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What will CIBC stock price be in CAN$ on March 14, 2008


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21pro said:
nope. but, smart decisions can always be made when there is blood in the streets. just make sure your decision is a smart one.

Not sure if was smart to jump in this early but today I added some BNS at $45.15 & $45.50 as well as MNF at $6.90. I already had plenty of BMO, RY & TD. My broker's advice for the next while was to stick with safer stocks that will pay a decent dividend while we wait this out. MNF now yields 8.6% so I doubled my position from last year when I paid a little over $10 for it and the yield was 6%. This is a recent fund that invests in infrastructure projects like transportation, utilites etc so it should hold through a recession. It had already been whacked once by our soaring dollar and now again in this sell off so I'm betting that it has reached bottom. If I'm wrong that dividend will cushion the blow.
 
great bear said:
When any Canadian bank is paying a dividend over 5% buy it.

I second that.

When interest rates are in decline, buy banks for two reasons. One, their net interest margins are expanding which will cushion the blow from any prior fuckups and Two, that dividend historically has grown and is currently higher than what you could get in the money markets. Compare: a higher yield that'll grow with a lower yield that won't. For my money I'll take the first option.

True, CIBC's got shit management, but which canadian company doesn't? Canadian companies are ruled by manipulative backstabbing mediocrities. Excellent management is the best poison pill against being taken over..notice all the takeovers in can. recently?
 
FOOTSNIFFER said:
I second that.

When interest rates are in decline, buy banks for two reasons. One, their net interest margins are expanding which will cushion the blow from any prior fuckups and Two, that dividend historically has grown and is currently higher than what you could get in the money markets. Compare: a higher yield that'll grow with a lower yield that won't. For my money I'll take the first option.

True, CIBC's got shit management, but which canadian company doesn't? Canadian companies are ruled by manipulative backstabbing mediocrities. Excellent management is the best poison pill against being taken over..notice all the takeovers in can. recently?

Yesterday afternoon I purchased BNS and TD both paying just under 5% div. Also bought BMO and CM both paying just over 5% div. All stocks are up today, but even if they take a dive the nice dividend makes for a good deal over the long haul plus the tax break on divs. Missed out on Cameco CCO by 2 cents. This one should be a winner as more nations go the uranium route to power hydro generators. But then what does a Bear know?
 
But if the stocks keep felling, those dividends get cut.

Citi-Bank cut theirs last week 41%.

Good news, my holdings went UP a 1/4 of a % today :eek: Here I thought I was going to get hit 10% or more on the down side.

Thats why I am not a day trader.
 
S.C. Joe said:
But if the stocks keep felling, those dividends get cut.

Citi-Bank cut theirs last week 41%.

Good news, my holdings went UP a 1/4 of a % today :eek: Here I thought I was going to get hit 10% or more on the down side.

Thats why I am not a day trader.

It's always possible that a Canadian bank would get into such dire straits that they'd be forced to cut their dividends but the odds are much less here than they are in the US. We've been through our share of market crashes and recessions but in recent memory, the only Cdn band that has cut its dividend was the National Bank. So none of the big boys have done it. I'll take those odds.

http://ctv2.theglobeandmail.com/ser...k17/business/Business/businessBN/ctv-business

..."Almost everyone in Canada owns bank stocks in one way or another, be it directly, through mutual funds or pension funds. The attraction: good share price gains over the years, but also a flow of dividends that has reliably risen over the years. When you consider the low tax rate on dividends, bank stocks have been one of the best ways around to generate income.

They still are, despite the current carnage in the stock markets and the financial sector in particular. Bank dividends have been cut before and they could be again, but the overall chances of this happening are low. For those who can tolerate bank stocks looking even worse in the days ahead, they may even be a buy right now.

Bill Procter, who manages a few billion dollars in dividend stocks for Mackenzie Financial's Maxxum family, says it's only normal that people would wonder about the dividends paid by Canadian banks. On Tuesday, Citigroup slashed its dividend 41 per cent while announcing a stunning $18-billion (U.S.) writedown as a result of bad mortgages and consumer loans. Washington Mutual, the biggest savings and loan in the United States, announced a 73-per-cent cut in its dividend late last year.

Mr. Procter said Canadian banks benefit from a much stronger housing market than in the United States, and a much lower default rate on mortgages. And what about Canadian bank dividends? "They're pretty low on the risk screen," he said. "It's a totally different situation here than in the United States."

And yet, Canadian bank stocks are experiencing their worst decline in roughly 10 years. Partly, this is because of negative sentiment toward financial stocks that has permeated the markets since the summer, when the rot in the U.S. subprime mortgage became apparent. But Canadian banks have some responsibility for their current problems, too.

Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce is taking a writedown of about $3.4-billion for its exposure to U.S. subprime loans, and it's shoring up its financial stability by selling $2.75-billion (Canadian) in new stock. Bank of Montreal has had big losses in commodity trading, while National Bank of Canada has been hit through its exposure to asset-backed commercial paper. That's a way of packaging consumer debt that has fallen into disrepute because of concern about the taint from bad U.S. mortgages.

If you want to assess the level of risk in a bank stock, check its dividend yield. BMO, National Bank and CIBC have had yields in the area of 5 per cent in recent days, which compares with a more typical range in the high 2- or low 3-per-cent range. Bank of Nova Scotia, Royal Bank of Canada and Toronto-Dominion Bank have seen their yields rise, too, but by lesser amounts that suggest investors aren't as worried about them.

High yields suggest there's concern about a dividend cut, which is a defensive measure that U.S. banks use more often than Canadian banks. Michael Goldberg, bank analyst for Desjardins Securities, said he could find only two modern instances of banks cutting their dividend and both involve National Bank (one in 1981, one in 1992)."
 
CIBC up 6%+ today $69.98 from low today of $64.75. Holy cow. 8% range today.
 
No kidding, this is when I wish I was a day trader...

Banks had a few good day, maybe they have hit the bottom.
 
S.C. Joe said:
No kidding, this is when I wish I was a day trader...

Banks had a few good day, maybe they have hit the bottom.

Canadian chartered banks are a different kettle of fish....they're collectively a protected monopoly. They're protected from competition by Parliament; the large international banks can't, and probably wouldn't want to. compete with them. They're as close to a sure thing as you can find in the stock market. They're a slam dunk when cheap, as the CIBC currently is.

And bare in mind that the source of the problems for that bank, its NYC operations, are GONE. Don't equate US banks with the ones up here...
 
When my radio alarm went off the other morning and I was only semi-awake, I heard "rogue trader cost bank $7B", I immediatley thought of CIBC. Thank goodness I was wrong. Then I read in the papers that TD and Royal won the Enron lawsuit that CIBC settled for $2.5B so managment could be free to concentrate on sub-prime mortgages. Query: Can CIBC sue Goldman Sacks for selling them that sub-prime crap?
 
What happen today with CIBC..Last few minutes the stock went up like 6% to over $73..No news? :cool:
 
IDK but it sure starting to look like a bottom may have happen. So many stocks were down this morning and rose during the day and closed much higher. Thats a very good sign-for those long in the market.

Heck Amazon open down 6 at $68 and closed I believe $78-it was 10 mins before closing time. Its a good sign when stocks go up when they should go down.

Im, up 20% in 2 weeks....too bad I need to go 30% more just to break even :o but for doing nothing but holding and hope my stocks come back I can't complain. My fault for not selling back in mid Oct.
 
S.C. Joe said:
IDK but it sure starting to look like a bottom may have happen.

BEAR TRAP! BEAR TRAP! Or, maybe not. Buy the Canadian banks on dips, hold on, collect the dividends and watch the stock appreciate. Even CIBC shareholders do ok over time.
 
Well, March 14 is fast approaching. Looks like Terbies are correct. CIBC is about $62 right now. The majority indicated this range in the poll. WTG.
 
It was a bear trap!!
 
End of Pol March 14

CIBC closed today at $59.90..New low for a long time..
 
as for the US economy...

Nearly half a trillion dollars put into the system so far and it's still going down...

this is no tech bubble, no sector rotation... this is actually a red flag with possible (and i only mean possible) 1929 scenario... not a true comparison, but when real estate prices are pinched at the same time as a credit crunch it leaves people without money... and if it gets worse, the whole economy can come to a slow crawl...
 
I don't think that there was a Federal Reserve in 1929 and if there was one it did not unleash the power of the printing press. Yes, printing money causes inflation (down the road) and not raising taxes to fund the Iraq war raises inflation (down the road).