College Installs "Cry Closet" As Safe Space For Student Snowflakes"Your comments pls

[oldjones]

Well, I remembered reading this and it squares with what my younger friends who attend universities are in fact telling me....

I think it's more about how universities have started to become too accommodating to a very small number of students who take offense at everything.

But here's the thing, imho, I have the right to offend you.

Anyway, here it is.....

Recently, I had occasion for the first time to be in a recognized “safe space,” that egregious term that generally seems to mean a place where the most delicate among us can vent without any fear of correction or challenge and then be supported up the yin-yang.

It was a panel discussion about the Jian Ghomeshi case held last Friday night at the University of Toronto.

Organized by the University of Toronto Men’s Issues Awareness Society (UTMIAS), a registered campus group, and sponsored by the Canadian Association for Equality (CAFE), the discussion featured two lawyers (David Butt and Richard Litkowski) and me.

The evening itself was fun and spirited.

My fellow panellists are smart, the audience was informed (a show of hands showed that about half had actually read Ontario Court Judge Bill Horkins’ decision acquitting Ghomeshi), Robert Samery, the chair of CAFE, had plenty of coffee on hand, and being Canucks, we were all exceedingly polite, except for me (I swore, but only twice).

What was grating, however, was the 10-minute introductory spiel, wherein several members of UTMIAS and CAFE gently reminded everyone that we were in a safe space, of their belief in fair and equal treatment for everyone, of the need for peaceful and civilized discussion, of the value of the human rights of everyone, of the approach to be taken (inclusive, diverse and affirming) and that the university’s “policy on disruption of meetings” was in effect.

And, as at least two speakers proudly mentioned, these forums were “models for how sensitive topics can be discussed” because “apart from universities,” there are few spaces where such things can be freely kicked around.

Apart from universities? Are you kidding me? Universities are the last places I’d look for vigorous debate, least of all on sensitive topics.
Link to rest:
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/chr...ns-really-so-fragile-that-we-need-safe-spaces

Better pull your helmet on tight kids, it's going to be a bumpy ride in the so called real world.

My comment's mostly about what Christie Blatchford had to say, quoted above: Yup. It's sad and shameful that we've had to establish entire organizations — more than one in fact — just to remind young people of the reality their parents didn't teach them: That free speech can only exist where people behave as if there is mutual respect and all viewpoints are reasonable, because everyone understands their responsibility to support what they advance by reason, not emotion or coercion. We used to call it common courtesy, back in the days when more people talked about such stuff more often.

Back then we naively thought all civilized space was safe, or was getting there. But that was long before 'Lock her up' became an accepted level of 'debate'. There have always been thuggish hooligans and cry-babies and there always will be. But the rest of us — the grown-ups — have to decide what we want our society to be: Civilized or barbarous.

 

[essguy_]

I think the OP needs a closet so that he can work out his outrage at all his imagined leftist demons.

 

[james t kirk]

Have you ever been to a university in the last 10 years? Have you experienced the shit that university and college students have to go through to get just a basic post secondary education???

When I was in university i would cry/ have literal mental breakdowns in the middle of classes, in the library, during my profs' office hours, eating lunch, going to the bathroom, literally all the time. University is a fucking stressful place so seeing a stranger just sitting on the floor having a melt down because they need a 96% on their exam or their parents wont pay for their tuition (which was $7,000 for my last years tuition.....which doesnt cover cost of living or books...) was a common occurrence.We all sort of got that we were all sort of fucked when it came to any sort of healthy personal life so friends werent always the most easy thing to come by so sometimes strangers would just come and shit with you and listen to you while you cried.

We're not fucking snowflakes, it is literally harder to be a "millennial" than it ever was for trash human like you. For example, my mother (who is a babyboomer) is an RN (Registered Nurse) and an NP (Nurse Practitioner), she got these diplomas in the 70s.......It was a 2 year college program that cost less than my rent. Today, to be an RN and a NP you need a four year university program (RN) and another two year, post grad program (NP) and even then there is no guarantee that there will be a job for you at the end of it. Also to become a NP it costs close to $45000 (without books and cost of living included).

So please, tell me again how we are fragile little snowflakes because just to exist in this world when you were born after 1985 takes a lot of fucking balls and mental exhaustion that people like tyou have never and will never experience.

https://www.vox.com/2017/12/20/16772670/baby-boomers-millennials-congress-debt

I don't know you.

But everything you've written makes me laugh. Your attitude is the epitome of the archetypal millennial.

I have some bad news for you. It's never been easy. Your mother's 70% high school average back whenever average is akin to a 90 average today. Marks are given out like smarties on Halloween now. I have several friends and family members who are teachers and they are required to have class averages of 80 or above. They bemoan this reality. They will often say, "kids all think that they are cut out for university and I know that they are not." Not so in my day. The average was whatever the average was and it was pretty much always in the low to mid 60's. Do you honestly believe that the human species has somehow evolved in the last 20 or 30 years to be that much more intelligent than the previous generation? The human species has been on this planet for about 200,000 years. It is not possible from an evolution point of view for young people today to possess higher intelligence as a group than their parents, or grand parents, or....you get the point.

There are more people than ever in university. Back in the 50's there were 50 people in the graduating classes in engineering and law and medicine, etc. at the University of Toronto. I know, I've looked at the old class photos. Now there are thousands of graduates. In addition, back in the good old days (before my time), if your family didn't have the money. You didn't go. It was that simple. Now, you have bursaries, grants, social assistance, student loans, programs on top of programs.

Again, I don't know you, but if you were suffering all these breakdowns while you were at school as you stated, the brutal truth is, you simply were not cut out for it. Do something else that doesn't require you to go to university. There's plenty of opportunity out there for anyone with some initiative.

 

[mandrill]

I think the OP needs a closet so that he can work out his outrage at all his imagined leftist demons.

I will buy him one..... on the sole condition that it only locks / unlocks on the outside.

 

[mandrill]

Have you ever been to a university in the last 10 years? Have you experienced the shit that university and college students have to go through to get just a basic post secondary education???

When I was in university i would cry/ have literal mental breakdowns in the middle of classes, in the library, during my profs' office hours, eating lunch, going to the bathroom, literally all the time. University is a fucking stressful place so seeing a stranger just sitting on the floor having a melt down because they need a 96% on their exam or their parents wont pay for their tuition (which was $7,000 for my last years tuition.....which doesnt cover cost of living or books...) was a common occurrence.We all sort of got that we were all sort of fucked when it came to any sort of healthy personal life so friends werent always the most easy thing to come by so sometimes strangers would just come and shit with you and listen to you while you cried.

We're not fucking snowflakes, it is literally harder to be a "millennial" than it ever was for trash human like you. For example, my mother (who is a babyboomer) is an RN (Registered Nurse) and an NP (Nurse Practitioner), she got these diplomas in the 70s.......It was a 2 year college program that cost less than my rent. Today, to be an RN and a NP you need a four year university program (RN) and another two year, post grad program (NP) and even then there is no guarantee that there will be a job for you at the end of it. Also to become a NP it costs close to $45000 (without books and cost of living included).

So please, tell me again how we are fragile little snowflakes because just to exist in this world when you were born after 1985 takes a lot of fucking balls and mental exhaustion that people like tyou have never and will never experience.

https://www.vox.com/2017/12/20/16772670/baby-boomers-millennials-congress-debt

Well, I spent yesterday morning arguing a 2 hour custody motion before a nasty judge, with a sneaky opposing counsel and a client who liked to scream at me whenever the judge retired to his chambers and with a packed courtroom watching me. But I'm just glad I didn't experience the stress level that you do sitting through a university lecture.

What do you think you're career as a nurse is going to be like, if you can't handle stress as a student?

 

[JaimeWolf]

Again, I don't know you, but if you were suffering all these breakdowns while you were at school as you stated, the brutal truth is, you simply were not cut out for it. Do something else that doesn't require you to go to university. There's plenty of opportunity out there for anyone with some initiative.

She is doing something else and getting $300 an hour

 

[sempel]

Everything in life can be stressful. High school was stressful, especially the last year when grades needed to be as high as possible for entrance to university. University was stressful - always seemed like there was never enough time to finish the work and assignments and study everything required. Jobs are stressful. Families are stressful. Traffic is stressful. Life in general is stressful.

Does something like a "cry closet" need to exist? Perhaps. But there are tons of places (bathrooms, empty rooms, your own room, etc.) where you can go and cry one out if you need to.