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Consumer Spending Will Not Rebound - Here's Why

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Consumer Spending Will Not Rebound - Here's Why

Mon, 05/18/2020 - 11:05

Authored by Charles Hugh Smith via OfTwoMinds blog,

Any economy that concentrates its wealth and income in the top tier is a fragile economy.



There are two structural reasons why consumer spending will not rebound, no matter how "open" the economy may be. Virtually everyone who glances at headlines knows the global economy is lurching into either a deep recession or a full-blown depression, depending on the definitions one is using. Everyone also knows the stock market has roared back as if nothing has happened.



While most financial pundits have accepted that a V-shaped recovery is not possible, few (if any) observers have discussed two factors that will cause consumer spending to crash harder than generally expected:

1. The top 10% of households account for about half of all consumer spending, and these are the households that will be most affected by the sharp drop in assets, small business income and the shrinking of heretofore "safe" white-collar jobs in higher education, healthcare, finance, etc.



In other words, since the top 10% own roughly 85% of all non-family-home assets (i.e. stocks, bonds, business equity, rental real estate), the decline in the value of these assets and the decline in the income generated by these assets will hit the top 10%, not the bottom 90% who own a tiny sliver of these assets.

Companies are slashing dividends, tenants are not paying rent and family-owned businesses will experience declines in revenues and profits--even those which have yet to feel the consequences.

All of these income streams and assets are owned by the top 10%, and so all these declines in wealth and income will be concentrated in the top 10%.






2. The majority of the wealth owned by top 10% households is held by people 50 years of age or older, and this older cohort that owns most of the wealth and the income streams generated by the wealth are more at risk of Covid-19 than younger people. Surveys have found that people who feel more at risk are much less inclined to start going back to restaurants, musical events, etc., or going on cruises or airline flights.

It's important to note that risk is an internal assessment. Thus the economy can be completely open again but people who feel cautious won't resume their old spending habits, and there is no way to force them to do so.

The data strongly suggests elderly people and those with metabolic issues--obesity, high levels of sugar or cholesterol, and high blood pressure--are at greater risk than healthier people. (Vitamin D and zinc deficiencies may also play a role, as well as general immune response.) I recently saw a statistic that only 15% of the American populace is metabolically healthy. The point here is that a sense of heightened risk is sensible for a great many people, and since the owners of most of the wealth are older, this caution will have outsized impacts on consumer spending.

Combine this with the shrinking wealth and income of the top 10%, and you get a double-whammy reduction in consumption.

It's also instructive to gauge the enormous asymmetry in what the top 10% spend on services compared to the bottom 90%. The bottom 90% may get their hair or nails done and have the oil changed in their car, but they typically can't afford (or don't need) all the services routinely engaged by the top 10%: dog walkers, CPAs, tax accountants, attendants for elderly parents, piano lessons and other tutoring for children, fitness trainers, career counselors, landscape designers and so on--the list is practically endless.

Once the top 10% are forced to tighten their belts, it won't be Wal-Mart sales that are hit--it will be millions of service providers who depended solely on the top 10% (or top 5%) for virtually all their income.



All the professions that only served the top 10% will be decimated, as they are all inessential. Virtually every one of these tasks can be cancelled, put off into the future, or performed by the household if push comes to shove financially.

The arts and performing arts that depend almost entirely on costly ticket sales to the wealthy and donations from top 5% households will also be decimated. If you attend the symphony, ballet or opera, you know 90%+ of the audience is over 60--the very cohort that will now hesitate to spend lavishly or attend crowded performances.

Based on my admittedly informal observations, I think it's a fair assessment to say that a great many top 10% households are in denial about the financial tsunami that's about to hit them. Since they weren't furloughed like lower-income workers, they have a delusional faith that their incomes, business and wealth will survive the depression intact.

They are looking at the water receding from the bay, leaving all the fish flopping in the seabed, and reckoning that's the worst that will happen. They don't yet understand that the tsunami that's about to roar ashore is not yet visible. The financial wave has yet to hit them, but when it does, they will find:

1. Their unearned/investment income will drop.

2. Tax hikes will be aimed exclusively at the top 10%, further eroding their income.

3. Their services weren't as essential or in demand as they assumed, because they assumed the top 10% that make up the bulk of their customers would resume spending freely.

4. Their assets will decline in value, as the only buyers are other top 10% households, and these declines in wealth and income will create a self-reinforcing downward spiral.

If assets will lose $10 trillion in value, virtually all of this will come out of the accounts of the top 10%. If investment and business income declines by $1 trillion, virtually all of this will come out of the incomes of the top 10%.



In summary: the vast majority of spending by the bottom 90% isn't discretionary: it's mostly servicing debt (student loans, mortgages, auto/truck loans, credit cards, etc) and essentials (rent, food, utilities, etc.), with modest discretionary spending on fast food and cheap goods.

In contrast, the top 10% spending--almost half of all consumer spending-- has supported a vast number of service businesses, jobs, arts organizations, etc.--entities that receive very little of their revenues from the bottom 90%. As the top 10%'s income crashes, so will their discretionary spending. The older the wealthy household, the more likely they will hesitate to spend as their nestegg is crushed and their caution about crowds endures.

These dynamics are under-appreciated in my view, and so the majority of media commentators and the top 10% themselves are unprepared for the asymmetric impacts on their own wealth, income and livelihood that will sweep ashore later this year.

This trend reversal in top 10% spending has been building for some time: Early warning sign of recession? High-wage workers are spending less (11/29/19) "The trend is noteworthy because the top 10% of households by income make up nearly half of all consumption."

Any economy that concentrates its wealth and income in the top tier is a fragile economy.

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Smallcock

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Good article. I agree.
 

Darts

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"Once the top 10% are forced to tighten their belts, it won't be Wal-Mart sales that are hit--it will be millions of service providers who depended solely on the top 10% (or top 5%) for virtually all their income."

The top 10% might suffer but if they cut back on their spending the bottom 90% will suffer more.
 

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I agree that most everything in the discretionary spending category will decline. Boats and RV prices will drop like a rock. I had friends who ran a remote fishing camp during the 08-09 downturn and they barely got through the year. Many other camps and lodges folded for good. Looking really bad for most travel and hotel industries , some service sector spending like housecleaning and lawn services. Sports and Entertainment ( not counting Netflix and Crave and companies providing internet services) have already been crushed. The golf industry was already hurting before COVID.
 

Darts

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"The top 10% of households account for about half of all consumer spending, and these are the households that will be most affected by the sharp drop in assets, small business income and the shrinking of heretofore "safe" white-collar jobs in higher education, healthcare, finance, etc.

In other words, since the top 10% own roughly 85% of all non-family-home assets (i.e. stocks, bonds, business equity, rental real estate), the decline in the value of these assets and the decline in the income generated by these assets will hit the top 10%, not the bottom 90% who own a tiny sliver of these assets"

Top 10% is a very broad benchmark. I wouldn't be surprised if many (most?) TERB members north of 50 are in the "top 10%". Based on their hourly rate of $250, $300 or higher, I would think that most escorts worth their salt are in the top 10% of income earners.

My Portuguese neighbor who came to Canada as a penniless young adult and now owns 3 houses is easily worth north of $3mm is probably in the top 10%.
 

bazokajoe

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I disagree with the article.
The people that will be hurt the most are people living a lifestyle higher than their income. I'm not in the top 10% but I have not been affected, nor will I be affected by this "economic downturn". Yes my investments have been hurt. Yes I won't be travelling any time soon but that's due to exchange rates. If I do travel it would be to Australia where the CDN$ is worth more than the AUS$.
There will be people of every age group that will be hesitant to go to restaurants,movies,malls and travel. Banks don't want your house and will work with you if you are having trouble making payments,so will credit cards. Yes, some people will lose their jobs but most will be going back sooner or later.
Just watch the news and people say " I just wanted to get out of the house and shop and get back to normal".
The economy is in for a rough ride for this year but it will bounce back sooner than people think.

I bet dollars to donuts,and I like donuts, that our bleeding heart PM will eventually forgive those who can't pay back/taxes on the $2000 handouts to assist people out of work. That will happen in 2022 when it's getting close to election time. All it will take is a few single moms on TV to complain about the bills they all ready can't pay and now the government wants it's money.
 

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The top 10 percent will still spend a lot of money. Where they spend it will change more than how much they spend. No restaurant spending or travel will lead to a lot more spending around the house. The top 10 percent don’t spend all of their income anyways. Their portfolio might not look as good, but their lives won’t change very dramatically from a financial standpoint.
Their kids waiting to cash them out might feel the pinch. I think they are the real losers in this.
 

explorerzip

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All I know is I will be one of those actively boycotting anything made in China...I was already doing that before the shit show but now that will only increase...I’ve been working during this so my income hasn’t been affected which allows me to pay double for products made here....I know it’s not completely doable but the more we do it the better it is for us in the long run....
This sounds good on paper, but it's near impossible to buy anything that does not have any connection to China or other places. Even products that are Made in Canada can still come from other countries. Companies can put a Made in Canada label on products so long as the final assembly is done in Canada and at most of the manufacturing / labor costs is done in Canada. I am sure that most companies have found of ways around this.
 

HEYHEY

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What the article says is true, however I think the bigger problem will be this,

"Half of Canadians say they are on brink of insolvency as coronavirus threatens to burst country’s consumer debt bubble"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/busine...ns-to-burst-countrys-consumer-debt-bubble/amp

Half the population couldn't come up with something like $1,000 before all of this even started. Combined with debt up to their eyeballs.

Imo what we will see unfold in canada in the near future will be of epic proportions.
 

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Purchases to make ostentatious displays of wealth will go out of fashion for the foreseeable future as places to show off and see and be seen will be not as they were obviously.
 

redshank

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If they make it through this I'm pretty certain the bars will be doing a good business when this is over
 

Malibuk

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What the article says is true, however I think the bigger problem will be this,

"Half of Canadians say they are on brink of insolvency as coronavirus threatens to burst country’s consumer debt bubble"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/busine...ns-to-burst-countrys-consumer-debt-bubble/amp

Half the population couldn't come up with something like $1,000 before all of this even started. Combined with debt up to their eyeballs.

Imo what we will see unfold in canada in the near future will be of epic proportions.
Exactly, we have just seen the tip of the iceberg.

People will be struggling to pay bills, service debts, and save for the next rainy day funds.

A lot of people are in for a rude awakening soon when CERB runs out and the residential eviction halting order is lifted.
 

Czar

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I overheard someone mentioning this the other day as an idea. He suggested that we have a unique wealth tax called the wealth stimulus. I am not sure exactly how the details would be but it would go along the lines of: use it or lose it. If you have over a certain amount of wealth, spend it but it has to be in certain areas that benefit Canadians. If you don't, the government will take it as tax.

Everyone here need only ask themselves as a question: how much income tax did I spend last year. If I had the option of spending 10% of that on myself, would I? Of course.

In the case of the wealth stimulus, this is a new spending requirement/or tax. So the people who have this new requirement are putting new money into the system. And while they may not have spent it otherwise, it will be the funnest tax they ever had.

Maybe they will buy a 50,000 dollar pool. Well guess what? GST and PST gets paid to the government. The pool company gets money and pays taxes. Workers are employed and pay taxes and spend their money on things which pay taxes. Jobs and taxes. It can only last so long but it is now a stimulus in the billions.

Crazy idea or good idea. Thoughtful criticism is welcome.
 
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bazokajoe

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I suggest we have a unique wealth tax called the wealth stimulus. I am not sure exactly how the details would be but it would go along the lines of: use it or lose it. If you have over a certain amount of wealth, spend it but it has to be in certain areas that benefit Canadians. If you don't, the government will take it as tax.

Everyone here need only ask themselves as a question: how much income tax did I spend last year. If I had the option of spending 10% of that on myself, would I? Of course.

In the case of the wealth stimulus, this is a new spending requirement/or tax. So the people who have this new requirement are putting new money into the system. And while they may not have spent it otherwise, it will be the funnest tax they ever had.

Maybe they will buy a 50,000 dollar pool. Well guess what? GST and PST gets paid to the government. The pool company gets money and pays taxes. Workers are employed and pay taxes and spend their money on things which pay taxes. Jobs and taxes. It can only last so long but it is now a stimulus in the billions.

Crazy idea or good idea. Thoughtful criticism is welcome.
Were you on drugs when you wrote this?
You asked "how much income tax did I spend last year" . How does someone spend income tax? That comes off my pay and goes straight to the government .

Sober up and pull your head out of your ass.
 

Ceiling Cat

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It is too early for the government to know the exact numbers, but there will be high unemployment close to 20%. People will minimize spending until things get better. This time the whole world is in trouble. The road back to pre covid-19 numbers will be a long one. My guess is 5-6 years before we see better times.
 

saxon

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I’ve been reading where most of the world’s billionaires have seen their net worth skyrocket in the last 4 months. Even my own portfolio has jumped up considerably, much thanks to my holdings in Amazon and Shopify.
 

doggystyle99

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Was passing by Yorkville the other day and saw long lineups for retail stores...it looked like pre covid times demand with the exception of some social distancing and masks.....
It's amazing that in all these threads you conveniently keep posting that you "know SP's that are making more money now than pre Coronavirus shutdown", or "there are underground clubs that have opened", or "there are people that are disobeying the shutdown orders and having parties", and now "long lineups for retail stores like pre covid times". Again all of this fits well with your "open businesses now" narrative but it's just simply made up to fit your narrative and if all these were true it would have been made known to the public as the government likes nothing more than to set an example of people disobeying the rules.

You might see lineups at store but that's because they are limiting the number of customers they let in at one time into stores. Brands and retail stores are expecting up to a 60% decline in revenue. I was actually in Yorkville yesterday late afternoon and not even 10% of the number of people I would have seen regularly on a sunny Friday afternoon. What store were these people lined up at?

I've not heard of a single retail store having a lineup anywhere in the GTA since reopening. The only chains that I've heard or seen lineups at are Starbucks and Krispy Kremes which have stayed open.
 

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I suggest we have a unique wealth tax called the wealth stimulus. I am not sure exactly how the details would be but it would go along the lines of: use it or lose it. If you have over a certain amount of wealth, spend it but it has to be in certain areas that benefit Canadians. If you don't, the government will take it as tax.

Crazy idea or good idea. Thoughtful criticism is welcome.
Russia, the iron curtain and that type of thinking is over.
The Berlin Wall will not be rebuilt because Mexico will not pay for it.
I don’t think that many will share in your idea Comrade.

Forceful removal of anything earned by someone by government will only result in a form of communism and we already know how that worked out. People who want that can always apply for immigration to China or North Korea.
 

doggystyle99

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Yes sir I went to Toronto to visit a naturopath and what caught my attention is that the Zara store had a huge lineup....not every store had these lineups...but more than half of people were just going on about their lives and half of them weren’t wearing masks....and no I am not being selfish or irresponsible as I do wear a mask and stay my distance but I found that many people were behaving as if it were pre covid times...I’m also sympathetic to those who are suffering other ordeals right now because of this whether it’s mentally, physically or financially....

However me or you or anyone else feels about it doesn’t make a difference....there’s always going to be those that yell out “stay home” while others have had enough and did their part but still need to go on with their lives...whether or not you want to believe me about the SP I could frankly care less but you’re lying to yourself if you think that there aren’t hobbyists that are seeing SPs right now as I type this....in fact lots of businesses are doing things underground or making house calls(not just SPs) just because you don’t see them advertise doesn’t mean it’s not an occurrence....
These convenient random stories you post to fit the narrative of "opening businesses now" are just that. Like I said I was in Yorkville yesterday late afternoon 4:30 PM and none of the shops on Cumberland, Yorkville or Bloor St had any lineups and on a regular sunny Friday afternoon in late spring Yorkville would be jam packed with traffic on the streets as well as people shopping which yesterday it wasn't, it wasn't even 10% of normal it would have been. You'd seen one store and you conveniently but falsely turned that into "Was passing by Yorkville the other day and saw long lineups for retail stores.....it looked like pre covid times demand"
Yet you think a small lineup of 5-10 people is "like pre covid times demand" and I can assure you if that lineup you claim was any bigger than that the news outlets and stories would have been shared on social media and we would have all heard about these supposed long lineups you claim.

Even if there was a small lineup these stores are only allowing in a very limited number of customers at a time so thats probably the cause and not "like pre covide times demand".
I got an email yesterday from a store I regularly shop at and they are only allowing in one client at a time, by appointment only so could be Zara is doing the same. As well the merchandise will be quarantined and disinfected between appointments.

There are those irrational, loud and ignorant few who have been yelling "Open businesses now" for a few weeks now, and regardless of what they want based on their selfish wants, the government is taking a very calculated approach because they understand the threat of the Coronavirus and so are business owners and leaders and I am very thankful for that.

What supposed "lots of businesses are doing things underground or making house calls"?
There are SP's and some agencies operating through the shutdown but none of these are reputable or responsible SP's I would ever see, nor a representation of the rest of the business world. Lots means a large number and I don't know a single business contact in the many different industries that is currently or was disobeying the rules and guidelines set by the government. Matter of fact some of them are going to be enforcing health and tracing measures for their employees and their customers protection.
Again this nonsense you spew sounds great with the narrative you're trying to spin but it just is made up nonsense.
 

doggystyle99

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Ok sure you can keep telling yourself that... meanwhile flights are still coming in from China so please tell me why people shouldn’t be resuming with their life and not cowering away in fear? Sure it’s not as busy as it used to be...I said pre covid time’s in the sense that people are still seeing their friends, going out for walks etc

Yes there are businesses that are operating underground and doing housecalls because some of them don’t have any other choice....my barber has been quarantine like me...he is on the brink of bankruptcy and has to accept the fact that he will have to take housecalls soon and I know many other examples of these as well as those who are in pain from other ailments but it’s ok cause they aren’t covid top priority to you...what do you anticipate is going to happen when CERB runs out? All the lockdown measures aren’t going to stop what people are doing...is that not evident to you at the least ?

Anyways you can keep denying it all you want but it doesn’t change these facts at all...have a good evening...
You can keep on assuming and saying "lots of businesses" while in reality there are very few who are operating and it doesn't change the fact that the high majority of people, high majority of businesses are taking this very seriously.

As for your assumption that flights are coming in, flights are very limited to begin with I'd be shocked if it's even 5% of normal from what they were before the suspension of non essential travel, and non Canadian citizens are not allowed to enter Canada, and Canadians are to be in mandatory quarantine for 14 days upon entering Canada.

Like I said this nonsense you spew sounds great for the narrative of "Open businesses now" you're trying to spin but it's just made up nonsense.
 
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