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costa concordia

papasmerf

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Proper procedure is crew members assigned to man the life boats and evacuation stations are in charge of those stations.

Captain is to verify all souls are evacuated.

First Mate is responsible for the head counts

Second and Third Mates are Safety Officers assigned to the Boat.

Officer of the Deck will coordinate all evacuations.

Radio man is to transmit MAYDAY and position until he is ordered off the ship or the radio fails.

All vessels able to respond must take immediate action to aid in the rescue until the danger becomes so perilous that his ship is in danger of going down or the life of his crew is at unreasonable risk.

Any ship's Master who refuses to provide rescue assistance can be charged.


What this POS did was as bad as it gets.
 

toughb

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This is meant to be tongue-in-cheek. The captain should stay with his ship, but in this case he seemed to have been one of the first.
I believe he's part of the me generation.
 

Worf

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you call yourself a klingon? you are nothing but a bIHnuch
In reality, I would probably see to it that women and children would be first. But is this noble in today's environment? We have female CEO's, police, soldiers, firefighters. We don't have chairmen any more - only chairs. Doctors, dentists, professionals. More girls in engineering faculties than guys. Powerful women. Etc, etc. Again, I have no problem with all of this. But when sh*t hits the fan, should us marginalized men, the butt of society jokes, now step up and say - women and children first? I don't know. Again, my family first. I will protect them as best I can. It's that old school mentality ingrained in me.
 

fuji

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Serious answer:

It is no longer emergency evacuation protocol to specify women and children first. The reason is that it slows things down. People are generally all in a crush and it wastes valuable time to divide them into male/female adult/child and ensure that all the children have a guardian and so on. Also, families then waste time saying goodbye, milling around, looking for each other, and it delays the evacuation, creates additional chaos, and overall is counter-productive to the goal of getting everybody off the boat. It's a noble sentiment but in the end it just wastes time in a time-critical situation, and complicates a situation where people are probably already having to improvise.

On the other hand it IS still the rule that the captain is supposed to stay on the ship organizing the evacuation and this guy fled. Have you heard the (translated) transcript of the coast guard reaming him out and ordering him to get back onto his ship? It's harsh.
 

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Serious answer:

It is no longer emergency evacuation protocol to specify women and children first. The reason is that it slows things down. People are generally all in a crush and it wastes valuable time to divide them into male/female adult/child and ensure that all the children have a guardian and so on. Also, families then waste time saying goodbye, milling around, looking for each other, and it delays the evacuation, creates additional chaos, and overall is counter-productive to the goal of getting everybody off the boat. It's a noble sentiment but in the end it just wastes time in a time-critical situation, and complicates a situation where people are probably already having to improvise.

On the other hand it IS still the rule that the captain is supposed to stay on the ship organizing the evacuation and this guy fled. Have you heard the (translated) transcript of the coast guard reaming him out and ordering him to get back onto his ship? It's harsh.
You're right Fuji. The Captain doesn't have to go down with the ship, but he's supposed to be the last person off it.

R2R
 

fuji

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You're right Fuji. The Captain doesn't have to go down with the ship, but he's supposed to be the last person off it.
Technically, last one off as part of the organized evacuation effort. Nobody really expects that he would still be there, a few days later, because some haven't been found in the hold of the ship yet.

At any rate, this guy didn't do that. He got off on one of the early boats, and when Italian Coast Guard found out about that, they screamed at him to get the hell back on his ship and organize the evacuation. Which he refused to do:

De Falco: "This is De Falco speaking from Livorno. Am I speaking with the commander?"

Schettino: "Yes. Good evening, Cmdr De Falco."

De Falco: "Please tell me your name."

Schettino: "I'm Cmdr Schettino, commander."

De Falco: "Schettino? Listen Schettino. There are people trapped on board. Now you go with your boat under the prow on the starboard side. There is a pilot ladder. You will climb that ladder and go on board. You go on board and then you will tell me how many people there are. Is that clear? I'm recording this conversation, Cmdr Schettino …"

Schettino: "Commander, let me tell you one thing …"

De Falco: "Speak up! Put your hand in front of the microphone and speak more loudly, is that clear?"

Schettino: "In this moment, the boat is tipping …"

De Falco: "I understand that, listen, there are people that are coming down the pilot ladder of the prow. You go up that pilot ladder, get on that ship and tell me how many people are still on board. And what they need. Is that clear? You need to tell me if there are children, women or people in need of assistance. And tell me the exact number of each of these categories. Is that clear? Listen Schettino, that you saved yourself from the sea, but I am going to … really do something bad to you … I am going to make you pay for this. Go on board, (expletive)!"

Schettino: "Commander, please …"

De Falco: "No, please. You now get up and go on board. They are telling me that on board there are still …"

Schettino: "I am here with the rescue boats, I am here, I am not going anywhere, I am here …"

De Falco: "What are you doing, commander?"

Schettino: "I am here to co-ordinate the rescue …"

De Falco: "What are you co-ordinating there? Go on board! Co-ordinate the rescue from aboard the ship. Are you refusing?"

Schettino: "No, I am not refusing."

De Falco: "Are you refusing to go aboard, commander? Can you tell me the reason why you are not going?"

Schettino: "I am not going because the other lifeboat is stopped."

De Falco: "You go aboard. It is an order. Don't make any more excuses. You have declared 'abandon ship'. Now I am in charge. You go on board! Is that clear? Do you hear me? Go, and call me when you are aboard. My air rescue crew is there."

Schettino: "Where are your rescuers?"

De Falco: "My air rescue is on the prow. Go. There are already bodies, Schettino."

Schettino: "How many bodies are there?"

De Falco: "I don't know. I have heard of one. You are the one who has to tell me how many there are. Christ!"

Schettino: "But do you realise it is dark and here we can't see anything …"

De Falco: "And so what? You want to go home, Schettino? It is dark and you want to go home? Get on that prow of the boat using the pilot ladder and tell me what can be done, how many people there are and what their needs are. Now!"

Schettino: "… I am with my second in command."

De Falco: "So both of you go up then … You and your second go on board now. Is that clear?"

Schettino: "Commander, I want to go on board, but it is simply that the other boat here … there are other rescuers. It has stopped and is waiting …"

De Falco: "It has been an hour that you have been telling me the same thing. Now, go on board. Go on board! And then tell me immediately how many people there are there."

Schettino: "OK, commander."

De Falco: "Go, immediately!"
Harsh.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/17/costa-concordia-transcript-coastguard-captain
 

needinit

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Proper procedure is crew members assigned to man the life boats and evacuation stations are in charge of those stations.

Captain is to verify all souls are evacuated.

First Mate is responsible for the head counts

Second and Third Mates are Safety Officers assigned to the Boat.

Officer of the Deck will coordinate all evacuations.

Radio man is to transmit MAYDAY and position until he is ordered off the ship or the radio fails.

All vessels able to respond must take immediate action to aid in the rescue until the danger becomes so perilous that his ship is in danger of going down or the life of his crew is at unreasonable risk.

Any ship's Master who refuses to provide rescue assistance can be charged.


What this POS did was as bad as it gets.
Agree with you 100%

Did you complete your Master Mariners license yet?
 

papasmerf

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this moron had better hope his trial stays in civil courts. If he goes before a MARITIME COURT he stands a fair change of being hanged and a better chance of life in prison.
 

rhuarc29

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Yeah a report I heard said that the captain was berated over a radio or cell phone by the Coast Guard and ordered to return to the ship. Definitely a jail sentence in the future for this guy.
Really? I had no idea he was LEGALLY obligated to stay behind to coordinate the evacuation.
 

papasmerf

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Really? I had no idea he was LEGALLY obligated to stay behind to coordinate the evacuation.
he is not actually a Captian

He is the Vessel's Master.

He can over rule the owners and refuse to set sail if he feels it is unsafe.
If he sails in poor weather the blame falls to him.

He is the final say on the vessel.
That makes him obligated.
 

Aardvark154

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Proper procedure is crew members assigned to man the life boats and evacuation stations are in charge of those stations.

Captain is to verify all souls are evacuated.

First Mate is responsible for the head counts

Second and Third Mates are Safety Officers assigned to the Boat.

Officer of the Deck will coordinate all evacuations.

Radio man is to transmit MAYDAY and position until he is ordered off the ship or the radio fails.

All vessels able to respond must take immediate action to aid in the rescue until the danger becomes so perilous that his ship is in danger of going down or the life of his crew is at unreasonable risk.

Any ship's Master who refuses to provide rescue assistance can be charged.


What this POS did was as bad as it gets.
Needless to say absolutely the case. and you are absolutely right in what you wrote Papa!
 

Aardvark154

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Agree with you 100%

Did you complete your Master Mariners license yet?
Based on what this idiot Captain Schettino, did and what Papa has written over the years, he deserves an any tonage any ocean license more than Schettino!

By the Papa, congradulations!
 

spacyfoil

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Few days back I had said, "Anywhere outside Canada is NOT safe"

Someone said to me "Spoken like a True Looser !"""

Maybe, but I am 1000 % sure, NOOOOOOOOO Canadian Captain would be this ugly and leave the ship.

We are a better country, and that is 100 % true. We do have bad people, but on Average, we are more caring.

But this would NEVER EVER happen in Canada.
 

Aardvark154

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Few days back I had said, "Anywhere outside Canada is NOT safe"

Someone said to me "Spoken like a True Looser !"""

Maybe, but I am 1000 % sure, NOOOOOOOOO Canadian Captain would be this ugly and leave the ship.

We are a better country, and that is 100 % true. We do have bad people, but on Average, we are more caring.

But this would NEVER EVER happen in Canada.
Another thing almost every passenger ship sailing from a U.S. or Canadian port has a "boat drill" before the ship sails.
 
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