different from theirs?
 

Jubee

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I donno man, they get their own national highways
Extensive roads that go in isolated wilderness.
Own regions
Poutine is trying to make sure they have an independent country [till he takes it for himself]
Their own food which is pretty much impossible to avoid
Their own lovely trail system
Pipe Lines

Just like how the gheys have their own Homo milk, all the cool names like Biff and Lance as well as dominating industries like steel, aeronautics and the railroads.

I am sure the whole bunch of them are in league with history's greatest monster Justin Beiber. Ah for the old days when entertainers were real hetrosexual men like Rock Hudson, Elton John, Freddie Mercury and the like. Manly men.

I think they should get the surgeries they want. Likewise we should pay for baratric surgery for anorexics, after all many of them identify as fat which makes them fat and obesity is a serious disease.* Won't someone please think of the children!

If that Dylan dude can be treated as a chick and be taken seriously when he says he is interested in women and is considering marrying one and getting knocked up by her, is what I said that much more out to lunch. That wackjob even got a meeting with the fucking president.
You're really well versed in that category.
 
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bazokajoe

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If this person is so concerned about "gender dysphoria" then just get the cock chopped off once and for all and get a vagina.
 

HotDogger

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Sure, you don't like paying for health care related to smoking. Let's ignore the fact that smokers pay a fortune in additional tax on every pack of cigarettes that they buy. How much additional tax did this person pay so they could have a vagina AND a penis?

It's not about the size of the population, it's about not paying for elective surgery.

I'm diabetic and have a number of skin tags that I would like to get rid of. They cause me to feel self conscience when I go to public pools and prevent me from feeling comfortable going shirtless in the summer but if I want them removed I have to pay for it. As much as I would love for OHIP to cover it, I accept the fact that the cost for that type of procedure has been passed to me. How is my situation different from theirs?
Never thought about it that way! Smokers are prepaying for their healthcare with all those taxes they pay for each pack. Makes cents now.

Bro, get those skin tags removed asap. Will be best money you ever spent. I had something really similar on my cheeks and neck. Found a cosmetic dermatologist that removed them. Had over 30 removed! The scabs looked very unsightly for about a week but once the scabs fell off I felt amazing about my skin. It was euphoric. You see your skin every single day. It’s time to start feeling good about it.
 

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Never thought about it that way! Smokers are prepaying for their healthcare with all those taxes they pay for each pack. Makes cents now.

Bro, get those skin tags removed asap. Will be best money you ever spent. I had something really similar on my cheeks and neck. Found a cosmetic dermatologist that removed them. Had over 30 removed! The scabs looked very unsightly for about a week but once the scabs fell off I felt amazing about my skin. It was euphoric. You see your skin every single day. It’s time to start feeling good about it.
Not sure if that's a typo or a snide comment on the relative cost of cancer care vs. the contribution of the additional taxes paid, but I've been seriously considering having the tags removed. Just a pain in the ass to get the appointment to have it done. I hate the idea of taking time off work for something so trivial.
 

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Not sure if that's a typo or a snide comment on the relative cost of cancer care vs. the contribution of the additional taxes paid, but I've been seriously considering having the tags removed. Just a pain in the ass to get the appointment to have it done. I hate the idea of taking time off work for something so trivial.
If you feel self conscious about the tags and they cause you to alter your behaviour and enjoyment then it is worth the effort to make the appointment and get them dealt with. Happiness is priceless.
 

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I think OHIP should pay through bill if I want to stick my penis in a vagina - it would be much cheaper
 
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