CNN - More bad news for Biden: More Americans are blaming him for the state of the economy

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That's the propaganda I'm talking about. The idea that the President has more control over the economy than they really do is useful to both parties as a story and also to the news media because it lets them just write lazy stories about how the President is doing. Real reporting is hard and boring and they don't like to do it. It will take years to unspin that.
You're being much too kind to Team Biden.

It was Biden who said last July that "no serious economist" believed "unchecked inflation" was on the way.

"There’s nobody suggesting there’s unchecked inflation on the way — no serious economist."


A few months later, his chief of staff called inflation and supply chain issues "high class problems."


Team Biden ignored warnings from Larry Summers and others that the administration was pumping too much money into an economy that was already on the rebound as lockdown measures were lifted. Indeed, they went so far as to peddle the nutty idea that trillions more in spending was the way to fight inflation. 😲

Finally, when it became clear inflation wasn't "transitory" and the administration's actions had contributed to the problem, they tried to spin the whole thing as the "Putin Price Hike."

Biden has his fingerprints all over the issue and his administration's response has been a disaster.
 
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Valcazar

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You're being much too kind to Team Biden.
That Biden messaged it wrong isn't something I am going to argue.
That's different from "he is responsible for the bad economy" which is a much more complicated and nuanced question.

Team Biden ignored warnings from Larry Summers and others that the administration was pumping too much money into an economy that was already on the rebound as lockdown measures were lifted.
Ignoring Larry Summers is the right thing to do.

Finally, when it became clear inflation wasn't "transitory" and the administration's actions had contributed to the problem, they tried to spin the whole thing as the "Putin Price Hike."

Biden has his fingerprints all over the issue and his administration's response has been a disaster.
The media will always lay every aspect of the economy at the President's feet.
Even more so when they get to blame Democrats.
That the reality is more complicated is still true.
 

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That the reality is more complicated is still true.
What is also still true is it would have been smarter to focus on policies that stimulate economic growth rather than policies that are harmful.

His energy policies are an obvious example. Biden's so-called Green New Deal aligns with the progressive thinkers who want to see "degrowth" in the West - or what in plain English is known as economic contraction.


And then there was Build Back Better.

Biden's claim that Build Back Better was designed to fight inflation was total B.S. And everyone knew it was total B.S.

Even worse, he devoted much of last year trying to get BBB passed when it should have been obvious (knowing what we know now about the behind-the-scenes discussions) that it was never going to happen.

Biden's responses to skyrocketing prices and the struggling economy have been dismissive, dishonest and/or destructive.

The resulting collapse in his polling numbers shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
 
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Valcazar

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What is also still true is it would have been smarter to focus on policies that stimulate economic growth rather than policies that are harmful.

His energy policies are an obvious example. Biden's so-called Green New Deal aligns with the progressive thinkers who want to see "degrowth" in the West - or what in plain English is known as economic contraction.


And then there was Build Back Better.

Biden's claim that Build Back Better was designed to fight inflation was total B.S. And everyone knew it was total B.S.

Even worse, he devoted much of last year trying to get BBB passed when it should have been obvious (knowing what we know now about the behind-the-scenes discussions) that it was never going to happen.

Biden's responses to skyrocketing prices and the struggling economy have been dismissive, dishonest and/or destructive.

The resulting collapse in his polling numbers shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
You are entitled to your opinion.
 

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That Biden messaged it wrong isn't something I am going to argue.
That's different from "he is responsible for the bad economy" which is a much more complicated and nuanced question.



Ignoring Larry Summers is the right thing to do.



The media will always lay every aspect of the economy at the President's feet.
Even more so when they get to blame Democrats.
That the reality is more complicated is still true.
Wasn't the same thing done to Trump? The buck stops with the President on everything, like it or not. It's part of the job. Biden didn't help himself by guaranteeing that he would get rid of COVID and that inflation was temporary. I disagree with your statement about the media loving to blame Democrats. They love to blame Republicans more. Their ratings have tanked since they can't blame Trump anymore. They still try whenever they can.
 

Valcazar

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Wasn't the same thing done to Trump? The buck stops with the President on everything, like it or not. It's part of the job.
Yes, I agree.
The credit and blame for the economy going to the President even when they are not that important a factor is the propaganda I am talking about.
It is what it is. I would like it to change, but it serves the purposes of the Presidential candidates and the press and it isn't likely to change anytime soon.

Biden didn't help himself by guaranteeing that he would get rid of COVID and that inflation was temporary.
He should have realized that the GOP was willing to do its best to make COVID worse in order to give him a political "loss" on the issue.
That Biden thought the GOP wasn't willing to kill people for power was a mistake.

I disagree with your statement about the media loving to blame Democrats. They love to blame Republicans more. Their ratings have tanked since they can't blame Trump anymore. They still try whenever they can.
The MSM is mostly pro-Republican.
They are just limited by their need to not go full-on propaganda machine and abandon all connection to the truth, and so do have to report things sometimes.
 

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Yes, I agree.
The credit and blame for the economy going to the President even when they are not that important a factor is the propaganda I am talking about.
It is what it is. I would like it to change, but it serves the purposes of the Presidential candidates and the press and it isn't likely to change anytime soon.



He should have realized that the GOP was willing to do its best to make COVID worse in order to give him a political "loss" on the issue.
That Biden thought the GOP wasn't willing to kill people for power was a mistake.



The MSM is mostly pro-Republican.
They are just limited by their need to not go full-on propaganda machine and abandon all connection to the truth, and so do have to report things sometimes.
I really don't understand how you believe that most MSM is pro-Republican. Just take the border issue. It's never been worse then it is now and yet we rarely here about it because the Dems are in power. When Trump was in power, they had reporters at the border complaining about how the migrants were being treated and kids in cages. Now they are called "pods" instead of cages. Fox is pro Republican. Every other MSM source is pro Democrat.
 
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Valcazar

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I really don't understand how you believe that most MSM is pro-Republican.
Because I pay attention.
Most of their pathology is actually driven by other constraints than partisanship.
But the result is a solidly pro-Republican framing.

Now, that has started to shift lately, as the GOP embraces more and more radicalism to the point where the MSM gets uncomfortable covering for them.
But it is still pretty tilted.
 

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Because I pay attention.
Most of their pathology is actually driven by other constraints than partisanship.
But the result is a solidly pro-Republican framing.

Now, that has started to shift lately, as the GOP embraces more and more radicalism to the point where the MSM gets uncomfortable covering for them.
But it is still pretty tilted.
I really disagree with you. Trump was much more scrutinized and criticized than Biden. It's not even close. Can you give me examples of Pro- Republican framing other than from FOX? I gave you a great example regarding the border crisis where Trump was criticized daily on it and under Biden it's worse and the media is quiet. I wonder Why?
 

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Wow. I'm rarely speechless but this conclusion is genuinely astonishing.
There's no point talking about a matter of culture with someone whose observations are that distorted. It's right up there with offering the observation that there is no lewd behaviour that happens at a pride parade!
 

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Wow. I'm rarely speechless but this conclusion is genuinely astonishing.
He is equating what is a pro business/corporate/globalism/pro war/neo liberalism slant to pro republican.

What he won't admit is the leadership of both parties are essentially in the grift together, both taking money from the same people, as well as their own corporate sponsors, both support the military/industrial complex, and the media, owned by the same ones paying the lobbyists, put pressure on all of them for the govt contracts to go their way.

Its "right wing" so its all GOP. But the Dems are just as right wing on govt contracts. Its where the donation cash is.

The culture wars are the distraction. The real war should be classist. But the media are now a part of that class.
 

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I really disagree with you. Trump was much more scrutinized and criticized than Biden. It's not even close. Can you give me examples of Pro- Republican framing other than from FOX? I gave you a great example regarding the border crisis where Trump was criticized daily on it and under Biden it's worse and the media is quiet. I wonder Why?
Rupert Murdoch spends billions 'scrutinizing' dems. His billions fund disinformation.

rump was in the press constantly because almost everything he said and did was a scandal, the constant lying, fraud, sexual assaults, racism.....
Bide is safe and boring which doesn't make the news cuz its boring.
 
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