Chris Sky At It Again

[passingthru]

Smells like obfuscation and bullshit. These covid vaccines, including the mRNA ones, also produce an immune response that lowers the risk of infection. This is a basic fact represented in their efficacy numbers.

Covid-19 in Wales: A third of positive cases are unvaccinated

A third of Covid cases are among the unvaccinated, new Public Health Wales figures show.

www.bbc.com

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

Delta: Virus levels as high in vaccinated as in unvaccinated adults

A study shows that people vaccinated against coronavirus with the Delta variant had similar peak viral levels to those without vaccination.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

nothing in the data sets confirms that vaccine proliferation has reduced asymotomatic spread. Nothing in the data sets suggest that the vaccines are preventing infection.
What the data sets confirm is that WHEN (not if) you get Covid, you are less likely to develop severe complications.

if you’re unlucky enough toget Covid AND end up with severe complications; the likeliness of you dying is the same as if you were unvaccinated.

this is NOT denying the dangers of this virus. This is not implying that the vaccines aren’t working. This is reporting on the data that has been gathered so far.

too many people think that a jab in the arm is going to stop Covid. It won’t. Herd immunity will stop it, but for that to happen it first needs to become endemic.

 

[mandrill]

Covid-19 in Wales: A third of positive cases are unvaccinated

A third of Covid cases are among the unvaccinated, new Public Health Wales figures show.

www.bbc.com

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

Delta: Virus levels as high in vaccinated as in unvaccinated adults

A study shows that people vaccinated against coronavirus with the Delta variant had similar peak viral levels to those without vaccination.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

nothing in the data sets confirms that vaccine proliferation has reduced asymotomatic spread. Nothing in the data sets suggest that the vaccines are preventing infection.
What the data sets confirm is that WHEN (not if) you get Covid, you are less likely to develop severe complications.

if you’re unlucky enough toget Covid AND end up with severe complications; the likeliness of you dying is the same as if you were unvaccinated.

this is NOT denying the dangers of this virus. This is not implying that the vaccines aren’t working. This is reporting on the data that has been gathered so far.

too many people think that a jab in the arm is going to stop Covid. It won’t. Herd immunity will stop it, but for that to happen it first needs to become endemic.

The Welsh data is based on the AZ vaccine and indicates widespread efficacy of the vaccine. It's part of the report.

There are higher than expected fully vaxxed #'s for hospitalizations, but that's because the population of Britain is very heavily vaccinated.

If the vaccine kills the infection without the disease developing, then the person is infected for a shorter period of time and is therefore, infectious for a shorter period of time, So therefore - less infectious.

 

[squeezer]

Shithead grifter he is. Pretended as if his entourage busted through a vaccine mandate at a restaurant. He just left out the part that the owner of the restaurant is a fellow antivaxxer dumbass who I hope the City Of London charges, fines them and puts them out of business Skelly Style.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/london-restaurant-hosts-prominent-anti-vaccine-passport-activist-catching-the-attention-of-city-1.6190740

His new name should be Chris Horsetooth LMAO

Toronto anti-masker bro Chris Sky is trending again and people can't get over his teeth

Who is Chris Sky? Why is his name all over Toronto (nay, most of Ontario) this morning? Are those teeth, like... what's going on there? What's goin...

www.blogto.com

80% of eligible Canadians are vaxed and growing. They have lost the fight! Turn out the lights the fight is lost already. It's like 2 seconds left in a hockey game down 4-1 and pulling out the goalie. HAHAHAHA jackasses.

 

[squeezer]

as is, the province is potentially facing lawsuits over vaccine mandates amongst unionized workers as the provisions being enacted weren’t part of previous CBA.

Name one successful lawsuit won in Canada by the dumbasses proclaiming the Charter of Rights? Name one, during the lockdown and now during the vaccine campaign. Go ahead, I'll wait.

 

[squeezer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442495342742700039

 

[squeezer]

What is an ultinate victory? Is this the language of dumbass or some secret loon code??

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442549302950342660

 

[kyleb899]

Chris sky is just entiled attention seeker,

 

[silentkisser]

Contrary to those deceived by MSM smear campaign, Chris Sky is on the right side of history.

Forced vaccination across all industries, segregation and discrimination is NOT ok and that is what the message is.

We've had mandatory vaccines for decades. You can't send a kid to school without getting a bunch of vaccines. In many ways, vaccines are the price of admission to society. Not all vaccines work on all people, but if enough have the shot, diseases are not passed on. The anti-vaxx movement has seen a return of mumps and measles, things that were nearly eradicated. If these idiots were back in the 50s, we'd probably still have polio.

Chris Sky and all his followers were wrong back when they protested masks and lockdowns, they are wrong here. All their arguments against taking the vaccine are flawed, and it will result in a lot of them dying (or killing) people needlessly. They will table the virus to mutate into new variants. They're pushing this into a multi-year pandemic instead of something we could have had a handle on by now.

 

[silentkisser]

Also, I try not to watch this moron talk, but every time I do, I cannot help but look at his teeth. They are so weird. Did he take a puck to his mouth and lost all his chiclets? Don't they usually try to make replacement teeth that look, I don't know, natural?

The fact that he calls himself a "prolific" human rights person...I have no words...He is the most entitled idiot I have ever seen (and not because of his weird teeth).

 

[massman]

and this would be an exceptionally tough battle for the government to prove that encroaching on individual choice, for a marginal result is somehow justified. The vaccine does NOT change your probability of becoming infected with COVID during an exposure event. The vaccine does NOT change your ability to spread COVID should you become infected. The vaccine does not prevent symptomatic infection.
the vaccine DOES reduce likeliness of severe complications of infection by a factor of 70-90% depending on an individual’s risk factors.

utilizing section 33 would require the government to prove that a vaccine mandate in violation of one’s freedom to choose mitigates the risk to the INDIVIDUAL sufficiently to impose such regulations on the masses.

even the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal’s ruling on Friday is carefully worded. They don’t make a specific ruling on the lawfulness of current COVID regulations, and rather use language such as “pandemic” or “infectious disease”. Bare in mind that to meet the legal standard definition of pandemic, the condition must “affect a large proportion of the population”.

We’re still below 4% of the province who has been infected; and we’re 18 months on....of those, 5.1% of cases are considered severe. One in five of those severe cases is fatal. For those keeping track, that’s 0.2% of the population in ontario that has already experienced severe complications requiring hospitalization. 0.068% of the population has died of COVID. All numbers readily available on https://www.publichealthontario.ca/...a-surveillance/covid-19-data-tool?tab=summary

so what’s the point?

the point is that the government will have an exceptionally tough time enforcing these mandates given the current data trends. Either the ”vaccine” needs to start working a whole lot better, or the virus needs to start getting a whole lot worse. Because any statistical analysis Will punch legal holes in the government’s opinion.

the vaccine does actually significantly reduce the risk of getting infected and transmitting the virus. It is not 100% effective at this tho (no vaccine is). The notion that it does not affect infection or transmission risk is misinformation spread by the antivaxx movement.

 

[drewstar]

We've had mandatory vaccines for decades. You can't send a kid to school without getting a bunch of vaccines. In many ways, vaccines are the price of admission to society. Not all vaccines work on all people, but if enough have the shot, diseases are not passed on. The anti-vaxx movement has seen a return of mumps and measles, things that were nearly eradicated. If these idiots were back in the 50s, we'd probably still have polio.

Chris Sky and all his followers were wrong back when they protested masks and lockdowns, they are wrong here. All their arguments against taking the vaccine are flawed, and it will result in a lot of them dying (or killing) people needlessly. They will table the virus to mutate into new variants. They're pushing this into a multi-year pandemic instead of something we could have had a handle on by now.

theyve been spot on the entire way. Thats called being a pr The other true vaccines were much more effective with long term side effects studied over many years.

the current one is a one size fits all approach -oh and youre blackmailed with your ability to earn a living…FOR YOUR SAFETY.

theres a bigger agenda at play here for anyone who can think critically. Those who think this is about public health? Easier to fool someone than convince them theyve been fooled.

 

[silentkisser]

theyve been spot on the entire way. Thats called being a pr The other true vaccines were much more effective with long term side effects studied over many years.

the current one is a one size fits all approach -oh and youre blackmailed with your ability to earn a living…FOR YOUR SAFETY.

theres a bigger agenda at play here for anyone who can think critically. Those who think this is about public health? Easier to fool someone than convince them theyve been fooled.

OK, get your tin foil hat on my friend. There is no other agenda. You think the hospitals being filled with COVID cases are fake? All the dead? This line of thinking comes from far right places on the internet. And you just showed that critical thinking is not your friend.

Conspiracy theories are usually complex answers for simple truths. For 9/11 its that a bunch of muslims couldn't possible plan such an amazingly terrible plot and kill 3,000 Americans. It had to be an inside job with THOUSANDS of people operating in secret. It's as far fetched as the government locking us down to impose some kind of nebulous agenda. Imagine for a second if this was true. You don't think something like that would leak? You're talking about thousand of people working on something like this. It's utterly ridiculous.

 

[passingthru]

the vaccine does actually significantly reduce the risk of getting infected and transmitting the virus. It is not 100% effective at this tho (no vaccine is). The notion that it does not affect infection or transmission risk is misinformation spread by the antivaxx movement.

I’m supposing that you haven’t read any of the links I’ve provided in this post. Most “conventional” vaccines DO actually prevent infection and spread of affected disease - polio, rubella, smallpox, etc are great examples.

Flu shots are hit or miss depending on dominant strain and seasonal mutation.

This article breaks it down some more:

How do vaccinated people spread Delta? What the science says

Emerging data suggest that Delta could spread more readily than other coronavirus variants among people vaccinated against COVID-19. But key questions remain.

www.nature.com

This isn’t anti-vaxxer talk. I have been clear in my posts that the vaccines DO work to reduce the likeliness of severe illness. However, to think that the vaccines are our ticket out of this mess is foolish at best. The numbers don’t support this.

 

[passingthru]

Name one successful lawsuit won in Canada by the dumbasses proclaiming the Charter of Rights? Name one, during the lockdown and now during the vaccine campaign. Go ahead, I'll wait.

Are you suggesting that any of these have yet been heard in a court? Even many of the proceedings for charges under the Reopening Ontario Act have been remanded due to “court backlogs” and “evidentiary considerations”.

Regarding unions that are threatening legal action over modifications to CBA’s, I haven’t seen any that are submitted to the courts as of yet, but I do know of two employers that have already backed down from vaccine mandates after being challenged by representative unions. In those cases a duty to accommodate has been devised as an option for those members whohave chosen not to disclose vaccination status.

 

[massman]

I’m supposing that you haven’t read any of the links I’ve provided in this post. Most “conventional” vaccines DO actually prevent infection and spread of affected disease - polio, rubella, smallpox, etc are great examples.

Flu shots are hit or miss depending on dominant strain and seasonal mutation.

This article breaks it down some more:

How do vaccinated people spread Delta? What the science says

Emerging data suggest that Delta could spread more readily than other coronavirus variants among people vaccinated against COVID-19. But key questions remain.

www.nature.com

This isn’t anti-vaxxer talk. I have been clear in my posts that the vaccines DO work to reduce the likeliness of severe illness. However, to think that the vaccines are our ticket out of this mess is foolish at best. The numbers don’t support this.

I did read the links and am well aware of these ideas prior to this conversation. The reason that larger numbers of cases are seen in vaccinated people is because most of the people in those places are vaccinated! As for viral levels, you need to look at culturable (“live”) virus. Not just viral RNA. I’m also aware that there are vaccines that are excellent at preventing infection and transmission. Though for all the ones you quote, there is uptake of the shots by nearly the whole population, an important factor in eliminating a viral threat to the population by vaccines.

There is very good observational (eg from household transmission studies) evidence that the covid vaccines break chains of transmission preventing (symptomatic or asymptomatic) infection, and in the few vaccinated that do get infected, they tend to transmit less because of lower levels of “live” virus and shorter duration of illness/ viral shedding.
Is delta (compared to other variants) easier to get / transmit if you have been vaccinated? Probably, but still there is good evidence that even against delta, infection and transmission are reduced by covid vaccines.
I never said you are an antiVaxxer, but the notion that covid vaccines don’t prevent infection or transmission is false and used by the antivax crowd to further sow doubt about the vaccines.

 

[mandrill]

What is an ultinate victory? Is this the language of dumbass or some secret loon code??

He is not a pureblood human. He is part goblin. Thus, the small size and large teeth.

 

[mandrill]

The question than moves onto practical long-term efficacy - especially with variant mutations. It’s no question that there’s no simple solution right now, and it would be foolish of any government to want to jump in front of the train (so to speak) with anything beyond “regulation”.

as is, the province is potentially facing lawsuits over vaccine mandates amongst unionized workers as the provisions being enacted weren’t part of previous CBA.

Federal judges: NYC can impose vaccine mandate on teachers

Lawyers for teachers who don't want New York City schools to impose a vaccine mandate for them and other workers say they will ask the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene.

apnews.com

You lost.

 

[Anbarandy]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442495342742700039

Fark!!!!

 

[basketcase]

...The other true vaccines were much more effective with long term side effects studied over many years.
...

Or that's what someone posted online.

A choice based on safety between the 1970's flu vaccine and the current mRNA vaccines is an easy call.

 

[basketcase]

I’m supposing that you haven’t read any of the links I’ve provided in this post. Most “conventional” vaccines DO actually prevent infection and spread of affected disease - polio, rubella, smallpox, etc are great examples.
...

Sorry but dead wrong.

Those vaccines still had breakthrough cases and were not 100% effective. The reason those diseases were essentially eradicated is herd immunity because the vast majority of people were vaccinated. Thanks to internet researchers (otherwise known as bots), we won't reach anywhere near the same level of vaccination with this one.