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JohnLarue

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so as frankfooter states 3 years of La Nina have ended and we are moving into what could be a super El Nino.
so climate is not controlled by 0.04% CO2
cancel the latest climate emergency & let children know they gave been intentionally deceived
 

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so as frankfooter states 3 years of La Nina have ended and we are moving into what could be a super El Nino.
so climate is not controlled by 0.04% CO2
cancel the latest climate emergency & let children know they gave been intentionally deceived
So, the climate is controlled by some Spanish words, now? I long for the days when we used to ignore those charlatans and worked on solving actual problems like real air pollution or industrial discharges polluting waters.
 
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I don't think even the dumbest conservatives try to argue that greenhouse gases are good for the environment. If they do tell them to go suck on an exhaust pipe for a few minutes and see what happens
 
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so as frankfooter states 3 years of La Nina have ended and we are moving into what could be a super El Nino.
so climate is not controlled by 0.04% CO2
cancel the latest climate emergency & let children know they gave been intentionally deceived
You really shouldn't be in this conversation if you can't understand the basics.
Learn to differentiate between ENSO effects and global temperature.
Do some basic research.

So, the climate is controlled by some Spanish words, now? I long for the days when we used to ignore those charlatans and worked on solving actual problems like real air pollution or industrial discharges polluting waters.
I long for the days when right wingers didn't troll the boards trying to prove how idiotic they are.
You should understand what an El Nino is, how its different from a La Nina and what those do to the global temperature and global rainfall/wind patterns.
But you won't, you'll just troll.
 

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I don't think even the dumbest conservatives try to argue that greenhouse gases are good for the environment. If they do tell them to go suck on an exhaust pipe for a few minutes and see what happens
I'm sure they'll tell you microscopic particles and trace gases can't harm you.
 

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You really shouldn't be in this conversation if you can't understand the basics.
Learn to differentiate between ENSO effects and global temperature.
Do some basic research.



I long for the days when right wingers didn't troll the boards trying to prove how idiotic they are.
You should understand what an El Nino is, how its different from a La Nina and what those do to the global temperature and global rainfall/wind patterns.
But you won't, you'll just troll.
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Yawn. It's enough for me that you understand the complexities of the climate, that led you up this blind alley....where a trace gas, whitout which life on the planet couldn't exist, was declared a pollutant.
 

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Yawn. It's enough for me that you understand the complexities of the climate, that led you up this blind alley....where a trace gas, whitout which life on the planet couldn't exist, was declared a pollutant.
That's such a stupid argument.

800 ppm of alcohol in your blood and your license is gone.
Take an aspirin or advil, that's 3ppm.
The limit for arsenic is 0.1ppm.

Or, because that's all probably too hard for you to understand, try this simple picture of differing levels of trace amounts of ink in water.
Tell me it makes no difference.

Even an idiot should be able to understand this.

 

jcpro

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That's such a stupid argument.

800 ppm of alcohol in your blood and your license is gone.
Take an aspirin or advil, that's 3ppm.
The limit for arsenic is 0.1ppm.

Or, because that's all probably too hard for you to understand, try this simple picture of differing levels of trace amounts of ink in water.
Tell me it makes no difference.

Even an idiot should be able to understand this.

Now, all you have to explain to make me a convert, is how it was possible for the planet to thrive when the concentration of carbon in the atmosphere was much higher in the past. Should be a snap for an expert such as yourself.
 

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I don't think even the dumbest conservatives try to argue that greenhouse gases are good for the environment. If they do tell them to go suck on an exhaust pipe for a few minutes and see what happens
Dumb conservatives and smart liberals alike do understand
the yucky stuff emitted from an exhaust pipe while they are
driving their gas guzzlers is innocuous. OTOH both should
understand it is detrimental to their health to crawl under a
car to inhale the exhaust gas produced by a running engine.
I doubt you would worry about impact of greenhouse gas
on the environment more than dumb conservatives when
you are driving.

When it comes to climate change conservative political
leaders differ from their liberal peers mainly in their ambition
in setting the emission reduction target. Conservatives tend
to be less aggressive. Liberals are bold enough to make promise
of drastic reduction like 50% in a decade and zero emission 3
decades into the future. They are all liars but the climate lies
of the liberals are more trusted by climate sheeple.
 

Frankfooter

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Now, all you have to explain to make me a convert, is how it was possible for the planet to thrive when the concentration of carbon in the atmosphere was much higher in the past. Should be a snap for an expert such as yourself.
I hadn't pegged you for a high school dropout, but ok.


The planet survives fine during a thermal maximum, like the PETM 55 million years ago. Its just all living things that suffer mass dieoffs.
 

JohnLarue

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800 ppm of alcohol in your blood and your license is gone.
A chemical affect, with a legal effect layer on top
Take an aspirin or advil, that's 3ppm.
A chemical affect

The limit for arsenic is 0.1ppm.
A chemical affect

first lesson in grade school science class

do not compare a physical effect (absorption of IR radiation - no bonds are created or broken ) to a chemical effect (arsenic poisoning - chemical bonds are created or broken)

Chemical effects determine chemical structure
chemical structure determines physical properties
physical properties determine physical effects



Or, because that's all probably too hard for you to understand, try this simple picture of differing levels of trace amounts of ink in water.
Tell me it makes no difference.
ink dissolves in water via hydrogen bonding - a chemical effect - weak bonding, however still a chemical effect
trace amounts of ink in water do not raise the temperature of the water to any measurable extent

Even an idiot should be able to understand this.
Apparently there is a least one idiot who failed grade school science
what grade did you fail out of science class frankfooter ?


there is no way in hell 0.04% of a trace gas can heat up the atmosphere, the oceans & the land mass to any measurable extent
the heat capacity of water is 4 X that of air
the mass of the oceans is 270 times that of the atmosphere

Even an idiot should be able to understand this, but sadly idiots do not & ignorantly try to fake their way through science
 

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A chemical affect, with a egal effect layer on top

A chemical affect


A chemical affect

first lesson in grade school science class

do not compare a physical effect (absorption of IR radiation - no bonds are created or broken ) to a chemical effect (arsenic poisoning - chemical bonds are created or broken)

Chemical effects determine chemical structure
chemical structure determines physical properties
physical properties determine physical




ink dissolves in water via hydrogen bonding - a chemical effect - weak bonding, however still a chemical effect
trace amounts of ink in water do not raise the temperature of the water to any measurable extent



Apparently there is a least one idiot who failed grade school science
what grade did you fail out of science class frankfooter ?


there is no way in hell 0.04% of a trace gas can heat up the atmosphere, the oceans & the land mass to any measurable extent
the heat capacity of water is 4 X that of air
the mass of the oceans is 270 times that of the atmosphere

Even an idiot should be able to understand this, but sadly idiots do not & ignorantly try to fake their way through science
Hey larue, is CO2 a chemical?
Are you really trying to argue that you can't have chemical reactions with gases?
That's amazingly stupid.

By the way, you have to a total science idiot to claim that the greenhouse effect isn't real.
Even the most strident science deniers usually don't go that far.
 

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LOL!!! When the dinosaurs roamed the earth, the atmospheric CO2 was 5x what it is today.
Fairly close!

CO2 levels varied between 600-1500ppm, IIRC, during the jurassic era.
But there were palm trees in the arctic too, which kinda just makes my point, not yours.
Also followed by a mass extinction.
 

jcpro

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Fairly close!

CO2 levels varied between 600-1500ppm, IIRC, during the jurassic era.
But there were palm trees in the arctic too, which kinda just makes my point, not yours.
Also followed by a mass extinction.
I'm going to leave your post as is, unanswered; why should I, alone, have are the laughter? ROTFLMFAO!!!
 

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That's why we no longer have smogg days in Toronto. The burn efficiency of the modern engines, even the largest diesels, is quite incredible.
Don't forget we stopped burning coal for power. Nanticoke was a significant cause of smog days.
 

JohnLarue

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Hey larue, is CO2 a chemical?
Are you really trying to argue that you can't have chemical reactions with gases?
That's amazingly stupid.

By the way, you have to a total science idiot to claim that the greenhouse effect isn't real.
Even the most strident science deniers usually don't go that far.
absorption of infrared radiation by organic molecules is a physical effect
you are still very confused about this
no surprise -given your failure of grade school science class
what grade did you drop out of school to join the union ? grade 8 or grade 9 ?

Chemical effects (including chemical reactions) determine chemical structure
chemical structure determines physical properties
physical properties determine physical effects

watching you try to fake your way through scientific principles is like watching a turtle which has been flipped over onto its back
it is comical and amusing for a little while, then it just becomes ridiculous and cruel

it is brutally obvious you do not have the first loose clue about atmospheric physics or science in general
why try to fake what you do not understand ?
it must be your pathological need to mislead others
 
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JohnLarue

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I'm going to leave your post as is, unanswered; why should I, alone, have are the laughter? ROTFLMFAO!!!
watching frankfooter try to fake his way through scientific principles is like watching a turtle which has been flipped over onto its back
it is comical and amusing for a little while, then it just becomes ridiculous and cruel

the turtle is innocent & can not be blamed for how he is built
intentionally trying to mislead others is a whole different level of despicable behavior
 

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absorption of infrared radiation by organic molecules is a physical effect
you are still very confused about this
no surprise -given your failure of grade school science class
what grade did you drop out of school to join the union ? grade 8 or grade 9 ?

Chemical effects (including chemical reactions) determine chemical structure
chemical structure determines physical properties
physical properties determine physical effects

watching you try to fake your way through scientific principles is like watching a turtle which has been flipped over onto its back
it is comical and amusing for a little while, then it just becomes ridiculous and cruel

it is brutally obvious you do not have the first loose clue about atmospheric physics or science in general
why try to fake what you do not understand ?
it must be your pathological need to mislead others
Now you're arguing chemical reactions are impossible through heat, light or IR?
You're really doing well here, larue.
 
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