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Civil War: MAGA in Turmoil

richaceg

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Wow, your brain is mushier than trump's.

Public health care is agreed by the majority, same way you have to wear a seatbelt so the rest of us don't pay for the health from your brain damaging accident, we don't want to pay for the plague you want to cause because you're afraid of science.

And your total panic about trans people only reflects your total panic about how fragile your own masculinity and sexual orientation is, you are clearly afraid that you think some trans are hot.

You said you're an immigrant from an incompatible culture, some authoritarian state and now you want to impose that same fascist, authoritarianism on us.
Its not Muslims that are the problem, its fascist right wingers from incompatible cultures.
keep up with the insults...signs you have no argument. i'm sure you pander to trans but secretly hates them... tell me which muslim country Trans are safe to reveal themselves... Are trans safer in Israel or Iran?
 

jalimon

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It wasn't fascist for Biden to go after trump? his political enemy?
They didn't violate any due process to detainees
which court orders were n ot followed?
which war crimes did they commit? CNN MSNBC or any twitter rando saying it's war crimes doesn't mean it is fam...lol
Biden did not go after Trump. Justice did. As long as you do not get that, you should avoid posting anything political. You are not grown enough.
 

Frankfooter

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so now you can't deport people of color even if they enter illegaly? it's only ok to deport if they are white? lmao.
Yup, its fascist to drag people off the streets based on the colour of their skin or their accent and then declare them 'illegal' and deport them.
What happens, rich, when the right wingers expand their targets to the Jewish people, you gonna cheer for that too?


 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Would wanting anyone living in the U.S. illegally be deported be considered fascist?
Is wanting enforcement of the law fascist?
If done without due process, yes, it is fascist.
If done for ethno-cultural or religious reasons, yes, it is fascist.
The Trump administration is guilty of both of the above, not because I am interpreting their actions as such, but because they are infact saying/doing those things.
You can make an argument that Trump is racist. But the questions above get at the matter of actual immigration policy.
You might not support deportation and enforcing the law as strongly as someone else.
However, that is you entering into shades of gray and declaring you have the only correct answers. Everyone else who does not share your exact perspective on these questions must be racist.
You keep misusing the word "perspective" in an attempt to downplay fascist actions by the Trump government.
But that is not going to work for anyone outside your echo chamber.
These are not perspectives, but the objective reality of things in the US right now.
A policy of deporting people without due process is objectively fascist.
There are no shades of grey here.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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It wasn't fascist for Biden to go after trump? his political enemy?
They didn't violate any due process to detainees
which court orders were n ot followed?
which war crimes did they commit? CNN MSNBC or any twitter rando saying it's war crimes doesn't mean it is fam...lol
No, Trump was convicted of felonies, so he is infact guilty.
OTOH, Comey's case got thrown out. Hence, Trump's actions were fascist.
which court orders were n ot followed?
Many. Some below:
- Ignored judge’s order to return deportation flights.
- Delayed releasing frozen federal grants despite court order.
- Slow-walked court-ordered legal aid for migrant kids; one deported.
- Bypassed injunction blocking mass CFPB layoffs.
- Violated gag orders in his criminal cases.
which war crimes did they commit?
Killing survivors of a military strike is a war crime.
Not per CNN or MSNBC.
But per US and international law.
 

richaceg

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There is no evidence presented that they were infact narco terrorists.
they were investigated. and of course you won't see the evidence you want as it's going to be classified...woulld you request all the military operations under Obama and Biden and expect to have it on your desk by tomorrow?
 
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Frankfooter

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There is no evidence presented that they were infact narco terrorists.
There is no such thing as narco 'terrorists'.
they were investigated. and of course you won't see the evidence you want as it's going to be classified...woulld you request all the military operations under Obama and Biden and expect to have it on your desk by tomorrow?
There is no investigations, Hegsmeth just said 'kill them all'.
But you also think trump is the anti war president.

 
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silentkisser

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Immigration is a shit show. It's been a shit show that's been building and it hit a crescendo the last few years.

Now I don't know why you would repeat arguments that aren't based on facts on the ground. I have told you and others it's so easy to check information before you post it. This might reveal your real purpose is less than forthright.

So no, not everyone wants illegal immigrants who commit crimes deported out of the U.S. Don't ask me why. It would appear to be Red cities and states pandering to extreme views on immigration.

Per Google AI:
As of early December 2025, there are approximately
7,113 illegal immigrants with active U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detainers currently in the custody of New York state or local jurisdictions, meaning they are in local jails or state prisons for other criminal charges.

Key Details
  • Number in Custody: Over 7,000 illegal immigrants with active ICE detainers are currently being held in New York jails and prisons on various criminal charges.
  • Crimes Alleged: According to data from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and ICE, these individuals are associated with a wide range of serious offenses, including 148 homicides, 717 assaults, 152 weapons offenses, and 260 sexual predatory offenses.
  • Sanctuary Policies: New York's sanctuary policies generally prohibit local law enforcement and jails from holding individuals solely on the basis of a civil immigration detainer without a judicial warrant. This has led to tension between federal and state/local authorities.
  • Released Individuals: Since January 20, 2025, New York jurisdictions have released nearly 7,000 other criminal illegal immigrants back into the community who had active ICE detainers, rather than transferring them to federal custody upon their release from local charges. The crimes associated with this group included 29 homicides and numerous other violent felonies.
  • Federal Action: ICE has called on New York authorities, including Attorney General Letitia James, to honor their detainer requests to ensure that these individuals are transferred to federal custody for potential deportation proceedings rather than being released onto the streets.
This does not disprove my comment. However, it does illustrate an issue between states and the federal government. Keep in mind, the GOP loves to trump up the importance of states rights when it comes to things they care about, like abortion. But, when it comes to whether a state should help ICE, they are certainly pro-federalism.

So, looking at the New York stuff, that is basically an issue that New York does not have mandatory holds for undocumented people. Which means unless the ICE folks have a judicial warrant, the state has no need to hold them. Is this good or bad, I'm not sure. But, the reality is that if a New York judge felt that they were deserving to be freed on bail, so be it. That does not mean the state of New York wants violent offenders (documented or not) roaming the streets. But, it is a recognition that the bail system could be broken (i.e., the judges are more willing to grant peace bonds or bail to avoid the crazy over crowding at places like Riker's Island, where some poor bastard spent nearly two years waiting for his case to be heard for allegedly shop lifting a back pack).

It should also be pointed out that the ICE requests are civil immigration detainers, not signed by a judge. Has New York state made mistakes? Probably.

But, my point here, with facts for your pleasure, is that the vast majority of people caught by ICE now are not violent criminals:

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Now, ICE, because they've been given the greenlight to racially profile people, has detained at least 170 American citizens.


That is pretty fucked up. How close were they to deporting someone?
 
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