Citizenship and Language Requirements

[themexi]

Considering that waaay too many "citizens" who are of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th Generation have neither the language nor the life skills to be accepted under current immigration laws..... bit unfair to immigrants.... but necessary.

See we already have our fair share of ignorant, barely able to communicate & read peasants being Born here. We don't need to import people wit any disadvantages or obstacles to their being productive.

If we as a society were willing to thin the herd (no matter what their origins) every year to make room & free up resources for productive people I'd be all for letting more people in with lesser qualifications.... If they don't make it & have to leave or starve.

If my neighborhood was full of productive Indians, Chinese, Eastern Euros & Mexicans who actually raise their kids & have family values that I could communicate with, relate to & be productive with it would be Heaven compared to sharing air with ignorant, white trash, ebonics speaking welfare breeders pumping out bastard after bastard that will likely rob me in my old age.

In short all civilized, employed people I can communicate with are welcome. Please have them move here & improve the neighborhood.

 

[onthebottom]

Sounds like you're suggesting a melting pot approach rather than a multi-cultural solution....

OTB

 

[themexi]

Sounds like you're suggesting a melting pot approach rather than a multi-cultural solution....

OTB

Sort of.... But not really..... I truly beleive that almost every place people can come from has basic values compatible with our own.. A decent family or person can come from any race, religion & origin.

However, just like decency is universal.... so are the subhuman classes. The biggest failure of multiculturalism is the failure to recognize the difference between high culture & low culture.

Take Jamaica for example: My buddy Stan. From an upper middle class family that owned a fair amount of land & a couple companies. He was the youngest, so he moved here to go to Uni & make is way. Awesome cook. Beautiful wife & has 3 kids now. All kids are by his wife. Owns a business. He is proud of his roots & I'm proud to have earned his friendship.

He HATES what most people would assume is the "average, stereotypical" Jamaican. The man actually suggested getting rid of Caribbana because it attracts "the shit people". As a note, Stan is black, so that quote is him referring to the content of some people's character.

He explained to me that the Gangsta bastards that cause all the problems & poot out the bastard children are the equivalent of the lowest of trailer & welfare trash in his country & he is downright Offended that they actually got accepted to live here. Seriously, he won't even TALK with the "backwards". He says that to their faces sometimes. Luckily Stan is fucking HUGE.

My friend Hassan From Pakistan HATESHATESHATES! The "hillbillies" that do things like "honor killings". He says its the same thing as Christian fundies blowing up abortion clinics & beating the Gays. Yes there's some scriptural stuff that can be found to back up suck fucktardery, but only the low class, uneducated sub people of any religion would act on it.

I have friends from a couple foreign countries & they all say similar things..... Their "fellows" low peasant behavior annoy them just as much as it does us (MORE since it makes them look bad).




I imagine how I would feel moving to Russia & having everyone lump me in the same "Culture" as some Scarlem welfare ho that produced all of her misbehaved crotch droppings via pulling a train with the local gang just because we both happen to be Canadian. Fuck. That.

If the Russian government passed laws that I had to be accepted despite my nationality because they had to respect my "culture" when addressing issues the average Russian had to bear whilst suffering the presence of that filthy creature & er brood I would be pissed off too.






Most of what we are demanded to swallow as "cultural differences" from immigrants is simply the foreign versions of good old domestic RUDENESS & Lack of CLASS. We don't need a melting pot where people lose their culture. I believe the Canadian culture can encompass any god, any story, food or whatever.... Our Identity has always been one of GOOD CHARACTER. The only people that can ruin that are Low Class Shit people, whatever their origins.




Too bad our governments want grateful votes more than decent citizens. More could be done to filter out the human waste that comes in..... Maybe if we had a zero tolerance for garbage in.... We could take a long hard look at our own "citizens" & start throwing the garbage out too.

 

[Kailani]

I have one neighbor, a lady in mid 40's Chinese decent and does not speak peep of English. Her teenage son (who was born here) said to me she has been here since she was 18 and she is Canadian. It makes me wonder... wonder... wonder...

Are government screwed up for giving citizenship to her or are we not liberal enough to accept her as a Canadian citizen?

 

[Don]

I have one neighbor, a lady in mid 40's Chinese decent and does not speak peep of English. Her teenage son (who was born here) said to me she has been here since she was 18 and she is Canadian. It makes me wonder... wonder... wonder...

How is that possible? Usually the people who have been here a long time but still can't speak English are elderly who came here at a much advanced age (like someone who is like 65 years and came to Canada when he/she was 50). Those people are usually too set in their ways. But someone who came when they were 18? Unless they had absolutely NO interest in picking up the language (or local culture), did not go to college and rarely left their little ethnic enclave.

 

[themexi]

How is that possible? Usually the people who have been here a long time but still can't speak English are elderly who came here at a much advanced age (like someone who is like 65 years and came to Canada when he/she was 50). Those people are usually too set in their ways. But someone who came when they were 18? Unless they had absolutely NO interest in picking up the language (or local culture), did not go to college and rarely left their little ethnic enclave.

Even ladies like this don't bother me....

So long as I am not put out personally by her lack of English.

AND

So long as she does not have to rely on taxpayer funded services to compensate. If her family/friends do all the translation financial support stuff for her and she contributes positively to her family & community, then somewhere down the line I'm sure she makes Canada a better place. All good things start in the home after all.....

 

[Don]

I don't care where they are from or what they can (or can't) speak as long as they are decent tax paying human beings who keep out of trouble and obey the laws.

I'm just wondering how it is possible for someone to move somewhere in their teens and grow up somewhere like Canada without picking up the local language at all.

 

[themexi]

I don't care where they are from or what they can (or can't) speak as long as they are decent tax paying human beings who keep out of trouble and obey the laws.

I'm just wondering how it is possible for someone to move somewhere in their teens and grow up somewhere like Canada without picking up the local language at all.

Depends... doable though.

If the above lady came here at 18 & became a full citizen with SIN# & everything she could marry Someone who speaks her language, work somewhere that speaks her language, have family or friends translate when necessary (like tax forms, etc) Raise kids to be bilingual..... All doable & not only harmless, but possibly useful. Bilingualism is always something to be encouraged, but se may make her closest people maintain their other language better by leaving them no room to "cheat"...

One of my great aunts lived here for 30 years & only spoke a few things in English. She lived in a mostly Italian area & she got by just fine.

 

[Don]

One of my great aunts lived here for 30 years & only spoke a few things in English. She lived in a mostly Italian area & she got by just fine.

Yeah but how old was she when she first came to Canada?

I know plenty of people who speak minimal English and have been in Canada for decades. But they are all old now and first came as a middle age adult (30+) at the youngest. Everyone I've met who came to Canada as a youth and have been here for any extended period of time speak some amount of English, even if they only stay in their community.

 

[slowandeasy]

OK guys, they're already required to pass a test on Canadian government and history in one of the official languages with 60%, what sort of test and passing percentage would you think appropriate?

Try not to set the bar so high as to exclude too many TERBards for bad English, and political ignorance.

OJ, those tests are a joke. I have a friend who knows almost no english, but passed that test with flying colors. I don't know what the solution is, but I know
what it isn't. It isn't 30 multiple choice questions.

My solution has always been mandatory english classes for every immigrant who cannot pass the grade 6 EQAO test.