Chow: Campaign promise broken

[Frankfooter]

DoFo actually wanted to build housing and you didn't want him to, and now are blaming him for the housing crisis.

Why don't you pick what you want and stick with it rather than flip-flopping.

Needless to say DoFo could cure cancer and you would still hate him for not curing the common cold.

Your rage is misplaced.

BTW Tell us who was premier when the Eglinton LRT was planned, funded and started.

Nice line, the Greenbelt would have taken good agricultural land, made it into housing with massive development fees for cities but mostly made massive profits for DoFo's wedding guests even before any houses were built. $8 billion scandal, biggest in Canadian history and here you are championing it.

The Eglington line would have been part of Miller's transit city, which would have been bigger and fully funded by the province, not to mention complete by now. DoFo took over Metrolinx and its been a shit show since.

You gonna champion his crackhead brother's subway and the property tax to fund it too?

 

[Skoob]

Nice line, the Greenbelt would have taken good agricultural land, made it into housing with massive development fees for cities but mostly made massive profits for DoFo's wedding guests even before any houses were built. $8 billion scandal, biggest in Canadian history and here you are championing it.

The Eglington line would have been part of Miller's transit city, which would have been bigger and fully funded by the province, not to mention complete by now. DoFo took over Metrolinx and its been a shit show since.

You gonna champion his crackhead brother's subway and the property tax to fund it too?

Can't answer the questions? Too real?
You better get back to watching Netflix...

 

[Anbarandy]

DoFo actually wanted to build housing and you didn't want him to, and now are blaming him for the housing crisis.

DoFo actually didn't want to build housing, evidenced by his following housing flops:

1) Burying deep into the fertile Greenbelt soil all that alleged land for housing that he removed from the Greenbelt along with the appropriate legislation to basically render it sacrosanct.

2) Putting all that alleged land for housing that he "freed up for his developer puppet masters" through his unilateral expansion of urban boundaries back into it's zoned non-residential lands.

3) Putting back a whack of obscene developer induced MZOs that did not have the support of nor followed the planning policies of local municipal regional governments and the citizens of those municipal and regional governments back into their hands.

Now if he really wanted to allegedly actually build housing as you and he claim, he would not have done any of the above and he would have not wasted so much time and $$$ on his scatterbrained, corrupt housing scams as detailed above and actually worked within the bounds of the legal guard rails in conjunction with other civic, regional partners and regulatory agencies and legislation.

But he did none of that. All he has done is try to scam the people of the province to enrich his developer puppet masters under the guise of, "Folks, folks, folks .... housing, housing housing!"

 

[Skoob]

DoFo actually didn't want to build housing, evidenced by his following housing flops:

1) Burying deep into the fertile Greenbelt soil all that alleged land for housing that he removed from the Greenbelt along with the appropriate legislation to basically render it sacrosanct.

2) Putting all that alleged land for housing that he "freed up for his developer puppet masters" through his unilateral expansion of urban boundaries back into it's zoned non-residential lands.

3) Putting back a whack of obscene developer induced MZOs that did not have the support of nor followed the planning policies of local municipal regional governments and the citizens of those municipal and regional governments back into their hands.

Now if he really wanted to allegedly actually build housing as you and he claim, he would not have done any of the above and he would have not wasted so much time and $$$ on his scatterbrained, corrupt housing scams as detailed above and actually worked within the bounds of the legal guard rails in conjunction with other civic, regional partners and regulatory agencies and legislation.

But he did none of that. All he has done is try to scam the people of the province to enrich his developer puppet masters under the guise of, "Folks, folks, folks .... housing, housing housing!"

0.3% of greenbelt land which was replaced with more greenbelt land.
You think no housing was going to be built there?
You don't think any developers should make profit for building housing?

Like I've said before...you hate DoFo...he could cure cancer and you would blame him for not curing the common cold.

ps we still have a housing crisis because people like you want to keep cutting their noses to spite their faces while not offering any viable solutions.

 

[Frankfooter]

Can't answer the questions? Too real?
You better get back to watching Netflix...

Yes, I can answer questions. See, just did.
No, its not too real.

DoFo is both incredibly corrupt and inept, he's giving away money to donors and cutting health care and education, not building housing and still screwing with the deficit. Everything he touches he breaks.

 

[Frankfooter]

0.3% of greenbelt land which was replaced with more greenbelt land.
You think no housing was going to be built there?
You don't think any developers should make profit for building housing?

Like I've said before...you hate DoFo...he could cure cancer and you would blame him for not curing the common cold.

ps we still have a housing crisis because people like you want to keep cutting their noses to spite their faces while not offering any viable solutions.

Ontario's auditor said there was better land for housing elsewhere without building on our limited farmland.
Developers will make money wherever, they just wanted an easy $8 billion just for buying land you can't sell, paying of DoFo through his daughter and then cashing in on the profits.

Why would anyone defend such blatant corruption and bad policy?

 

[Skoob]

Yes, I can answer questions. See, just did.
No, its not too real.

DoFo is both incredibly corrupt and inept, he's giving away money to donors and cutting health care and education, not building housing and still screwing with the deficit. Everything he touches he breaks.

You have an issue with which developers were going to get the contracts or that any developer would have won the contacts? Seems to me that's a moot point since you don't want development to happen at all.
No provincial government has put more into education and health care as the current Conservative government. You know that. You're not looking at the overall picture, you're just cherry picking which services are reduced vs funded.

They tried to build housing, people like you stopped them. You reap what you sew. Accept that. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Skoob]

Ontario's auditor said there was better land for housing elsewhere without building on our limited farmland.
Developers will make money wherever, they just wanted an easy $8 billion just for buying land you can't sell, paying of DoFo through his daughter and then cashing in on the profits.

Why would anyone defend such blatant corruption and bad policy?

The auditor general is not a housing expert. No one wants to live 3 hours outside of the GTA. Sure you can build there but no one would want it. People want to live reasonably close to the city without having to commute 6 hours every day.

Developers already owned the land. Liberals designated it greenbelt. They purchased that land long before that as an investment to build housing.

ps people like you cry about a housing crisis yet complain when someone wants to build housing. The real source of your rage is that you just don't like DoFo. Period.

 

[Frankfooter]

You have an issue with which developers were going to get the contracts or that any developer would have won the contacts? Seems to me that's a moot point since you don't want development to happen at all.
No provincial government has put more into education and health care as the current Conservative government. You know that. You're not looking at the overall picture, you're just cherry picking which services are reduced vs funded.

They tried to build housing, people like you stopped them. You reap what you sew. Accept that. You can't have it both ways.

I have issue with bad development choices, like more suburban sprawl.
I have issue with insiders paying off the government to make extra cash making poor development choices.

The city of toronto is building houses wisely, as are the feds now.
They both had to bypass DoFo and his wedding party to get it done properly.

 

[Frankfooter]

The auditor general is not a housing expert. No one wants to live 3 hours outside of the GTA.

How far were these Greenbelt parcels?
2 hours?

The auditor general just checks for fraud, she found it.
Which is why the RCMP is looking at DoFo.

 

[Skoob]

I have issue with bad development choices, like more suburban sprawl.
I have issue with insiders paying off the government to make extra cash making poor development choices.

The city of toronto is building houses wisely, as are the feds now.
They both had to bypass DoFo and his wedding party to get it done properly.

Bad development choices? You mean development that's not in downtown Toronto?
Chow and Trudeau will build nothing. You know that. You are being played.

ps we still have a housing crisis because downtowners like you hindering progress.

 

[Skoob]

How far were these Greenbelt parcels?
2 hours?

The auditor general just checks for fraud, she found it.
Which is why the RCMP is looking at DoFo.

Not everyone can or wants to live downtown.
Not everyone can afford a home and that's based mainly on supply & demand driving up pricess.
Not everyone can afford a mortgage because the Feds have fucked up the deficit that have raised interest rates.
RCMP will find nothing because nothing illegal transpired. It's a headline grabber to appease people like you.

ps we still have a housing crisis. Do you want more housing built or not?

 

[Butler1000]

Not everyone can or wants to live downtown.
Not everyone can afford a home and that's based mainly on supply & demand driving up pricess.
Not everyone can afford a mortgage because the Feds have fucked up the deficit that have raised interest rates.
RCMP will find nothing because nothing illegal transpired. It's a headline grabber to appease people like you.

ps we still have a housing crisis. Do you want more housing built or not?

Part of the problem is what they are building. Its either condos or high end houses. There are no more two bedroom starter homes at reasonable prices being built. To be able to build equity. And probably wont be again.

I think the solution may be tiny homes. Zone in say one every so many houses on a 40 foot frontage 120 lot. And divide it into 6 20×40 lots. Common driveway in. 1 bedroom 15×20 homes with parking pad and some garden area. At present prices you could create alot of them. And get people into the market. And people get to own land.

 

[Skoob]

Part of the problem is what they are building. Its either condos or high end houses. There are no more two bedroom starter homes at reasonable prices being built. To be able to build equity. And probably wont be again.

I think the solution may be tiny homes. Zone in say one every so many houses on a 40 foot frontage 120 lot. And divide it into 6 20×40 lots. Common driveway in. 1 bedroom 15×20 homes with parking pad and some garden area. At present prices you could create alot of them. And get people into the market. And people get to own land.

Any new development I have seen includes varying types of housing such as detached, semi-detached and townhouse-type complexes. There is no room for any of these downtown.
Condos have taken over downtown which may work for some people but not everyone wants to live in a condo building. It also contributes to congestion and over-crowding.
The city has grown and people need to live reasonably close to it.
Taking .3% of greenbelt and designating other land as greenbelt would have created the space to build more housing without being too far from the city.

Most people opposed to that don't even know where the greenbelt is...they just don't like DoFo and could care less about land outside of the city.

 

[Butler1000]

Any new development I have seen includes varying types of housing such as detached, semi-detached and townhouse-type complexes. There is no room for any of these downtown.
Condos have taken over downtown which may work for some people but not everyone wants to live in a condo building. It also contributes to congestion and over-crowding.
The city has grown and people need to live reasonably close to it.
Taking .3% of greenbelt and designating other land as greenbelt would have created the space to build more housing without being too far from the city.

Most people opposed to that don't even know where the greenbelt is...they just don't like DoFo and could care less about land outside of the city.

The problem is still starter homes. The developers would have built 60' wide lots with 4000 sq ft homes on them. Its what they do. With expensive finishes etc. What is needed is literally half the size. And any new developments need to be specifically zoned as such.

After WW2 thats what they did.

 

[Skoob]

The problem is still starter homes. The developers would have built 60' wide lots with 4000 sq ft homes on them. Its what they do. With expensive finishes etc. What is needed is literally half the size. And any new developments need to be specifically zoned as such.

After WW2 thats what they did.

I somewhat agree, but it needs to start somewhere. Even building larger homes requires complimenting infrastructure to be built, ie sewers, roads, schools, retail, etc. Once that's there then additional housing can be built and developers usually build with that in mind.
In this particular case, the developers were going to build mixed housing. 30,000 units of varying sizes.

The goal is supply.

For example, someone in the city would want a larger or newer home, they would sell the one they have. This would increase the supply especially in the city. With increased supply, the prices would drop. Then someone who wants to live in the city could afford to buy something.
That's just one example.

But now we have nothing except for a continued housing crisis.

 

[Anbarandy]

Any new development I have seen includes varying types of housing such as detached, semi-detached and townhouse-type complexes. There is no room for any of these downtown.
Condos have taken over downtown which may work for some people but not everyone wants to live in a condo building. It also contributes to congestion and over-crowding.
The city has grown and people need to live reasonably close to it.
Taking .3% of greenbelt and designating other land as greenbelt would have created the space to build more housing without being too far from the city.

Most people opposed to that don't even know where the greenbelt is...they just don't like DoFo and could care less about land outside of the city.

Stuck in the latter half of the 20th century with nary a clue to what has actually happened to housing in the 21st century.

There have been 3 main drivers of "housing unaffordability and availability" both for ownership and for rental in this century.

1) The monetization of housing as basically just another asset class.
2) Low and extremely low interest/mortgage rates.
3) The dismantling of any type of an effective rental control regime.

In addition to the above:

4) Extremely high immigration and temporary student visa immigration.

What you are speaking above in your above quoted post is from a time and place that no longer exists.

- Condos have provided the bulk of housing, mostly rental housing, since the great recession.
- New condo sales are lapped up by investors. 80% of new condo sales are scooped up by investors now. Investors dictate what builders will build.
- 50% of condos are now owned by investors.
- Builders are building tiny condos because that is what investors want and investors control the market.

There was never any viable plan to build homes in the greenbelt which would have required a decade and mountains of public $$$ to service the alleged greenbelt housing plan. And considering that DoFo stated shovels had to be in the ground by the end of 2025 just evidences there really was no greenbelt housing plan that would actually build housing.

You are living in the past.

 

[Skoob]

Stuck in the latter half of the 20th century with nary a clue to what has actually happened to housing in the 21st century.

There have been 3 main drivers of "housing unaffordability and availability" both for ownership and for rental in this century.

1) The monetization of housing as basically just another asset class.
2) Low and extremely low interest/mortgage rates.
3) The dismantling of any type of an effective rental control regime.

In addition to the above:

4) Extremely high immigration and temporary student visa immigration.

What you are speaking above in your above quoted post is from a time and place that no longer exists.

- Condos have provided the bulk of housing, mostly rental housing, since the great recession.
- New condo sales are lapped up by investors. 80% of new condo sales are scooped up by investors now. Investors dictate what builders will build.
- 50% of condos are now owned by investors.
- Builders are building tiny condos because that is what investors want and investors control the market.

There was never any viable plan to build homes in the greenbelt which would have required a decade and mountains of public $$$ to service the alleged greenbelt housing plan. And considering that DoFo stated shovels had to be in the ground by the end of 2025 just evidences there really was no greenbelt housing plan that would actually build housing.

You are living in the past.

You are out of touch as to why no one can afford a home...here's a great explanation...if you disagree with any of the points made please share your thoughts...money printing by our federal government has contributed significantly among other things...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1730987690818977887

 

[Frankfooter]

Bad development choices? You mean development that's not in downtown Toronto?
Chow and Trudeau will build nothing. You know that. You are being played.

ps we still have a housing crisis because downtowners like you hindering progress.

Urban sprawl and cookie cutter housing developments are the worst possible choices for resources, land and lifestyle.
You need to try a 15 minute city.

 

[Frankfooter]

Not everyone can or wants to live downtown.
Not everyone can afford a home and that's based mainly on supply & demand driving up pricess.
Not everyone can afford a mortgage because the Feds have fucked up the deficit that have raised interest rates.
RCMP will find nothing because nothing illegal transpired. It's a headline grabber to appease people like you.

ps we still have a housing crisis. Do you want more housing built or not?

Global issues.

The answer is tax the rich, pay people more and put more rules on developers.
All you're going to do is let DoFo and his buddies cash in on developments that don't get built.

Randall Denley: The Greenbelt bungle spooks Doug Ford into abandoning his entire housing plan

Latest reversal removes more than 11,000 hectares around Toronto for development, far greater than Ford's foray into Greenbelt development.

nationalpost.com