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Cops Tase Father Trying To Save His 3-Year-Old Son From House Fire

blackrock13

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A cat is not a child.
You are obviously not a cat owner. To many owners they are just like children. There is little doubt that the father was not thinking clearly, if he thought entering a house engulfed in flame to save his child's the right thing to do. A natural reaction yes, but not the right thing to do.
 

fmahovalich

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You have no idea. And the example YOU gave about stopping someone, was stopping someone to save a pet. How that's relevant, I have no idea, but don't blame me if you can't come up with a better comparison. ;)
No I committed a violent criminal act..an assault...on a woman no less...with a good tackle.....to stop HER FROM KILLING HERSELF....nothing to do with the cat. This one is easy Arthur. Don't think too deep.
 

blackrock13

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You have no idea. And the example YOU gave about stopping someone, was stopping someone to save a pet. How that's relevant, I have no idea, but don't blame me if you can't come up with a better comparison. ;)
The police and fireman on site had an idea. The police stopped the father and the fireman wouldn't enter the house, even with their training and special equipment.
 

blackrock13

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Pets and children are not treated the same under the law. You have no idea whether or not the father was thinking clearly, or how involved the house was. It may or may not have been the right thing to do. It wasn't up to the police to tase him to enforce THEIR opinion.
Since you have singularly failed to convince anyone of anything, that's all there is to this thread.
Who's talking about equality under the law? We're talking about stopping someone from clearly killing themselves in a futile effort to save life. In the father's case leaving two other surviving family members without a father, husband, and protector. The police and firefighters' 'opinion' was based on experience and training. What's your opinion based on?
 

fmahovalich

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Yes we are not focusing on what he was trying to save. We are focused on saving the Father from himself.

does anyone know how drunk the Dad was?
 

Aardvark154

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Most states, fire chiefs and their deputies have pretty much dictatorial power at the scene of a working fire. That includes forbidding family members from going back into a burning building in an attempt to rescue.
 
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basketcase

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it was wrong. they should have let him go if not helped save the child
Emotionally I can understand the dad wanting to save his kid but if the fireman in full gear couldn't get into the building safely, there is no way the dad could have survived the attempt. Legally the cops did the right thing by stopping him. A taser might sound bad but it saved his life.


As significant, if the fire was so hot that a geared up professional couldn't get in, the kid would have been long dead.
 

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Except that your initial claims was that what they did was outside the law, which it wasn't. So now that the law doesn't fit your thoughts of right and wrong, it's bullshit. It wasn't just their opinion/assessment, it was a fact upheld by the firefighter assessment of the fire, who were there ad far more capable of assessing the reality of the fire than anyone sitting here on TERB looking back. How about the right of the mother and son to have their husband and father alive? How about the responsibility of the father to protect and provide for the living members of his family?
No, that part of the law is bullshit. But being that is supposedly what it is, my point is: who came to the conclusion that dad running into the burning building to save his 3-year-old was an act of suicide? And did they have the moral right to do so? As far as I'm concerned, it was the father's choice to make.

Out of curiosity, would you mind quoting the chapter and verse that says the mother and son have the legal right to have their husband and father alive at the possibly expense of their child/sibling? You are the one arguing the legal points here.
 

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No, that part of the law is bullshit. But being that is supposedly what it is, my point is: who came to the conclusion that dad running into the burning building to save his 3-year-old was an act of suicide? And did they have the moral right to do so? As far as I'm concerned, it was the father's choice to make.

Out of curiosity, would you mind quoting the chapter and verse that says the mother and son have the legal right to have their husband and father alive at the possibly expense of their child/sibling? You are the one arguing the legal points here.
Nope.....under the Mental Health Act, a person set on harming themself is subject to arrest for their own protection.

no different than 'assaulting' someone on a bridge, ready to jump, when you reach out and yank them back.

No Sir..this case is over.
 

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Nope.....under the Mental Health Act, a person set on harming themself is subject to arrest for their own protection.

no different than 'assaulting' someone on a bridge, ready to jump, when you reach out and yank them back.

No Sir..this case is over.
This guy had no intention of harming himself.... he wanted to save his son. Nothing insane about that.
 

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Yet you didn't answer the simple question of do you think he could have saved his child.

He has a right to surely leave his surviving family without a father, husband, and protector?
Are you a father? No, right?
 

red

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Red. You are out of your league. Have you ever seen a raging fire? You are probably best not to comment without some first hand knowledge. They were right to let the child die and save he Father.

Tragic. But right!
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Have I ever seen a raging fire? Uh yeah- I have gone into a burning barn to rescue my horses

Are you a dad? You can't be if you would say the above
 

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What hasn't been mentioned here is that now "Dad" starts screaming inside the house, firefighters are either put in extreme emotional trauma when they are ordered not to attempt to rescue "Dad," or risk their lives attempting to get him out of the building.
 

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What hasn't been mentioned here is that now "Dad" starts screaming inside the house, firefighters are either put in extreme emotional trauma when they are ordered not to attempt to rescue "Dad," or risk their lives attempting to get him out of the building.
But they have no emotional trauma listening to the three year old burn to death? Really?
 

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pretty sure they were on the scene ...
The story mentions that the father is angry the police we waitingb around for fire and doing nothing, so it is clear that he made his rescue attempt before fire arrived. It may well have been possible at that time.

It is unclear how long fire took to get there after he was tasered, but even something short like five minutes can make a HUGE difference in the intensity of the fire.
 

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The story mentions that the father is angry the police we waitingb around for fire and doing nothing, so it is clear that he made his rescue attempt before fire arrived. It may well have been possible at that time.

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Fuji's in his refuse to admit he was wrong mode.

Article clearly says that the fire department was there when the dad tried to go in.
 

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The story mentions that the father is angry the police we waitingb around for fire and doing nothing, so it is clear that he made his rescue attempt before fire arrived. It may well have been possible at that time.

It is unclear how long fire took to get there after he was tasered, but even something short like five minutes can make a HUGE difference in the intensity of the fire.
That's not what this says Fuji:
http://www.whig.com/story/23860832/faulty-electrical-circuit-blamed-in-fatal-louisiana-fire
 
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