Conservative attack adds
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I find them annoying as well.basketcase said:
I don't think this was well thought out by the Conservatives and will probably backfire, if it hasn't already.
The tone of the ads is all wrong. Putting aside policy issues, the Conservatives have a problem in that they always seem angry, and these ads won't help.lookingforitallthetime said:
Attack ads that legitimately criticize another party's positions can be effective, but I don't think these ones will work.
All they are is a broadcast of what Dion said during the leadership convention that the media failed to bring to the publics attention.
Anyone for cooked rat?
Anyone for cooked rat?
It's a little funny that when the Liberals were putting out the attack ads about the 'scary' conservatives, the national media barely batted an eye...now when the liberals' own words are being televised, everyone's in a frenzy about it. It wont backfire..it's too early before an election and it's smart to try and define a new leader from the get go...rather than let him re-invent himself. It's 100% true that the liberals failed miserably when it came to the environment...under Dion's watch as environment minister. People are calling it an attack ad, but no one can really say its untrue at all.
The Conservatives have such a poor relationship with the press that I guess they feel that they have to do this. It will probably backfire. The press will make a meal out of it to get back at Harper's shoddy (in their minds) treatment of them.
It also makes the press look like complete idiots for buying into the "Liberals as defenders of the environment" bullcrap that Dion was trying to spread. Complete nonsense given his, and the party's, dismal record on the environment while in office.
It also makes the press look like complete idiots for buying into the "Liberals as defenders of the environment" bullcrap that Dion was trying to spread. Complete nonsense given his, and the party's, dismal record on the environment while in office.
It's a waste of tax payers money if you ask me. Even if an election is called in a few months, there will still be a minority government with even further waste of taxpayers money.
I like the fact that there is a minority government, mainly because the parties have to work together. However, I'd like to an election every four years.
I like the fact that there is a minority government, mainly because the parties have to work together. However, I'd like to an election every four years.
Attack ads always seem like an act of desperation to me. I didn't like when the Liberals used them in the last election and I don't like to Conservatives using even before an election is called now. It reeks of American mudslinging. Canadians should be above this crass behaviour.
I'm fairly certain that the CPOC is picking up the tab. Apparently they have the money to waste.Tungsten said:
Unauthorized use of debate footage?
This could be interesting. Harper doesn't seem to have permission to use that footage. The CPOC won't even say how they got their hands on it. If the CPOC are in copyright violation with these ads, they'll look like assholes who can't even do a good smear without spilling most of the shit on themselves. Talk about blowback!
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070129/tory_ads_070129/20070129?hub=Politics
Tory attack ads could breach copyright rules
Updated Mon. Jan. 29 2007 10:52 PM ET
Canadian Press
OTTAWA -- Conservative attack ads fired at Liberal Leader Stephane Dion may end up sideswiping the ruling party after questions were raised about possible breach of copyright laws.
The television ads, which began airing Monday, use footage from last fall's Liberal leadership debates to deliver the message that the new Grit leader is weak, indecisive and an environmental failure. But that footage belongs to a consortium of TV networks which pooled their resources to provide live coverage of the debates. The Cable Public Affairs Channel provided the pool camera for each debate.
The networks are now looking into how the Conservatives obtained the debate footage for their ads.
CPAC anchor Peter Van Dusen said Monday that any outside use of debate video would have to be approved by all pool members. Moreover, he said such video is traditionally never authorized for use by political parties.
Van Dusen said he is not aware of any request by the Tory party to buy or use any portion of the debate videos.
"It would come through me and I certainly don't remember ever getting a request," he said, adding that he "would've said no" if he had received a request.....
This could be interesting. Harper doesn't seem to have permission to use that footage. The CPOC won't even say how they got their hands on it. If the CPOC are in copyright violation with these ads, they'll look like assholes who can't even do a good smear without spilling most of the shit on themselves. Talk about blowback!
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070129/tory_ads_070129/20070129?hub=Politics
Tory attack ads could breach copyright rules
Updated Mon. Jan. 29 2007 10:52 PM ET
Canadian Press
OTTAWA -- Conservative attack ads fired at Liberal Leader Stephane Dion may end up sideswiping the ruling party after questions were raised about possible breach of copyright laws.
The television ads, which began airing Monday, use footage from last fall's Liberal leadership debates to deliver the message that the new Grit leader is weak, indecisive and an environmental failure. But that footage belongs to a consortium of TV networks which pooled their resources to provide live coverage of the debates. The Cable Public Affairs Channel provided the pool camera for each debate.
The networks are now looking into how the Conservatives obtained the debate footage for their ads.
CPAC anchor Peter Van Dusen said Monday that any outside use of debate video would have to be approved by all pool members. Moreover, he said such video is traditionally never authorized for use by political parties.
Van Dusen said he is not aware of any request by the Tory party to buy or use any portion of the debate videos.
"It would come through me and I certainly don't remember ever getting a request," he said, adding that he "would've said no" if he had received a request.....
lookingforitallthetime said:
The NDP membership all put in time at the CBC. Notice I didn't say work at the CBC because thats not possible.
If that happens it will really make the double standard regarding “attack ads” even more obvious. The Conservatives and T.V. people tried using the same copyright arguments when the liberals used similar footage in the 1988 election and it didn’t work. However, I have noticed that “attack ads” are usually only bad when the Conservatives use them and not when the liberals us them.slowpoke said:
Edit: I don’t know about broadcasts but I know that for books you can do a fair amount of copying legality if you acknowledge the source and limit it to something like 10%. I’m not sure why broadcasts would be different.
Also, I should note that in 1988 all the political parties, including the liberals, had agreed that the debate footage could not be used but the liberals went back on the agreement. This time, I doubt if the conservatives would have agreed not to use footage from liberal leadership debates.
Peter Mansbridge and Mike Duffy are not pinkos!LancsLad said:The NDP membership all put in time at the CBC. Notice I didn't say work at the CBC because thats not possible.
I don't know about Nahlah Ayed, but I'd like to spend a night exploring her.....ah...politics. Is it just me or does anyone else find her a hot little spinner?
