CNN:..A look at the religious Right

[onthebottom]

Yeah, the extreme in both parties get so much of the attention, for the same reason you never hear – house did not burn tonight – on the evening news. It was interesting watching Clinton reform welfare and sexually harass a member of his staff, the left sat quietly and let it happen because it was one of their own party doing it. Imagine the fun the left would have if Bush had an affair with a young intern or limited welfare benefits – there would be pandemonium.

I think Reagan did a good job of vilifying government as a solution to people’s problems (even if you disagreed with him you had to give him credit for effectiveness). Every new program or expansion of an existing program gets tested against this perspective.

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[Peeping Tom]

I recall the shame of having a sex offender as President.

 

[happygrump]

So, you support "values" resulting in the theft of property?

I'm not sure how you made that leap. But if you mean something like a state-governed organization, like the police, confiscating things like drug labs, then yea, I'm all for it.

In the US there is this thing called the Constitution. The second ammendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms.

The second amendment reads as follows:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Remember, this was written during the War of Independence, when "the people" were "the militia." Hence, ordinary folk, like farmers and business people and blacksmiths and so forth, kept firearms in their homes because there was no regular army to protect the country from insurrection or invasion.

Now, however, there most definitely IS a standing army, thereby making this part of the constitution completely invalid.

Invalidating parts of the constitution is not without precedent. There were no fewer than six amendments made between 1868 and 1964 relating with just one issue: voter rights.

In September 1787, the Constitution provided that a male slave would count as 3/5ths of a man in determining representation. Clearly, that's abhorrent and was rightly repealed. And it wasn't until 1870 when the 15th amendment guaranteed the right to vote regardless of race, colour, religious background or previous servitude.

So, it's clear that the US Constitution was, and is, meant to be a document that is flexible to the social constructs of the day. The second amendment has far outlived it's usefulness, and IMHO it's time it was repealed.

It won't be, of course, because the NRA is a powerful political force.

 

[langeweile]

If your confusing the puritan social conservatives view on what Clinton did to reality you might and I mean might conclude he was a sex offender. The truth is that after 70 million dollar inquiry into all sorts of criminal complaints including murder (forgot about Vince Foster did ya) the best this money could buy for a conviction was that they nailed a married guy in telling a lie about BBBJTC. Thats all they got him on, but to hear the Rs talk about you would think he was doing altar boys. BTW were you aware that while Clinton was being impeached that a R congressman was arrested for raping the baby sitter.

As for shame, what about that wonderful asshat Tom Delay - it is well known that if it ain't nailed down it will be in Delay's pocket. I would give Delay the benifit of the doubt if this was the first time but this asshats has racked up a record number of ethic violations. How many ethics complaints will the puritan social conservatives put up with when it's one of their own.



bbk

This going to hurt me, but i have to say it....you are right on in this case!*GULP*
The only thing I would like to point out is, that he lied under oath. Personaly i could care less what he does in his private life, but he is the POTUS and should consider this in all his actions. The guy is on public display and under the microscope he should be aware of his actions.
My guess is that if he would have come out and admitted his indiscretions in the beginning, a lot of the BS following could have been avoided.

The issues surrounding Delay are just terrible.Whoever made that decision should be ashamed of himself.
This is going to cost a lot of credibilty, if this will be remebered in 2 years from now.

 

[onthebottom]

Most of us who work in the real world know (especially those of us who manage people and are in positions of some authority) that what President Clinton did with Monica was sexual harassment. In any of our positions we would be fired for such behavior with a subordinate. That is what I meant by Sexually Harassment. His other affairs and his affection for fat ankle women is an issue for Billary and Slick Willy to work out on their own.

You will remember that my original point was that had Clinton been a Republican women would have been marching in the streets yelling “sexual harassment� but because he was one of their own (at least those women who tend to protest), it didn’t happen.

And bbking, they got Capone for tax evasion, don’t confuse that for his only crime – just the one they were able to prove.

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[danmand]

If I was an american, I would prefer a president who got the occasional blowjob by Monica, over a president who sits in prayer meetings with Condi.
But that is just me.

 

[langeweile]

This issue is not about having sex..it is about lying under oath.
The mind twisters on the left are trying to rewrite history again.

Let it go IT IS NOT ABOUT A BBJTC it is about lying under oath.

 

[danmand]

Yeah, yeah.............. and lying about a blowjob is much worse than lying about WMD and relations between Saddam and Bin Laden.

I think you should let go of this blowjob that happened 8 years ago.

 

[papasmerf]

Yeah, yeah.............. and lying about a blowjob is much worse than lying about WMD and relations between Saddam and Bin Laden.

I think you should let go of this blowjob that happened 8 years ago.

Yea but most of us appreciate a blow job

Was the man we did not like

 

[langeweile]

Yeah, yeah.............. and lying about a blowjob is much worse than lying about WMD and relations between Saddam and Bin Laden.

I think you should let go of this blowjob that happened 8 years ago.

It is not about lying over a blowjob, get it in to your skull. I could care less who blows who.

IT IS ABOUT LYING UNDER OATH IN FRONT OF A COURT

 

[danmand]

But You agreed that it should end up in front of a court (or inquiry).
The whole spectacle was idiotic, at the time when OBL were attacking. Why were the good guys not concentrating on the terrorists then?

 

[onthebottom]

bbking,

And when the story broke she was shuffled off to the Pentagon (where she meet that monster Tripp). I would say that the POTUS used his authority to gain sex ("because I could") and then punished the person because of it.

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[onthebottom]

But You agreed that it should end up in front of a court (or inquiry).
The whole spectacle was idiotic, at the time when OBL were attacking. Why were the good guys not concentrating on the terrorists then?

Yeah, the only time Clinton focused on OBL is when the Monica thing hit the news (Wag the Dog time).

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[danmand]

Because OBL was more of an annoying fly then - that all changed when the fly turnout to be a multi ton jet aircraft and instead of killing a few, killing 3000. 9/11 was a good attention getter.
bbk

Yeah, to get Saddam Hussein.

 

[Peace4u]

It is not about lying over a blowjob, get it in to your skull. I could care less who blows who.

IT IS ABOUT LYING UNDER OATH IN FRONT OF A COURT

No it was about a zealous vast right wing group of nut cases who hated President Clinton.Thats the truth.

 

[Peace4u]

I recall the shame of having a sex offender as President.

Your a good one to judge,check out your past.........

 

[Peeping Tom]

Firstly: I'm not President

Second: I peep through windows

Third: try putting some content

Your a good one to judge,check out your past.........

 

[Peeping Tom]

Perjury is an indictable offense and punishable by law. In the language of the left, he was a bald faced liar and in front of a judge at that. Good thing the ABA pulled his working papers; he'll never chase another ambulance. He was a lousy President and dangerous sex offender.

No it was about a zealous vast right wing group of nut cases who hated President Clinton.Thats the truth.

 

[langeweile]

No it was about a zealous vast right wing group of nut cases who hated President Clinton.Thats the truth.

WOW this is what happens when you read too much leftwing media. The truth according to who??

 

[Peace4u]

Perjury is an indictable offense and punishable by law. In the language of the left, he was a bald faced liar and in front of a judge at that. Good thing the ABA pulled his working papers; he'll never chase another ambulance. He was a lousy President and dangerous sex offender.

And your just spewing out lies,you are more of a sex offender than Clinton.